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 No.133288

I always hear how shit everyone's joints are. I can relate sometimes, but I've mostly psyched myself out and have only had joint problems since I begun fearing old age and regretting my life in old age (due to my young and rash way of using my body). I've begun reversing that, but a serious look at strengthening the joints is necessary to de-neutre our joint balls and go be badass again. "oooh my joints" is something I wish were extinct.

Related: Planning in depth and detail a 30 year plan for my life that involved a large amount of physical, emotional and mental strength, endurance, durability, flexibility and agility (in the plan) had me tensing my whole body and increasing joint tightness/contraction (vs loose pussy joints), and increasing all of my attributes in preparation (as were relevant that is). Just by planning it out and taking it sincerely my body started preparing. I think our short sightedness is what makes us crumble. Having a long hard road ahead is necessary, not an option. When we give up, we go limp. Ever notice that? That limpness is deadly to our joints. We're signaling our body to stop moving… so the mobilizing joints stop trying.

So for the mind side of it, have a long road of decision making, master planning, leadership, building up and overcoming ahead of you. All that movement ahead of you preps the body ahead of time. Expecting combat is a good idea too.

On the body side, I would squat into a slav chair and tense my joints (including SI Joint) while stretching out slightly for wiggle room by increasing internal pressure and expanding, NOT by relaxing. I stayed firm and tense and felt like and I could see yellow fire erupting from my body in the periphery of my vision (mind's eye I guess, I was doing some visualization for the planning). It was all about building internal pressure, power, energy and fortitude (durability). "oooh relaaax you'll wear yourself out" <- never listen to an old, weak, or slow person about how to live EVER. "ooh tendinitis" <- Your joints are loose; you don't active-stretch so you don't know how to engage your muscles near the end of your range of movement – try doing a front back split and holding yourself up by your legs while keeping your legs and body straight, and you'll realize quickly that you can fuck your joints up if you don't focus and do it properly.

Gymnasts have the strongest joints out there. They perform straight arm movements for endurance and strength, for christ' sake. From their joint's perspective, they're 'living on the edge', the edge of glory. You don't learn how to fight destructive forces from the safety of your home, do you? So you have to properly train your body in THE DANGER ZONE. For the lower body, holding up splits is good, and glute ham raises or holds and quad raises or holds (progressively).

As well, it's about balancing the load on opposite sides of the limb. If you do push ups, you want to engage the biceps and shoulders, rather than focusing on the triceps. If you focus on the triceps, you want to engage the lats, rear delts, teres major, traps, and core more. People who don't do very high reps will often have the focus and intensity but not the experience necessary to balance these things out. When you perform very high reps, your body identifies imbalances in the first hundreds of reps, and then fixes them in the next hundreds. The stronger you are, perhaps the shorter this period is, I don't know. The body should act all together, not separately. Isolating things all the time (already a habit of the mind, which bleeds into bodily behavior) will fuck up your joints, unless you already have very strong joints that you workout more full-body or limb otherwise.

When running, don't run where your flesh flops up and down like you're some heavy fat giant jiggling across the plains. You want to be 'tiny' and compact. No flesh should be jiggling or going up and down. Only your hair (shave your head). You should look the same moving as when stationary, in other words. Otherwise, you're just falling onto your joints heavy and clumsy like a baffoon trying to explode their knees as quickly as possible. Even if you're 200 lbs, run as light and controlled as possible. Anything else is lazy and dangerous. You basically want fixed joints, supple strong muscle; though the stronger and more fixed the joints, perhaps the harder and denser the muscles will be.

Thoughts on joint strengthening?

 No.133289

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>>133288

A note on points of contact:

Your joints should transfer kinetic energy through multiple points around the joint. Not just the patella for the knee or the inner knee (god forbid the inner knee), but all around it, at multiple points of connected compact contact. As well, you should be running and moving with the least contact with the ground or training equipment. The world shouldn't sink into you, in other words. Don't think too progressively or incremental about this either, you have to change your entire technique to do this. Forces should be transferred by the outside of the body, not the soft inner bits.

Thoughts?


 No.133290

>>133288

Correction: Time exercising more important than reps. Time under tension.


 No.133308

Joints spontaneously heal themselves when hormones are in the right balance.


 No.133521

Anyone ever have joints that hurt, and then pound them more/harder and have them feel/be better?


 No.133522

>>133521

That happens because blood starts flowing in them again. There's no need to "pound them"; the pounding doesn't do anything. Just get a pump. The pump heals because your joints are starving for blood carrying nutrition. Sometimes you can just eat better in general and the joints will feel better in spite of the poor blood flow.


 No.133524

>>133522

Hormones as well, as another anon said. So if you have a strong fighting spirit, your body will release more androgenic hormones and tissues will regenerate.


 No.133525

>>133288

>joints

checked dude, i love weed as well


 No.133530

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


 No.133534

>>133530

Growth hormone is implicated in joint diseases.

http://www.semarthritisrheumatism.com/article/S0049-0172(05)00047-8/abstract

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0009898106004116

causes edema of tissues.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1826008

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2040040

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2752558

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8061766

and accelerates aging.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14583653

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/6/e1602025.full

and increases damage caused by endotoxin.

http://www.annclinlabsci.org/content/32/2/164.short

While thyroid hormones have long been known to reverse edema.

https://academic.oup.com/jcem/article-abstract/15/3/285/2718959

http://www.jns-journal.com/article/S0022-510X(15)00252-X/abstract

And T3 (the active thyroid hormone) has been shown to accelerate healing.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014488675902241

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1600-0560.1974.tb00201.x/full

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/145/5/2357/2878224

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/146/10/4425/2500045

And thyroid dysfunction is found in rheumatoid arthritis and other joint issues.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/08916930701620100

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0002934375904635

And T3 causes hypertrophy and strengthening of cartilage.

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0072973

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0940299317302609


 No.133536

>>133534

First Study

>We propose that serum GH, IGF-1, and somatostatin levels be monitored on a longitudinal basis during the course of medical therapy of rheumatic diseases to determine the extent to which changes in clinical symptoms (exemplified by reduced pain and inflammation and improved range of joint motion) are accompanied by changes in the basal concentration of these hypothalamic/pituitary-related hormones.

>We propose that serum GH, IGF-1, and somatostatin levels be monitored

There is not a single word about GH being bad.

Second Study shows only the abstract if you don't pay for it, but there too is not a single word about GH being the bad guy. If you put so much effort into selecting your stuied I won't bother to read the other 15 that you certainly haven't read either.


 No.133613

>>133536

>There is not a single word about GH being bad.

This is wrong. Quote from the abstract:

<A review of the literature supports the view that hypothalamic-pituitary axis dysfunction accompanies clinical symptoms in many rheumatic diseases. In studies from our laboratory, serum GH levels were elevated in patients with OA, rheumatoid arthritis (RA), fibromyalgia, and diffuse idiopathic skeletal hyperostosis

>there too is not a single word about GH being the bad guy.

This is also wrong. Quote from the abstract:

<In addition, GH has also been implicated in perpetuating inflammation and pain in adult RA.

Though I suppose by "implication" they could have meant inverse correlation. I wouldn't know unless I read the whole paper.

You're missing the point however. Those are both reviews—not experimental studies—and they are not meant to be damning evidence in themselves. So I posted many other studies to give you a broader overview of GH—not necessarily to demonize GH—but rather to question any sort of fixation on that one particular hormone for the specific purpose of healing the joints.

It is easy to imagine GH as an essential hormone for growth and development, but there comes a point when it must be decided if healing and rejuvenation comes from stimulating cell reproduction or if it comes from feeding and energizing the cells and tissues you already have. At what point do we decide that it is better to keep cells alive and young for as long as possible instead of constantly turning over the old and weak? If the strategy is to always scrap the old and weak, then cells may never reach their potential for strength and vitality—opting to focus on how they may create the next generation instead of doing their jobs here and now. After maximal height is achieved and adulthood is reached, how much growth hormone is needed? A little or a lot? The problems with a lot are known (such as acromegaly and giantism) so where are the virtues, and are those virtues better than the virtues of other strategies (higher T3)?


 No.133614

>>133536

Accelerated aging seemed true. Not all "growth hormones" were created equal however.

>>133613

Should I have all the bones in my body broken to gain 6 inches? Is the gap year worth it?


 No.133616

>>133613

>In studies from our laboratory, serum GH levels were elevated in patients with OA, rheumatoid arthritis (RA), fibromyalgia, and diffuse idiopathic skeletal hyperostosis

I just want to reiterate and be explicit that I was not necessarily suggesting that such a correlation automatically revealed a mechanistic causation. The broad overview from many studies is the point being conveyed.




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