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 No.22491>>22496 >>22512 [Watch Thread][Show All Posts]

Problems with taking pharmaceutical drugs, illegal drugs, or drinking to "feel better"

>Focusing on false happiness gained by becoming intoxicated makes you even more depressed in the long run because you become sick with the dishonesty and artificiality of it all

>Using fake happiness as an opportunity to create true meaning to give you the strength to crawl out of a pit of depression is like taking illegal steroids to get big muscles.

If you need to be drugged to find some kind of meaning, That's evidence that you couldn't find any meaning in the first place. (Which is why you are depressed) You're not broken. You're being honest with yourself about the fact that the world around you is broken. Bad environment-Bad feelings. Naturally! If you are depressed, you are having a healthy reaction to an unhealthy world. It's not your fault. The world is just a bad place full of bad people. You probably feel bad, because you are a good person in a bad place. You are better than everyone else because you actually realized what was going on. You observed the world around you and came to the conclusion that it's a bad place faster than everyone else. You are a good seed that can't grow into a good tree because you are in bad soil. Pushing pills on depressed people is like throwing the night watchman in jail for spotting a burglar or yelling at the canary in the coal mine for getting poisoned by the gas. It's literal victim blaming. People are being treated as the main criminals in the cause of their own depression and thrown under the bus and ignored. Nobody seems to take all of these sad people as a warning flag for the state wellbeing of not just their country, but of the whole world. If all these people are so sad and miserable, there must be a very big reason. The world we live in is sick, and depressed people (among the many other people with other problems) are just a symptom. So yet again, the pharmaceutical companies are perpetually treating the symptom of the disease for endless profit, and nobody cares to find the root causes of the problems we all face. Nobody wants to make a cure.

What's the difference between a person on antidepressants and a meth addict?

The meth addict admits the world around them is bad

Tell me something- If taking drugs and antidepressants doesn't actually make the world around you become a better place, Is it actually making your own self a worse place so that you don't notice the difference anymore?

People don't take drugs or drink to make their problems go away, People take drugs or drink so that they can forget and lie to themselves about the problems they can't fix.

 No.22495>>22497

I'm too tired to write a thoughtful response but mostly this is what I have been thinking all day. Being sad, angry, and confused perpetually isn't necessarily a condition of sickness; we are reflecting on all of the terrible shit going on in the world, and fundamentally our anger is healthy. Opportunists want to push this identity of sickness onto us to solicit our entire lives as consumers of pharmaceuticals. If we can be convinced that anger is unhealthy, then we can be controlled and capitalized upon.


 No.22496

>>22491 (OP)

>illegal drugs

Daily reminder that they are considered illegal only because piece of paper says so and only because power structure couldn't find to this very day way how to profit from them. Weed is first step. Also masters need their slaves able to work.

>drinking to "feel better"

Many people drink because they want to, not because it's form of escapism.

>If you need to be drugged to find some kind of meaning, That's evidence that you couldn't find any meaning in the first place.

True, however I might add to end of that sentence words "meaning in this ordinary existence". Some people claim the world on drugs is something external, very real, something better. I would compare it to spiritualism, however your thought is correct. I don't know, I like to struggle in reality sometimes, when I get too comfortable - that makes me uncomfortable and really bored. Just tiny paradox.

>The meth addict admits the world around them is bad

Not always but I get what you are trying to say here and you are maybe not wrong. However why people seek medical treatment is because often they know something is wrong and they want to solve it. In both instances you have people who wish to solve something, first group focuses on perception of world, second group is searching for source of the problem in themselves.

>Is it actually making your own self a worse place so that you don't notice the difference anymore?

I would have better question - what is there, not only more important, but THE only important factor? It's you as subjective observer of reality, nothing else matters really. Thus altering your own perception of reality is 'justifiable' (I hate this word), whether that might be with drugs, meds or even self-suggestion, meditation, ideology, flat out open lies, lies on subconscious level etc. In most of these cases, even if you don't take drugs for obvious reason - "hey lemme get stoned cuz world sucks dude", your brain has naturally built in coping mechanisms. This is the reason why I even as an egoist don't really blame people for being spooked by external or internal influences, because I can understand why it is happening. Now the question if it isn't better to "stay sober" from all of that crap, I genuinely have no answer and I leave it up to individuals to solve it with themselves.

Here's theory: If the problem is truly unfixable, the only logical conclusion, which is most effective (literally meant as time/effort) at the same time, is to stop solving it. If I have problem to count 2+2, I'm going to leave that problem as unsolved. The trouble is that majority of people find peace in solved events, they like when "case is closed", and if you escape from the problem, it might appear to you as if the problem is not even your problem anymore, however the cost you might pay for it can be high (health, etc.). Again I say, I'm no life coach to tell people how they should solve their individual problems - especially problems I never experienced. I leave it up to them, I like to give this freedom to them.


 No.22497>>22516

>>22495

>If we can be convinced that anger is unhealthy, then we can be controlled and capitalized upon.

Isn't anger precisely an emotion which has tendency as any other emotion to control your life? I'm not defending shitmeds here at all, I'm just asking if we are being honest about being controlled.


 No.22499

I was only drugged because I have "disorders" and with the WHO unmarking transgenderism as a disorder what really is ordered in the first place?


 No.22512

>>22491 (OP)

There's two types of depression: nr1 caused by shitty living conditions and nr2 caused by bad genetics/.

Meds are mainly developed for the latter since swallowing pills won't solve your lifeproblems.At best, they provide some relief of symptoms. Truth is though that the majority of depressed people suffer from the former type, hence the wide range of effectiveness (or lack thereof) of these meds.

There's really nothing the pharma shills can produce that'll solve your problems but since you're technically having the same illness as the type 2 depression, you might aswell swallow them pills, goy


 No.22516>>22529

>>22497

>Isn't anger precisely an emotion which has tendency as any other emotion to control your life

i wouldn't say being controlled by your own emotions is the same as being controlled by pharmacutical companies and doctors but sure.


 No.22529

>>22516

Really? Because I know people who have serious emotional issues and it controls nearly every aspect of their life. Is there that huge difference? Yes, well, you can say that psychmeds are not natural, it fucks with your brain on different level but I'm focusing more on results. Even if I let out that stupid romantic for a while and mention love, I'm not really sure If I'd rather be on xanax or blindly in love, in all seriousness.


 No.22668

>You are a good seed that can't grow into a good tree because you are in bad soil.

nahh bruh your just a fagot dood just make som money and fuck bitches




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