No.973113
https://archive.fo/4O5SA
An interesting read, especially:
>So I got a call from DC, and they wanted to talk to me about Cyborg. I gave them the standard stump speech. I don’t want to be a “black writer.” When did I become a black writer? I used to be a guy who would write Spider-Man, Deadpool, and Batman. Why am I no longer qualified to write those characters? How did I get typecast from writing Black Panther of all things, when that series was never really about Black Panther. It was about the white guy, about Ross. It was narrated through his voice, and I thought I wrote a very well-constructed white character. Why are you now pigeonholing me as a guy who can only write black characters?
>I later found out that Marvel and, to a lesser extent, DC moved into a trend where they were no longer hiring writers—they were casting writers. They’re listening to chatter on Twitter insisting that only a black lesbian writer could write a black lesbian character, and that’s nonsense. A writer writes. Tom Clancy, rest his soul, could write anything. A writer writes. All of the sudden I was no longer qualified to write anybody that didn’t look like me, and I resented that. I was really polite about it and told DC thank you for calling, blah, blah, blah.
That actually fills in a few gaps about the comic industry's hiring practices.
No.973117
>>973113
Explains why Marvel got a deluge of bad talent.
It just goes to show how utterly inept the Big Two are at market research. They thought twitter opinions meant something.
No.973125
>>973113
>Be Black
>Want to get into cartoons/comics/animation
>see this
Oh fuck that noise. You want to talk about racism in comics, start with this and the fucking loud minority of twitter posters.
> Casting staff based on race
< Discrimination is good as long as it falls under POC's favor
< Yeah, you only get to write about black characters and only black characters, but a job's a job amrite? :^)
Holy shit Big Two, what are you doing?
No.973133
>>973125
I would love to see what sort of shit they would say to you if they think you're not writing the characters "black" enough.
No.973147
>>973113
Decent dude, would buy a beer.
No.973154
>>973125
They're doing exactly what Twitter asked for. Twitter wants diverse creators writing "diverse" characters. Having them write "normal" characters defeats the purpose.
Think about America for a moment. She's a lesbian Latino character. To appease Twitter, Marvel did a fucking manhunt find a lesbian Latino author to write that comic and found Gabby Rivera, who only wrote ONE book before this gig. That's just nuts.
If you expand this across Marvel's comics, it becomes clear that any successes they had were amazing flukes. Like Ms. Marvel. People can bitch about that book, but G. Willow Wilson has experience writing comics. BUT THEY DIDN'T HIRE HER FOR HER EXPERIENCE. THEY HIRED HER BECAUSE THEY WANTED A MUSLIM WRITING A MUSLIM.
WHAT THE FUCK MAN?
No.973166
>>973133
McDuffie had a comment about that.
No.973188
>They’re terrified of the Twitter-verse, but half of those people aren’t even reading your comics either. They’re reading it online or heard it somewhere or pirated it, but they’re not buying your comics. They’re getting on Twitter and you’re terrified of them and guiding your publishing program based on it. Just do good stories, well-told, and you’ll see the return on it.
I like this man, I'm gonna go read his novel.
No.973203
If you kill Twitter won't the same dumbasses just find another platform?
No.973215
>>973188 (heiled)
FINALLY
Jesus Christ, it took this long for someone to finally say it outright in public? This has to be spread, people who buy comics don't fucking want REPRESENTATION or DIVERSE WRITERS or whatever the fuck despite what those dipshits on Twitter say, they want good fucking comics.
No.973223
>>973113
>>973188
Fucking a. I doubt I'd agree with Priest on most shit, but I love this dude. He's always cut through this type of bullshit.
>Jim Shooter taught me a lot. One of the things he taught me was at a Christmas party. He was handing out gifts, and I said to him, “That was a really nice gift you gave to this person we both know can’t stand you.” Jim told me it’s not important that the guy likes me, it’s important that we keep him working here.
Jim Shooter was too good for Marvel.
No.973244
>>973203
Think Twitter's already dying; think everyone are just gonna jump to Vine or whatever.
>>973215
Pretty sure multiple people have pointed it out.
No.973247
>>973244
>Pretty sure multiple people have pointed it out.
How many of them work in comics?
No.973255
Maybe it's just that he's the first black person to say it.
No.973263
>>973255
Pretty sure there are a few black people who have said it too.
Bottom line, nobody's gonna listen to Priest or anyone else. They might even accuse him of internalised racism or some other bullshit
No.973269
>>973113
Fucking hell, I was wondering why I wasn't seeing his name these days. Dammit I liked Priest's work too.
>>973125
Hey if they can't trot you out for a con panel so you can talk about your blackness you're obviously worthless to them. May as well hire a white person in that case!
This fucking industry needs to die already so we can start from scratch.
No.973270
The 70s-80s were full of black nerds writing nerd media. What the fuck happened?
No.973272
>>973147
>decent dude
>a nigger
Kys cuck
No.973273
>>973270
Rich white liberal cronyism. You know, the loudest cunts about race? They don't live around or know anyone who isn't one of them, but they are mostly the people they hire. Some Asians, dot Indians, or well off Muzzies can make their way in, but not blacks.
No.973275
>Holy shit Big Two, what are you doing?
They're listening and giving credit to loud, obnoxious minorities who don't represent their customers. That's what they're doing. Why? I don't know, maybe for propaganda purposes, maybe to avoid bad press even if this means enfuriating their customers.
No.973276
No.973277
>>973188
>Just do good stories, well-told, and you’ll see the return on it.
That's where he's wrong. They could write the best stories ever. Hell, they could write Punisher killing all those mongrels, muslims, lesbians and spics and I still would not return to Marvel. I'm too burned for it to stick.
No.973284
>>973275
It's not minorities, it's white liberals
No.973285
>>973284
I wrote minorities but that's what I had in mind, not minorities in a ethnic sense.
No.973286
>>973275
>That's what they're doing. Why? I don't know, maybe for propaganda purposes, maybe to avoid bad press even if this means enfuriating their customers.
Because DC and Marvel are fucking retarded. Remember in the 2000s when DC came out with a Raven book and billed it as "EMO"? Remember when Marvel came out with a book based on a fucking meme?
Social media has allowed them to stream-line that retardation into the most incompetent kikery the world has ever seen.
No.973289
>>973275
They make the classic Boomer mistake of not knowing how the internet works. They think twitter is a demographic slice, that facebook is the murmuring of America in its sleep. Instead of understanding that demographic filtering has been going on since day one now each platform represents a subculture and is in no way reflective of the sensibilities and desires of the population as a whole
No.973346
>>973154
>Think about America for a moment. She's a lesbian Latino character. To appease Twitter, Marvel did a fucking manhunt find a lesbian Latino author to write that comic and found Gabby Rivera, who only wrote ONE book before this gig. That's just nuts.
You dont honestly buy this bullshit story, do you? The job was always gabbys, its naked cronyism, they just needed a pretext for hiring her and so went through this elaborate ruse, "oh, twitter's demanding this guess we gotta do it." Same thing they tried with eve ewing but she couldnt conceal her naked hatred of comics fans and spilled her spaghetti before the ink had time to dry.
No.973351
Is his Deathstroke run any good?
No.973354
>>973351
It's actually one of the few Rebirth runs I've read that I don't like. The writing makes it very unclear on the passage of time.
No.973355
>>973346
>You dont honestly buy this bullshit story, do you?
Yes, I do. It completely lines up with everything the Big Two have done for the last three decades. It's incompetent, horribly mismanaged, and painfully out of touch. It makes complete sense.
No.973391
No.973400
>>973275
>Why?
Because whites will be a minority in America by the year 20XX, so they're making the same move that the Democratic Party made politically in doubling down on brown. They want to have established characters with established arcs that represent what they see as New America. Especially for when they adapt them to movies, comics nowadays are just an IP farm. Unfortunately for them, their existing audience still exists and is responding to this bullshit by jumping ship every single month. If they were smart, they'd basically have everyone new look like some racially ambiguous mystery meat like the Rock, which is what you see all over the place in shitty movies that perform well at the box office.
No.973408
>>973400
>Unfortunately for them, their existing audience still exists and is responding to this bullshit by jumping ship every single month.
This is how you can identify the "stormy normie" when they enter a thread. They make statements that anyone with knowledge of the subject being discussed can recognize as false.
In this example, he refers to an "existing audience" in comics. The only thing that could be considered an "existing audience" in comics are the hardcore fanboys that have been slowly going extinct since the 2000's due to old age and death. No one on /co/, not even the oldest of oldfags who remembers characters like "Nameless", could be considered comics "existing audience".
No.973410
>>973113
Too little too late.
No.973422
>>973286
>1st pic
Never knew that came out in the 2000's. It reminds me of her Rebirth costume.
>>973351
I like it. It's pretty well handled.
No.973425
>>973247
Pretty sure everyone that got fired because they cost too much and/or don't hit the diversity points said it and as we all know; includes skilled minorities and women. Probably the only reason this one got reported on is because Marvel may be getting out of the game of killing themselves.
No.973427
>>973408
That's an awful lot of bullshit fluff just to call him a stormfag.
No.973430
>>973427
I seize on any opportunity to discuss the insane world of the comic book industry.
No.973436
>>973425
>Marvel may be getting out of the game of killing themselves.
Have you learned nothing in the past few years?
No.973440
>>973436
I said "may"; I won't be invested in anything they say until Cebulski shows concrete proof over a long consistent period of time.
No.973442
>>973425
>Probably the only reason this one got reported on is because Marvel may be getting out of the game of killing themselves.
Oh child. You're talking about the same company that destroyed comic distribution in the West. They're always looking for ways to kill themselves.
No.973449
>>973355
It doesn't, though. It's easy to think that everyone at Marvel and DC is an out-of-touch moron it's even easier to realize that they're actually not and are simply using the cover of identity politics to do their usual crony bullshit.
No.973485
>>973449
>It doesn't, though. It's easy to think that everyone at Marvel and DC is an out-of-touch moron it's even easier to realize that they're actually not and are simply using the cover of identity politics to do their usual corny bullshit
"Crony bullshit" in the comic industry is shit like DC keeping Eddie Berganza on staff despite a decade of sexual harassment allegations or how Bendis kept getting work from Marvel despite being reviled. It's usually shit involving the old guard.
So unless you got some sources, I'm going to say you're full of shit.
No.973493
>>973408
>Implying old-school comic book fatbeards ever live long enough to die from old age. Diabeetus, heart disease, or maybe a cerebral haemorrhage the next time they change Superman's trunks or Sonic's arms. Never old age.
No.973494
>>973485
It's also shit like DC/Marvel hiring one of their good buddies and then pretending that they are just some random fag off Twitter.
Come on, anon, you're smarter than this.
No.973507
>>973485
You do realise that a good portion of their editorial is staffed from ComicsAlliance and other, similar places?
No.973514
>>973166
Why did Mcduffie have to die again?
No.973515
>>973514
He was a black man. Black people don't generally get to be 65
No.973528
>>973507
That doesn't really hurt the other anons argument. The cunts from CA and the like would hire someone because of their race/sexuality just as easily as they would their friends.
No.973529
More proof that liberals are racist, they treat non-whites like children who need to be pandered and looked after.
No.973535
>>973529
The racism of low expectations
No.973537
>>973514
McDuffie would be OK if it weren't for his weird cuck fetish. The whole DCAU retardation where John Stewart was a human dildo and Hawkgirl was literally just DCAU Wonder Woman with a BBC fetish was apparently his idea.
No.973541
>>973537
>BBC
It's called nigger dick, anon
No.973554
You have to use the brown ink.
No.973555
>>973494
>It's also shit like DC/Marvel hiring one of their good buddies and then pretending that they are just some random fag off Twitter.
Again, do you got some fucking evidence for that or not? Because Marvel hiring some fat feminist lantinx lesbian to write a feminist lantino lesbian book makes sense if all they're doing is reading twitter comments. It's in character for these dumbasses to make decisions like that.
Seriously, the way you're going about it I'm expecting you to explain how Chemtrails factor into this.
>>973507
>editorial is staffed from ComicsAlliance
From ComicsAlliance, the only people Marvel hired are Chris Sims and Kate Leth, neither in editorial positions.
Don't start spinning conspiracy theories because you can't believe this whole thing was caused by the Big Two being massive idiots.
No.973556
>>973273
>Rich white liberal cronyism.
Jews aren't white, anon.
No.973623
>>973273
>>973556
>>973284
Hey look, its the politics obsessed autist.
No.973636
>>973286
Hit-Monkey was a meme?
No.975118
>>973125
I'm in the exact same boat, except with cartoons, animation and screenwriting I'm more of a cartoon guy than a comic guy. I want to entertain and have fun bringing my ideas to life. That's it.
No.975142
>>973244
>everyone are just gonna jump to Vine
<the literally dead platform
No.975211
>>975142
>that feel when out of touch with social media
What is it; tinder, the young people are all on these days?
No.975225
>>975211
Last time I checked, some new wannabe facebook replacement got popular for a few days, then the app turned out to be broken and the owner was a scamartist or something and it died immediately.
No.975227
>>975225
You mean Vero right? I don't know what the fuck was up with that, everyone was making an account on it but no one would say what was so special about it. Turns out nothing was special about it. Everyone was just following the trend and making one because someone else made one.
No.975228
>>975227
Everyone desperately wants to abandon facebook, twitter, and google, but no one can get shit together enough to do it and normalfags need years to catch up with current trends anyways.
No.975259
>>975228
Lainchan might yet save us. They're always working on some shit.
It's just an equation of autism v.s. weed if anything gets finished..
No.975261
>>975228
There's MINDS that's kind of a Facebook alternative.
No.975264
>>975261
Minds is already having problems with bots and the overall feel of the site is pretty awful because the largest injection of users they got came from Sargoy's little faggot brigade and a few other internet skeptic/political commentators.
No.975270
>>975264
Well thats a shame. I was having some hope for some alternatives.
No.975293
>>975211
Based off of siblings of my acquaintances, high school kids are all about snapchat nowdays.