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No.946220
You know, this trailer made me realize something about why proper detective stories will continue to be a rarity in Batman media as long as DC keeps on forcing him into the standard "superhero vs. supervillain throwdown of the week" mold.
Detective stories thrive on mystery. Batman vs. Joker or Batman vs. Riddler or Batman vs. Scarecrow Round 23157 render this almost fundamentally impossible. You effectively have to keep on coming up with new antagonists on a weekly basis with their own unique dastardly plots and scenarios to throw Batman into in order to preserve the detective element in a proper fashion.
Gotham By Gaslight is a case in point - the detective element survives by virtue of mystery about the Ripper's true identity and motives.
No.946226
Long Halloween, Dini's Detective Comics run and Black Mirror, to name a few, are Batman detective stories done right.
No.946228
Well with hush was a good way to make detective story. Then they made it muh family shit tier…..
No.946233
There were a couple of good ones in Batman: Black and White.
I still think the Denny O'Neil/Neil Adams run was the apex. With an honourable mention to O'Neil's work with Marshall Rogers and Norm Breyfogle.
No.946250
>Batman's Detective Problem
Batman was "co"created by Bill Finger, a writer with a near limitless love of trivia. He kept journals where he cataloged all the interesting bits of information he came across. Nothing was too mundane or pointless to escape his notice. He then used all that trivia to write fun Batman stories.
Considering that from the eighties onward, the caliber of talent involved in cape comics has declined, then it's no wonder Batman's detective abilities, which relied heavily on trivia, also declined. Modern writers simply aren't nearly as well read as Bill Finger was, nor do they see the use of even the smallest bit of trivia. The result is Batman reduced to plots that are easy to write and lack any real detective work.
No.946254
Batman's detective skills are represented by making him BatGod who can beat all theJustice League and blackmail Darkseid and rival Lex Luthor in science stuff.
No.946255
>>946250
Its the Sherlock problem. Sherlock holmes whilst an impossible badass, would always list how he solved the thing.
Now the modern Sherlock from BBC just tells you how awesome he is.
No.946314
>>946233
>I still think the Denny O'Neil/Neil Adams run was the apex.
100% agreed.
No.946346
>>946220
Are they going to portrait Jack the Ripper as the kike he was or are they going to make him a white man?
No.946369
But if batman is going to do actual detective shit instead of doing it off screen or having the batcomputer do it for him it's going to take away time from edgy brooding and kung fu shenanigans
No.946377
>>946226
It's pathetic what passes for trolling for these days.
No.946406
>>946255
God the BBC Sherlock is so shit with that. I remember this one time where Sherlock got information the audience didn't have and solved the mystery off-screen.
Writing a good mystery requires autistic attention to detail, something very few people have naturally and almost nobody wants to develop.
No.946409
>>946406
>Writing a good mystery requires autistic attention to detail, something very few people have naturally and almost nobody wants to develop.
Id say worse, id say JJ abrams pioneered the new kind of writing:
Explain it later writing.
People keep falling for the promise of later.
No.946416
>>946409
>reddit spacing
That aside, what you say is still true. It seems like the only thing BBC Sherlock even tries to do at this point is build intrigue.
It's very profitable because you will get people to come back just to get the payoff to all that intrigue, meaning the content doesn't have to be good. People are coming back for something that is promised, not something that was actually there in the first place.
Eventually people go "I've spent a lot of my time and money consuming this media, and I think of myself as having good taste. I wouldn't have spent all that time consuming this media if it was bad, therefore this media must be good".
No.946420
>>946416
>reddit spacing
It's a personal problem honest. It's more to do with my reading problems so I space out my text, then reddit.
>point is build intrigue.
Also: "ITZ ABOT DA CHARACTERZ"
Its such a mindless consumeristic reductionist viewpoint of characters. "I just wanna see these characters fuck around and do their shit even if it doesn't make any sense because I want gratification NOW"
Or in a Nutshell:
>BAZINGA
>*Laughtrack*
I feel like instead of just consuming shitty Sitcoms, people want shows with ongoing stories to BECOME sitcoms. These streams of never ending character quips and quirks. Where every once in a while the music gets serious and you pretend that the callback to that moment 20 episodes later means something.
They want the illusion of being smart whilst eating this never-ending stream of burgers until they vomit them all out, and then focus on finding the next stream of burgers to eat.
No.946422
>>946416
i don't know if it is "sunk cost fallacy" or if there is some other more precise term for it, but the whole, "I've invested time and/or money into this, I had an emotional reaction to psychologically manipulative stimuli, therefore what I just experience must be good" is rampant. Especially with seeing movies in a theater. If you polled people just as they left a theater, ratings of movies would be 2+ points higher on a 10 point scale.
No.946428
>>946422
Cognitive dissonance also applies, or rather what happens when your brain tries to reduce cognitive dissonance.
Funnily enough it's the same technique used to get people into cults. Well, one of the techniques anyway.
No.946430
What used to bug me about Law & Order: Criminal Intent was how Goren would just get them to confess by telling them how they did it. If he can hypnotise people into confessing, why do any detective work?
No.946574
>>946346
>the real identity is not known
>is suspected to be either the prince or the family medic of the royal family
>he was a kike
/pol/ you really should take your Meds and stay in your echochamber
No.946575
>>946377
Long Halloween was good anon, what are you smoking? Was a nice trick on figuring out who was killing mob. If was Dent, calendar men, Sofia or the wife of Dent that in don't remember the name
No.946576
>>946346
They learned that Jack the Ripper was a Czechoslovokian last year, so he was white.
No.946577
>>946576
>Czechoslovakian
>white
Was a polish kike (((anon))) therefor not white
>>946574
>>>/leftypol/
No.946654
>>946574
> the prince or the family medic of the royal family
>who is Aaron Kosminski
No.946672
>>946654
>basing yourself from kikepedia
>even so three paragraph above clearly says was unknown
>totally believe a (((DNA))) test made from the blood on the scarf of the victim
>never mind both the old and the new test have been compromised
No.946720
>>946220
You guys realize it's going to turn out that The Joker is Jack the Ripper right?
No.946727
>>946720
If I recall in the original story it was Bruces uncle.
No.946729
>>946727
The animated films aren't exactly faithful to their source material. I'm still banking on the easy cashgrab that would be having The Joker as the ripper.
No.946756
>>946727
It's actually the joker disguised as Bruce's uncle.
No.946829
What was that one animation called where Batman fought bane with her nunchucks?
No.946830
No.946838
Some of the cartoons like Batman: The Animated Series and Beware the Batman do attempt to put more detective scenes, but even those rely on shortcuts here and there.
No.947205
I had an idea for a Batman movie where he's been doing his thing for a year now and he's damaged the mob bosses but one day he encounters the Riddler and would have to use his detective skills to find him. It would be a cat and mouse game. Honestly, I would like to see that.
No.947329
No.947331
>>946577
"I'm not a butcher, I'm not a Yid,
Nor yet a foreign Skipper,
But I'm your own light-hearted friend,
Yours truly, Jack the Ripper."
No.947355
>>947331
The Yorkshire Ripper's tapes were all genuine too…
No.947394
>>946574
>he doesn't realize that he is living through the death of Western civilization
>he doesn't realize that the death of western civilization means the death of all civilization
>he doesn't realize whites will soon have nothing left to lose in life
>he has no idea what's coming
I pity you.
No.947396
>>947394
>>946346
>>946574
Its more a wannabe try hard from /tv/ than anything else, just report for derailing and ignore.
No.947474
>>947394
>he realize all this
>he shitpost on a Chinese carpet picturing place anyway
I pity (((jew)))
No.947489
>>947396
I wonder (((who))) is behind this post.
No.952570
>>946720
Judging by the trailers, it actually appears to be Harvey Dent. Or at least, that's what they are kind of strongly hinting at. Probably gonna be some kind of Jekyll and Hyde thing, where Two-Face commits the murders but Harvey has no clue what's happening.
No.952604
>>947612
(((Warner Brothers)))
No.952960
>>952570
That would be interesting though from what I remember of the graphic Novel Jack the Ripper was the Joker.
No.952963
>>952960
>Jack the Ripper was the Joker.
Aaand my interest is gone. If you're gonna plug Batman, at least plug better villains. I am sick and tired of seeing The Joker in every fucking DC animated movie.
No.952965
>>946220
The other day a friend of mine was bitching that Affleck's Batman wasn't 'detective-y' enough. Of all his complaints, that's the one he came up with. I told him Batman isn't really a detective, and he told me how he was advertised back in the day as being 'the world's best detective.'
Given the guy clearly doesn't really read comics considering that Batman's not been like that for a long time, but it did get me thinking about how far he's come. I think he's just completely incompatible with mystery at this point, honestly. Some one-shots and stuff is fine, but overall Batman and all the lore and stuff they've built up is just… It doesn't work.
No.952998
>>952960
You remember wrong, in the graphic novel Jack the Ripper was Bruce's uncle. Joker wasn't even present in the story in any form.
No.952999
>>952965
Batfleck had plenty wrong with him but yeah, not being a detective isn't a particularly strong point to make. The "World's Best Detective" moniker to Batman is what "The Last Son of Krypton" moniker is to Superman, neither of them hold true anymore.
No.953054
>>952965
At least as recently as the early-to-mid-90s Batman did a fair amount of detecting in his comics. Investigating crime scenes, analyzing evidence and crime patterns in the Batcave, interviewing/interrogating people for information…
No.961813
>>946220
>take a comic whose best feature is the Mike Mignola art style that helps to enhance the Victorian setting
>give it the same watered down Bruce Timm art style all the other DCAU movies
Goddamnit it's already bad enough that virtually all comic book movies these days look the exact same, but now the cartoons ?
Fuck that shit
Call me when they have a The Doom That Came to Gotham adaptation that looks like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbsDvGtTRWU
No.964058
>>952998
You're right. The closest thing to the Joker was a cameo in the beginning where Gordon mentions a widower killing all the women he married and then trying to kill himself with strychnine only to give himself a permanent grin.
No.964059
>>961813
>Aamzing Screw on Head
That would've been an awesome series.
No.964061
>>961813
>Bruce Timm art style
You've clearly never seen Bruce Timm's art
No.964069
>>946250
How do we bring that back?
No.964116
>>964059
The pilot was neat, but I feel like they'd have run out of ideas pretty quickly.
No.964135
>>946838
>Some of the cartoons like Batman: The Animated Series and Beware the Batman do attempt to put more detective scenes, but even those rely on shortcuts here and there.
Both used the lazy CSI Miami zooming the camera detective work. The thing is BtB wanted to hammer in the whole detective angle by having Batman talk a lot. My problem was the whole using Soultaker sword as bait plan was retarded and incredibly immoral. It is just because the BtB keeps telling us that Batman is really smart.
No.964389
No.964546
>>964135
Beware the Batman had a really bad habit of trying to make Batman seem smart by either having him pull deductions out of his ass that he should not be able to make without going through a whole series of logical steps first or else defeating their goal by having Batman come up with really retarded plans that they pretended were actually brilliant.
No.964555
>>946220
In eternal it took him almost 50 issues to released gordon from prison