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>>940537

Have you confronted them about their shit-flinging?

There is realistically nothing that can be done if everyone on your team acts like that. Sorry.

>blogpost

Jump ship. Literally easiest fucking choice ever.

>>940538

Yeah, a bit. But it wasn't in the context of this comic, just their lives in general. We don't have anything substantial to show so I haven't brought it up.

>>940541

Try to going on Facebook yourself and play PR. Level with people, assure them that the other members aren't speaking for everyone on the team. If need be, jump into their stupid arguments and defend any fans they're insulting. If I was on a team and I had SJW workmates trying to ruin everything, I'd want to make it clear to potential readers that there's at least one person there that isn't completely insane.

Also, I wouldn't try jumping ship just yet. I mean, from what you've posted, these guys haven't let their cuckery leak into the comic themselves yet, right? You're in a position that you can stop them from going unchecked and inserting Marvel-tier tumblr pandering bullshit into the project. If they start going behind your back though, that's when it might be time to bail.

Whatever you do, do not let SJWism go through without a fight. We've all seen where it ends but you're in a position to stop the cancer before it metastases.

A sticky situation regardless. My only advise is to highly critical of the material that finds its way into your work, both from you and your friend. Question everything in an analytical way, and dont let a good idea go unchallenged. It is how you improve as an artist/writer and how you prevent stupid shit from working its way into the cracks.

If it takes a turn for the worse, don't be afraid to speak up. You are in a business venture with these people, you have invested time. Make sure they act professional.

Rape her boyfriend and assert your dominance. Sounds like this chick is just an empty shell and you just need to fill her head with less retarded ideas.

>>940537

Sabotage their story and make their characters over-exaggerated parodies of SJW superheroes. Give them contradictory and dumb motivations in a subtle way. Have a fat gay hiv+ infected superhero who calls people homophobic bigots for not having sex with him.

>>940559

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>>940537

Basically these are okay ideas to follow though alternatively if you end up really feeling like you can't work with them then maybe try to find other people who would want to focus on just making fun light-hearted cape stuff and try from there.B

>>940537

>What do y'all think?

fuck your friend in the ass

If the issues are addressed in the comics, just take the Peter David route of making both sides sympathetic, and not demonising them or making them strawmen.

Have you and your friends actually gotten anything done, like designs, a synopsis, a script? Not that you need to show us, but it sounds like you're worried about other shit when you haven't even gotten past the "idea guy" phase. The most you can do is politely keep your friends on point, which means occasionally swatting down ideas you feel might hurt your vision for the comic. Maybe explain to them why getting into Facebook fights isn't constructive.

>>940564

Marvel will hire them in no time

>>940537

Jump. I went through almost the exact same thing, odds are the comic is going to crash and burn due to the SJWs self destructive nature anyway, do yourself a favor and simply abandon ship, take your ideas with you, and find an alternative solution.

>>940537

>her male feminist boyfriend

Why the hell didn't you fuck her before he got in? Women follow their man's lead, you could have avoided this entire shitfest in the first place.

>>940537

>girl

>>940644

We're actually pretty far along. I think the first issue will be out around mid-December. That's more of why I'm worried, since I think a big part of us getting a fanbase will involve us NOT being autistic

>>940666

I'm pretty invested. Ideally I'll be in charge of our social media accounts, twitter or whatever.

>>940735

It's not that their politics bother me, it's that I don't want to drive fans away with their political talk

>>940898

Luckily I don't think it'll ever get that bad. I've been pretty aggressive about creative control so unless I get replaced by an ultra-cuck somehow that kind of shit won't see the light of day

>>940917

In that case, make yourself invaluable.

>>940537

>Light-hearted stuff with a bunch of wacky characters right.

Dime-a-dozen stuff, son. I'm falling asleep just reading that.

I don't think there's any issue in jumping ship, unless I'm missing something and your idea is actually REALLY good.

>>940917

>I think the first issue will be out around mid-December

What's the name of this comic, if you don't mind me asking?

>>940981

Overpowered

I'll probably post Read: Shilling it on here when I can to get impressions. I'll try not to be a faggot about it though. It'll be free on Tapas and some other sites otherwise

Speaking from experience, OP, if you don't want to kill yourself you are going to want to kill them.

I had a long time buddy in uni who was an /a/non for years. Between junior and senior year, he went full tranny socjus and caused our game development project to turn from a senior project into a shit show. Months of work were thrown around and out for flavor of the week tranny issues and 2deep tumblrshit. If I had not attached myself to him for senior project, the friendship would have been over. He was a completely different person from before.

>>940537

Jump ship, or your own work is going to be tainted.

I'm a pessimist, but I have two cents.

If you do go through with it, I think you have to, in some part, also consider it an attempt at intervention or community outreach. The mind virus will creep in, eventually, despite any promises. It will seep into the comic, and you will have to deal with it. They will go behind your back. There will be drama about it.

If you are successfull, they will seek to overthrow you, and if you are not, they will blame you for their faliure, and attempt to replace you. Either way, they will eventually fuck with you. You cannot give them an inch, compromise is how the virus spreads. You have to be stern, and you have to be stern, every time you interact with them, possibly for a long time.

Either you work with these people, and accept that you also have to teach two people to grow up, or you find someone else to work with. You cannot allow youself to ignore this aspect of people you are going to have a professional relationship with, since it is a bulletproof indicator for childish and unprofessional people.

Unless you want to waste a lot of time and money.

>>941143 finishing thoughts

I think the only way this works, is if you stop thinking about them as "friends" and "cool people to hang out with", and begin thinking about them as employees. Otherwise you are setting yourself up for failure.

I just read the OP text a second time, and was struck by your wording.

>hope it works out

If you have to hope, you dont have a plan of action. If you dont plan, you have lost already. Hoping (without planning) is the behavioral equivalent to giving up.

And dont underestimate the weight of your decisions here. dont underplay the arguments to yourself. dont "weeell, they might change, I might be wrong", dont goosestep around anyones feelings, and dont make excuses for them. god knows this is one thing sjws do enough of themselves.

this is extremely important for your life, and the people around you, hopefully for a long ass time. Take it as seriously as it deserves. And good luck!

Your work will suffer when you know yourself that their personal politics will jeopardise what you want to make. You only get one chance to make a product, never forget that.

>>940537

Your project is dead in the water for quality and if you try to push it anyway you're alienate everyone that could have been YOUR fan

>>943568

This. I fucking loved Gravity Falls but Alex Hirsch just couldn't keep his yap shut about his shitty liberal politics, so now I'm all done with that franchise and anything else he'll come up with in the future. I'm not going to give money and time to people who literally think I'm evil if I don't see the world like they do. Every comic and animation creator that has a Twitter account uses it to attack the usual list of "enemies": Republicans, Americans, men, whites, Christians, heterosexuals. It's tired and I'm tired of it. These people don't keep their opinions to themselves so they won't alienate people; they're so pious that they WANT to create that conflict. Ideology trumps profits in media now.

>>940666

>I am obsessed with self-reliance

Satan's right, I'm a writefag and poorfag, so since I can't hire a drawfag I have to learn to draw myself.

Every little progress feels good. I practice one hour a day and try to force myself to write or proofread a script.

>>944623

>MBA

Maschienenbau und Bahnbedarf AG?

>>944623

Richard Williams was an insane perfectionist. He wasn't making a movie for anybody else but himself. Hes a brilliant (Like super-genius levels) animator no doubt, but he was given EVERY chance and he BEGGED for funding, and he was given a very realistic logical contract. And when he failed to meet it, they took over like they said they would.

MAKEAMERICAJACKDAGAIN

Also, sorry for the shit drawings, I'm still learning and STEM college kept me from training for a month.

>>946501

Since OP isn't arguing about injecting his own politics, I think his best strategy will be to use reality against these friends who might feel that they need to pander or put in hamfisted political allegory into their work. Be ready to counter each and every one of their points when they bring it up, but with arguments that are rooted in sensible logic that they can't use to label you a nazi

>you believe strong storytelling and characters should take priority above all else. After all, you are telling a story

>This is a story you want to tell because it's your story, not as something done in service to a specific cause or group.

>Politcization, if done poorly (and it's very easy to do poorly) will make the story feel dated and irrelevant, sometimes within a few short weeks. (Same reason to avoid memes or too many pop culture references)

>"Representation matters, though!" Not according to comic book sales. America, Champions, and many other books that sold themselves strictly on the race and sexual orientation of their characters sold like shit. Only Moon Girl sold well, but that's because they literally pushed it onto grade schooler book fairs.

>People like good stories more than they like fanservice, winks, nods, and patronization from authors they don't even care about yet.

>Everyone who tries to turn their work, their company, or their brand into an act of political activism typically ends up spending all their time on twitter or social media arguing about politics with shitposters. Do you want to work on the project and be recognized for your work, or do you want to waste all your time chasing trending hashtags and squabbling with strangers on the internet?

>>946496

Not OP, but you could try

>>/loomis/

>>946520

It's a tough pill to swallow!

>>948054

So what are you.

If you're a writefag there's no much to worry as you have control of it's content on 75% of the cases.

>>948076

Well like I said earlier, I'm worried that their nonstop political shitflinging and autism will

A.) drive off people who don't care for that kind of shit

And

B.) get them into arguments with people who stuck around

You see this kind of stuff with a lot of marvel people recently, Waid and that cuck who writes moon knight as an example

Like another anon said earlier in the thread, I'm gonna try and play PR as much as possible and hopefully convince them to keep it in check

>>948084

If you're a drawfag you could work on your own, unless one of them puts the money for the tools.

>>948054

>I'm worried about them keeping their politics in the public eye,

Which would be just as bad as them infecting the comic with it. Many people will go to their twitter or some other social media account to learn a little about the people behind the comic, see the blatant SJW shit and write off your comic because of the reputation these people have for injecting their politics into their work.

>>940537

>My co-creators are cucks and I don't know if I should jump ship or hope it works out

It won't work out. Tell them that you can't continue if when they put identity politics or regular politics into the story. It almost destroyed both Marvel and DC. I'm sure IDW is going to be feeling the blowback soon since Hasbro has started demanding the so-called writers stop putting race-lifting and faggotry into their comic tie-ins.

>>944623

Profits gave us the tick

listen to the venture brothers commentary tracks