No.1053779
Michael Ramirez is everything I look for in a political cartoonist: out-of-touch message, labels everywhere, and hypocritical about everything.
No.1053786
Why is it that American political cartoons are so heavy handed in their messages? European ones aren't exactly subtle, but at least they don't label every fucking symbol.
No.1053790
>>1053786
They need to make absolutely sure you understand what they're trying to say because their cartoons border on non-sequitur.
No.1053791
Ben Garrision seems like he has a thing for Ocasio-Cortez. The kind of thing that would have Ben singing in front of a portrait of Donald Trump and begging his forgiveness.
No.1053804
>>1053777
>political cartoons thread as an excuse to post cartoons from nazis for nazis to make us all look even better after Norway
Stay classy and suck Putin's dick.
No.1053805
>>1053777
How many of these fucking threads do we need?
No.1053814
Political cartoons that aged like milk.
No.1053817
>>1053777
Is this the new Stonetoss general?
Okie dokie.
No.1053819
>>1053805
I'm pretty sure the point of this thread is so that we can keep all that shit in one place instead of cluttering the catalog
No.1053822
>>1053819
Yeah stick to one those thread, dont make another cancer sore genius.
No.1053825
>>1053823
>They both hate illegal aliens
How much of a casual do you have to be to come up with that Batman example? Even the kids nowadays must know that Batman and Superman are usually friends.
Please, tell me I'm not wrong about that.
No.1053826
>>1053823
>Not wanting Batman as president.
I'd totally vote for Bats. He'd have a strong policy on crime and mental health issues.
No.1053827
>>1053804
> PR
How the fuck do you people end up here? Literally every US three letter has global admin access. You're on a list just for visiting (hi guys!). What possible reason could you have for filtering down to our little den of inequity? I cannot imagine that you'd find Reddit or the like particularly objectionable. Why join us old sinners?
Shit crypto LOL thread by the way OP. Political cartoons almost never have that special something stuff like Assigned Male or Breakfast Rape has. This is just going to be a bunch of faggots posting shit they disagree with.
No.1053828
>>1053826
>voting for Batman
No.1053830
>>1053825
Usually they're friends or allies in the comics till you get Miller shit or stuff like Injustice trying to "push the boundaries". Because biting social commentary or calling Superman a boyscout is so controversial and new.
No.1053831
What do you guys think of kelly from the onion? He's good for a parody of political cartoons. Some of his most memorable cartoons were making fun of entirely non issues.
No.1053844
>>1053831
Knowing about Ward Sutton's non-ironic cartoons somewhat ruin them
No.1053848
>>1053844
What a shame, I wouldn't have guessed.
No.1053849
>>1053844
Does anyone have that comic that equated the assumption of innocence to the assumption that the woman is guilty (of lying) until proven innocent?
No.1053864
I'm starting to think that the last good political cartoonist was Ron Cobb.
This bunch of assholes are just pushing one worldview with no wit, no insight, and no sense of irony. That parody of an out-of-touch boomer cartoonist from the Onion is unironically better than this SHIT-TWIZZLE.
Fuck, I miss Pogo Possum. Walt Kelly could express his opinions without coming off like a screeching suicide bomber.
No.1053870
I'm surprised I've yet to see a cartoon with Pepe with bloodstained hands
No.1053871
>>1053870
That's because the type of people who make these comics don't give two shits about Pepe anymore, unless they see someone who they want to smear use a Pepe image.
No.1053874
>>1053864
no kidding i guess having actual talent helps
http://roncobb.net/film.html
No.1053889
>>1053831
Does this guy have no idea how to visually represent something?
No.1053891
>>1053825
Wouldn't it make more sense to have Luthor be the Trump allegory. He hates aliens and is super rich.
No.1053912
>>1053883
#2 sure aged well, didn't it?
No.1053918
>>1053864
>This bunch of assholes are just pushing one worldview with no wit, no insight, and no sense of irony. That parody of an out-of-touch boomer cartoonist from the Onion is unironically better than this SHIT-TWIZZLE.
Satire can't exist without truth and insight. Without those things, it is just making fun of people that you don't like.
No.1053922
>>1053805
What do you mean by "these"?
What other thread are you referring to that is triggering you?
No.1053923
>>1053913
#2.
Not #3.
Learn to count.
No.1053925
>>1053912
No cartoons age quite as well as Ben Garrison cartoons.
No.1053933
>>1053922
Not only a garbage comic, it also has to steal Shmorky's art. Because nazifags hate art.
No.1053943
>>1053777
>>1053791
I never got the hate for Stem Cell research. It doesn't come exclusively from aborted babies. You can get it from adults as well, it's just that babies produce more of them. Also IIRC they don't even require an abortion to extract. Their health benefits are simply too massive to outright demonize in such a way.
No.1053949
Trump sounds like Chris-Chan.
Just listen to his voice and cadence.
No.1053957
>>1053949
Chris has a robotic like monotone voice and trump has a very distinctive voice that's deeper and more refined. Is this some bizarre attempt at trolling? Oh and tread is on bump lock. Thanks for killing the containment thread for political cartoons, can't wait to see /co/ have dozens of separate threads rather them all contained into one thread.
No.1053958
>>1053957
Thread was on page 1 for me. Get on topic, faggot.
No.1053961
>>1053943
>It doesn't come exclusively from aborted babies
That's enough for most
>>1053949
The left can't meme, but they're trying!
No.1053962
>>1053957
>trump has a very distinctive voice that's deeper and more refined
Trump's voice is slightly higher than Chris's, giving it a whining quality. Trump's is also less refined, more prone to slurring or rambling. They both have that unemotional monotone where you can tell they have trouble conveying their emotions through their speech outside of yelling. Both have a speaking style where they sound exhausted after every sentence and have a similar cadence.
It's uncanny when you hear them side by side.
No.1053966
>>1053844
Kelly might be ironic, but his hatred for everything marvel comics related might not be.
No.1053990
>>1053923
I was going to say but something but there is very little to say so just posted common core cartoons.
>>1053961
Doublespeak isn't a word found in 1984. I argue that it doesn't fit into idea of Newspeak. Newspeak doesn't give the people the tools to attack the government. Do these fuckers understand 1984?
No.1053992
>>1053961 (image 4)
I don't get how people think that Muslims are somehow more honest than Jew. Open hostility isn't a sign of "fighting fair".
No.1053994
>>1053992
>that third one
Well, yeah, capitalism is way more American than Islamism.
No.1054005
>>1054001
1) I'm not sure watch is the cartoonist's intent but you can't have social programs and open boarders.
2) "Free speech is bad!"
3) Mudslime apologist talking about radicalization.
4) "If I say that they are bullies, I can make their points invalid." Strawman.
5)
On 2016 election
>Pure democracy is ideal for country compromised with different states with their own laws.
On Brexit
>Pure democracy is false god. Unelected officials should override one of the few acts of democracy in the system.
I know that the artist doesn't necessarily hold those two views but I'm sure a lot of people do.
No.1054010
>>1053814
>>1053864
I found Cobb to e decent
Anyone willing to post underrated cartoonists? The libshit from some posters and the comics is starting to get stale.
No.1054016
>>1054010
I can, choose a year between 1981 and 2001
No.1054018
No.1054019
>>1054005
> is the cartoonist's intent
Most likely the "truism" spouted by (leftish) woke centrist that the plebs only hate all the diversity because the new people compete for social services and if only those selfish pols would spigots and build MOAR hospitals/public transport/schools everybody would love their town turning into a copy of Dar-es-Salaam.
No.1054030
>>1053961
>3rd pic
>Flag of a foreign country
Objectively untrue in the United States. A dissident political faction within the same country is not suddenly a foreign country, and I'm not surprised that retard doesn't know the difference.
No.1054040
>>1054024
This one is legitimately funny, but the joke is completely independent of the political message.
No.1054052
>>1053992
Well, in that way you just ban mudslim and it’s all good while with Jew doing shady stuff it’s worst to remove AND it will help those terrorist to join
Think about it as a tumor or aids. With one you just remove it and it’s ok while with the other you are stuck with it forever
No.1054054
>>1054030
>A dissident political faction within the same country is not suddenly a foreign country
The Confederate States of America weren't a dissident political faction. They were an unrecognized country. Since the redneck driving the truck isn't a citizen of the CSA, as the CSA ceased to exist in 1865, then the flag counts as being one of a foreign country.
That flag being the battle flag of a foreign country that warred against the United States opens up a whole new can of worms.
No.1054060
Is this a good place to discuss the absolute insanity that is Jon McNaughton?
>1. Obamanation by Jon McNaughton
>Obama shows his rooster friend his new teleprompter while a cop sits against the Resolute Desk getting drunk and a solider eats cake
Also there's a toilet for some reason. The painting itself reminds me of Robert Williams's work, except less vibrant and more realistic.
>2. Forgotten Man by Jon McNaughton
>James Madison yells "WHAT ARE THOSE?" at Obama's shoes. Washington, Jefferson, Regan, and Lincoln are all in astonishment over a bum's jacket, with Washington turning to Obama in disbelief. Clinton, FDR, and Theodore Roosevelt applaud that their time travel experiment was a success.
On Jon McNaughton's site, he has an interactive map of Forgotten Man. The entire piece has to do with the national dept.
>3.You are Not Forgotten by Jon McNaughton
>Trump wonders why a bum is planting something in the sidewalk as a snake slithers up his pants.
Who's the guy in the back that looks like he's got a migraine headache?
>4. Respect the Flag by Jon McNaughton
>In the middle of trying to clean the dirt and grass stains out of the American flag, Trump suddenly forgets where he is.
I'm really looking forward to next year's "Presidential Flag Cleaning" Championships. It's been over sixty years. Somebody's gotta beat Truman's time.
>5. National Emergency by Jon McNaughton
>Dems standing on the American flag while holding the flags of different countries
>except Ocasio-Cortez and Maxine Waters, who are holding the state flags of New York and California respectively
The message is clear until you hit that part. Then it's confusing.
No.1054061
>>1054060
I actually like McNaughton as far as political artists go. He can at least get his point across without labeling the fuck out of everything.
No.1054062
>>1054054
>as the CSA ceased to exist in 1865
Says you, carpetbagger.
No.1054080
No.1054084
>>1054027
Dat American Online
No.1054086
>>1054060
This is exactly what I'm talking about whenever I praise Ben Garrison or really talented furfags as well. Even if much of the art IS pure propaganda or an extreme, strawman version of the artist's argument, you cannot deny that it hasn't got artistic merit and a real message behind it. Most cartoonists are really shit because all they're doing is preaching to the choir but folk like them really try and make the point very much "personal".
I associate furfags with them because, when they're good, they're uncannily good, like you want to dismiss it because it's obvious fetishism but when it's done with artistic rigor it just makes them seem so much more than what they actually are.
Also for the last one, I believe what he meant with the flags isn't that they're applauding foreigners, since as you stated it's got burger states flags, but it tries to show how divided the Democratic party really is making America by putting more importance onto individual states and foreigners than Americans themselves. Obviously the whole thing with Trump like, praying or looking like he's about to be on a hip-hop cover isn't lost on me, but I'd like to think that there's a bit more thought going into these than sheer cuckservativism. I mean, if you look at the second one, Bush is inching very peculiarly near the ones approving of Obama's actions, yet you can also see Wilson with a look of uncertainty (given his racial stances and all). It's just one of those things where the more you stare at it, the more you notice subtleties.
No.1054088
>>1054060
I like it, doesn't use labels and is actually nice to look rather than blatantly trying to make everything look really ugly.
No.1054092
Not exactly political but Pawel Kuczynski's comics are the holy grail of pretentiousness.
>smartphones bad
>physical books good
btw why there is a horse and a donkey with the the other livestock? The consumption of equine meat is common in Poland?
No.1054096
>>1054092
I think it's because they're pack animals, but that doesn't matter. The artist doesn't understand farms or that farmers feed cats so they stick around and kill vermin.
No.1054100
>>1054096
>>1054092
>The consumption of equine meat is common in Poland?
No, Horse and sheep are popular meats in anglo-european countries. Dunno about Donkey.
No.1054103
>>1054092
Gotta love the second one
>Me read me smart
No.1054108
>>1054092
>controller with dpad on the wrong side is wired directly into monitor
No.1054109
>>1054092
The art is actually pretty good, too bad it is wasted with the blandest boomer-tier ideas possible.
No.1054118
>>1054023
>Paradox of tolerance
Not really. You tolerate anybody, until they violate your rights. Then you stop tolerating them.
No.1054119
>>1054084
Don't take the first pic too seriously; the artist is just a visual shitposter.
No.1054124
>>1054052
I make retarded typos when I phonepost but I'm mostly just guessing what you meant in that first sentence.
Let's not play the analogy game too hard. Aids is completely preventable and HIV is survivable with constant medication. Cancer isn't caused by one thing. While there are ways to guarantee Cancer, there is no guarantee way to avoid it. Also, Cancer has a tendency to come back and it isn't so easy to remove. Treating Cancer is often very painful and makes the patient weak.
Also, Muslims aren't exactly easy to remove and Islam spreads, a lot. Muslims literally hate everyone. Do you really think that they don't regularly lie and manipulate people? With Muslims, it is constant game of good cop, bad cop except people call you racist when you point out that they are working together.
No.1054125
>>1054121
>and possibly from Quebec or America
I won't lie, that's funny as hell. Well done, leafs.
No.1054143
Choose another year between 1981 and 2000
No.1054146
No.1054149
>>1054146
Here's some '90 Steve Sack cartoons strait from the Minneapolis Star Tribune archives
No.1054159
>>1054023
>1st pic
I think that's an edit. The original one had nazis.
>>1054025
>1st pic
For some reason I love his facial expressions.
No.1054160
No.1054161
>>1054160
Yep, does fine art (both paintings and sculptures) and illustrates the childrens newspaper comic Doodles
https://www.creators.com/features/doodles
No.1054185
>>1054084
"Lending dignity to a perforated condom" sounds like a pretty tall order for anyone. Should take quite a big dick.
No.1054188
>>1054092
>implying smartphones are good
>implying reading is bad
>implying a sedentary lifestyle of video games and TV won't lead to an early grave (did you even notice the background is a man in a hospital bed?)
Pic 4 isn't groundbreaking, but it's funny. Of what you posted, pic 5 is the only one I find objectionable due to how stupid it is and how simple the message is.
I recognize this guy's style, though, so I went to his website and found some more interesting stuff, which of course you had conveniently ignored because you're too much of an offended bugman to look past the simpler stuff.
I particularly like pic 2, because brutalist architecture is one of the longest-lasting and most damaging (((psyops))) ever perpetrated.
No.1054191
>>1054188
>>implying smartphones are good
>>implying reading is bad
No, he didn't imply any of that. What is it with you people? If you read that much into what people say, you can get any damn message to somehow mean whatever you want to say they mean.
I mostly agree about brutalism - I think there are far more damaging psyops - but is there any minimalist architecture that isn't terrible?
As for leaving out the other pictures, they range from ridiculous through obvious to - what the hell is that passifier and the arm?
No.1054192
>>1054191
oh wait, I just noticed the band, yeah, drugs are bad and only losers do them, mkay.
No.1054196
>>1054092
Smartphones are one of the worst things to happen to imageboards though
No.1054202
No.1054204
>>1053943
If you haven't noticed by now, everything is black and white in politics and to ideologues. It's all us vs them, so whatever the other side wants, the other automatically doesn't.
No.1054210
>>1054188
Did you knew that you can actually use your smartphone to read books?
No.1054222
>>1054210
That lady knows her shit
No.1054225
>>1053823
Candace Owens in the first one
No.1054228
>>1054204
That's the fun of political cartoons, just seeing how far they're going to take things and what issues they're going to flip on.
No.1054231
Choose a year between 1981 and 2000 and what would you like to see more of? cartoons about domestic issues or foreign issues?
No.1054232
>>1054231
More dabbing on libtards, obviously.
No.1054234
>>1054232
I'll try, here are some '95 cartoons (the first one is why Trump will win a second term)
No.1054240
Hope you all tolerated it
No.1054243
>>1054242
>first one
I remember spending that election night on /pol/ and the tears were delicious.
No.1054285
>>1054242
Just who in the fuck is this?
No.1054290
No.1054294
>>1054290
This article is outdated as hell, it doesn't even mention his sex change surgery that he later regretted because he lost his libido yes, he didn't knew that cutting off your balls and dick makes you sex drive go away.
No.1054298
>>1054243
>2008
>/pol/ existing
No.1054299
>>1054290
Oh wait, I know this faggot. Didn't remember his weird pro-Obama/murder-McCain phase.
No.1054308
No.1054316
>>1054298
Well fuck me. I thought McCain ran against Obama in 2012. Guess I'm getting the old people brain problems.
No.1054342
>>1054316
It's probably more because no one remembers Mitt Romney, outside of maybe those binders full of women memes. McCain is far more well known, and for less fun reasons
No.1054434
>>1054202
Some of his stuff can be a little neat, but that's it, at best.
If it were built in a place with a similar architectural style, it would fit in. It would just be depressing to look at every day.
Anywhere else, it sticks out and demands attention to itself like a big vulgar piece of modern architecture with no purpose beyond it's architect being an attention whore.
No.1054438
>>1054191
>he didn't imply any of that
The artist drew an image where smartphones are literally sharks threatening the life of someone happily reading a book. Then the redditor I quoted (who is the one I referred to in my greentext - you didn't misunderstand a simple interaction like that, did you?) got mad because it reminded him of his social media addiction and tried to style on da haterz with an epic meme arrow.
>minimalist architecture
The only minimalist architecture which comes to my mind is modern stuff, where everything is fucking white and there are two uncomfortable pieces of furniture in the middle of an empty room.
>>1054235
Pic 5 is surprisingly understated. Got any stuff from 1999? I'm curious to see if the turn-of-the-millennium futurism influenced political cartoonists at all.
No.1054464
>>1054438
>got mad because it reminded him of his social media addiction
You're making assumptions again. You might be right - or, the root of critique could also be that it's such a, basic, obvious and shallow message. Because it is. Or something completely different.
But all we know is that the anon criticized the theme, not why.
It just annoys me when people make these kind of assumptions, because it seems very irrational. But maybe that's just my autism.
No.1054526
>>1054457
Is that "metal detector" one about increasing airport security circa 1999, because they'd not seen anything yet!
No.1054559
Posting some Winsor McCay, a great and sadly mostly forgotten cartoonist. Pic 5 is a personal favourite of mine.
>>1054460
>pic 1
Scarily ahead of its time. Thanks for posting all of these.
>>1054464
>But maybe that's just my autism
Finally, something we can agree on.
No.1054560
You can see how influential McCay has been on generations of hack cartoonists, which is a shame because he was extremely skilled.
No.1054571
>>1054559
>pic 1
>Scarily ahead of its time.
Variable-Price Coke Machines were a real thing in 1999. They failed due to public outrage.
https://archive.fo/Jc9wR
No.1054599
>>1054559
>Thanks for posting all of these
You're quite welcome
If you want to see Steve's cartoons from 2001 to today, here's a link
https://www.cagle.com/author/steve-sack/
Which year from 1981 to 2000 do you want next?
No.1054601
>>1054599
How about 1991? Interested to see what he made in response to the end of the Soviet Union
No.1054611
>>1053870
>2
So he supports gun control, but…
>>1054461
>1
Isn't that a huge point against more gun control laws? If you're willing to look at other crimes and causes of death, gun homicides are a tiny issue.
No.1054615
>>1054560
>Woman's face in the first pic
Jeez, what a weeb
No.1054627
Nonsense
This isn't an election year!
No.1054654
>>1054571
I think my dad was in on that project. Interesting.
No.1054701
Who wants another year ('81 to 2000) of Steve Sack cartoons
No.1054712
>>1054632
>1st one
is it still a political cartoon if it's making its subject look like a badass?
No.1054715
>>1054701
That second one.
I think satire was never taught in progressive schools.
"ACs proposals are so bullshit I will bullshit you for 20 minutes because that will never happen"
"On yeah well he bullshitted us!"
No.1054718
>>1054712
A few editorial cartoons probably made Obama look like one
No.1054760
>>1054701
>1st one
Funny, if all of those were true, you'd think at least one of them would have resulted in actual criminal proceedings. Or that the media would have spent two years harping on something other than the bogus Russia narrative. Funny how even when taking a shit on the guy, you still manage to look like an idiot.
No.1054768
>>1054712
>>1054715
>it was satire
No, when you're telling a joke and the joke makes you look stupid, then it isn't satire. It's an embarrassment.
No.1054790
>>1053990
>depictions of homosexuality used as ridicule is harmful and homophobic
>except when we do it
>youre a russian bot if you have a problem with it
>>1054701
>legislating away rights is strong leadership
No.1054800
Choose a year between 1981 to 2000
No.1054801
>>1054800
1999
I want to see them talk about y2k.
No.1054804
No.1054835
>>1054821
>last one
>need time healing
Seems pretty tame compared to now.
No.1054963
>>1054876
>>1054881
As often as Death crops up in these, he's starting to grow on me.
>>1054884
>pics 2 and 5
Typical. "American interventionism is wrong and we should pull out our troops!"→2 weeks later: "Oh my God look at the suffering in this blighted shithole country no one cared about yesterday! We have to do something!"
No.1054980
>>1053834
That (((Shapiro))) parody is awful. In the bic image he looks like George W. Bush and in the smaller ones he looks asian.
>>1054131
>We had a guy who could shoot it down… but he was transgender…
I've seen that comic before, but I only just now realised that he refers to the tranny as a "he". At least the comic author knows the truth deep down.
>>1054701
>Last one
>Putin and Trump shaking hands on building white ethnostates
Sometimes I wish reality would swap places with leftist feaver dreams.
No.1055031
>>1055029
>only person in the known universe with a reasonable opinion
Why is it that every "rationalfag" out there has a massive fucking ego?
No.1055032
>>1055029
>vaccines
<why are conservatives anti-science?
>global warming
<why are conservatives anti-science?
>DNA testing
<SCIENCE IS FUCKING RACIST!
No.1055033
>>1054980
Maybe it is a female to male tranny.
No.1055037
>>1055031
Because rational people don't run around screaming about how "rational" they are all the time. People who do that are insane.
Just look at RationalWiki.
No.1055062
Is it too much to ask for modern comics that are actually clever or funny?
No.1055092
>>1055062
Humor is bigoted
Who wants another year of Steve Sack cartoons? (choose a year between 1981 to 2000)
No.1055097
>>1055032
I thought anti-vaxx people were hippie lefty types?
>>1055062
I just wish the art wasn't so ugly like seriously. Everyone even people they support look ugly. It makes me think of that Roald Dahl quote.
No.1055111
>>1055097
Anti-vaxxery crosses the political divide. Lefties think it's a plot by The Man to get you throw your shekels at Big Pharma; Conservatards think it's a plot to implant microchips in you for government tracking.
No.1055113
>>1055111
The absence of the capacity for critical thought is unfortunately common to both ends of the political spectrum.
You go out to the ends, that's where you find the dummies, the loonies, the wingnuts, and the cloudcuckoolanders.
No.1055114
>>1055113
Meanwhile the dead center of the Overton window is where you find normalfags who could think but don't want to.
No.1055121
>>1055032
>>1055097
>>1055111
>>1055113
>I thought anti-vaxx people were hippie lefty types?
It used to be that both liberals and conservatives had an equal number of people who were anti-vaccination, but in recent years, the number of conservatards that don't believe in vaccination has increased.
https://archive.fo/4g61X
It makes sense when you remember a lot of conservatards are prone to anti-government/ new world order conspiracy theories.
No.1055123
>>1055121
>Mercury, Formaldehyde, Autism, Thimerosal front and center
>Bribery, Lobbyists in the distant background
What a perfect demonstration of the way that illiterate scare stories occupy all the bandwidth that could be used to address the real problems with pharma.
Hell, if I worked for a pharma company I'd be trying to encourage antivax bullshit wherever I could. The stupider and more easily disproven the better. It's the perfect smokescreen for corruption, it forces moderates to defend pharma companies and it makes legitimate critics look like just more kooks.
No.1055138
>>1055123
Using "lobbyists" and "bribery" in that cartoon is supposed to undermine vaccinations by portraying them as poison sold to make money for Big Pharma. There's also some "New World Order/Globalist" undertones.
Essentially, Ben Garrison is a dumb-ass and is willing to kill children to protect his dumb-assery.
No.1055139
>>1053823
>Trump-O-Vision
>Looks exactly the same but with a hat
>Trump is Batman
>But here's how that's bad though guys wait
I am also very tired of people who don't read comics constantly saying that all Bruce Wayne does is punch people in a bat suit. How many programs and buildings have a giant Wayne donation behind it? He's a philanthropist. Wasn't there one time when Arkham was destroyed and he just rebuilt it with his own money? Or that other time Arkham was destroyed and inmates were just living in Bruce's own house? If Bruce Wayne just moves to another city Gotham is finished. But the movies don't show him buying some black amputee kids ice cream and teddy bears so he must be doing nothing and ignorant.
No.1055171
>>1055121
Makes sense. I guess I tend to see more lefty types is that I live in a blues state so the lefty nutjobs are more noticeable than the right wing nutjobs.
>>1055123
I feel like this could apply with a lot of problems with corruption in society.
No.1055219
>>1054627
David Duke one is spot on.
No.1055237
>>1055139
You have to understand, none of these people actually read the comics. They just watched the Nolan movies and not even particularly closely because a full half of screentime in those is dedicated to shit revolving around the charitable acts on Bruce's part.
No.1055238
>>1055123
>conservatards
>>1055121
>illiterate scare stories
Are you telling me you guys have the specific education to actually understand what everything in those vaccinations does to human bodies? Because the vast majority of people don't, and there's no end of experts who'll lie for pay day on and day in.
I'm not saying that I know there's anything wrong with them or not, I just don't fool myself into thinking that I know more than I do.
For fucks sake, fucking SWAT kicked raided some anti-vaxxers and took their children at 1 in the morning. Don't play this shit down.
No.1055253
>>1055238
>Are you telling me you guys have the specific education to actually understand what everything in those vaccinations does to human bodies?
No, but those who do have that specific education have verifiable data proving that they're safe, and effective.
The SWAT kick raiding occurred because the unvaccinated kid involved had a fever of 105 and the parents were refusing to take him to the emergency room. Their quack doctor called child safety services, who in turn called the cops. The cops went to check on the child and the dad refused to open the door. They then received a warrant to remove the child, and kicked in the door after the dad continued to refuse to open the door.
https://archive.fo/t0YEV
No.1055266
>>1055111
>>1055121
>>1055253
Quit being a retarded shill
Also
>Independent
>MSNBC
>Arizona
<no mention of race
Bastians of bias those news sites you limp wristed cuck
No.1055268
>>1055253
>No, but those who do have that specific education have verifiable data proving that they're safe, and effective.
Again, you're relying on "experts". I mentioned those before.
No.1055278
>>1055268
<I know more about medicine than the 1.1 million medical doctors in the United States
The Anti-Vaxx movement is the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
No.1055280
>>1055238
>For fucks sake, fucking SWAT kicked raided some anti-vaxxers and took their children at 1 in the morning. Don't play this shit down.
Good
No.1055281
>>1055266
>those first 3 pics
is that hehe silly comics' artwork? seems similar to her style.
No.1055283
>>1055278
Yes, those 1.1 million doctors in the US know what's best when more than half of them perform circumcisions which are proven to cause permanent psychological (and obviously physiological) changes in newborn boys.
No.1055286
>>1055238
>>1055268
>Are you telling me you guys have the specific education to actually understand what everything in those vaccinations does to human bodies?
In my case, yes. But I see your point and I agree that this is a big problem. The more qualifications you need to engage with the substance of an issue, the more ordinary people are left just choosing who to trust. There will, as you say, be endless 'experts' trying to gain your trust.
>I just don't fool myself into thinking that I know more than I do.
That's a fine attitude to take, skepticism is good and knowing what you don't know is important. But please be careful about reserving judgement on every rumor, no matter the substance, until it's overwhelmingly proven false. There will always be more wild rumors than there are well-evidenced rebuttals by unimpeachable authorities pitched to the layman audience.
The best non-technical answer I can give to 'dangerous chemical shit in my medicines' stories is: look, drug companies are pill merchants. They'll exaggerate their pill's benefit, downplay side effects, lobby to get it more widely approved, bribe doctors to prescribe it, etc etc because that obviously makes them money. But a treatment that outright kills people, or gives more than the tiniest fraction of them horrible diseases, is not a commercial winner. No amount of cash makes up for an international scandal that brings fines, regulators and journalists down on them. Government/academia/the press also have a strong interest in preventing harm to patients even if pharma should try to cover it up. So you don't have to believe that pharma is good people, or know everything there is to know about pharmacology, to think that an FDA-approved drug in common usage is far more likely than not to be safe - or at the very fucking least will mess you up less than whatever it's treating. Much like in politics, there are checks and balances.
The response from some people will of course be 'not enough to trust it' or 'they're all in cahoots'. At that point I guess you can't really have a conversation any more - at least, not about medicine, because at that point you're arguing that the whole system is dysfunctional to the point of uselessness.
>inb4 I'm called a shill for effortposting about vaccines
No.1055288
>>1055286
>they're all in cahoots
I never understood this line of thinking. Two people can barely decide where to eat, yet somehow over a million people are able to seamlessly conspire with each other?
No.1055319
>>1055288
Because the idea that a million unrelated people can just make a million shitty decisions is much more terrifying, and theoretically easier to solve.
No.1055328
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>1055286
The only checks are how far people think they can get away with things.
No.1055329
>>1055121
>>1055123
>>1055238
>>1055253
>>1055268
>>1055286
>needing an education to do simple math
Here are the numbers you need to know
>The bodies tolerance level for a specific chemical based on relevant body weight usually
>the amount of chemical present in a specific shot
for example:
>Thiomersal (or Thimerosal) is a mercury compound used as a preservative used in some vaccines.
>the amount of Thimerosal in a prenatal flu shot
>the amount of mercury parts per million in Thimerosal, is it wholly or partially
>the proximate tolerance for a human body per pound/kilogram
>calculate tolerance level for fetus at projected weight
>compare calculated tolerance level versus amount of mercury in an injection
CDC lists stuff like tolerance levels per weight and the amount of Thimerosal in a shot, the only thing left is parts per million of free mercury.
If you want an even clearer answer find out what happens to the Thimerosal after it enters the body along with whether it leaves the body or not.
No.1055336
>>1055033
It never is.
>3rd pic
That's not how I talk about aboridinal children.
>>1055097
That Dahl image is really comfy.
No.1055347
>>1055286
>you're arguing that the whole system is dysfunctional to the point of uselessness.
No, I think that the people who control the system are actively out to suppress the population through any means necessary. I don't put anything past them when independent coroners routinely label two shots to the back of the head a suicide.
Again, I'll state for the thread that my point is not that vaccines absolutely are poison, because a lot of people seem to get that out of my comment. My point is simply that it's unfair to simply label anti-vaxxers as straight-up idiots.
As for my own take on the subject, I have a non-rhetorical question: Do you think that it's impossible or to fool a million well-educated professionals about the vaccines? Because I have to imagine that they themselves rely on information that must be based on rather expensive and specialized, years-long research.
No.1055348
>>1055319
>>1055288
If they have a perceived common interest, and a class of organizers, I think it's possible for a broad collaboration. Not without a few holes here and there, but I think it can be effective none-the-less.
Otherwise, how did we end up with the official narrative that all the races are all equally intelligent?
No.1055349
>>1055347
*impossible or prohibitively difficult
No.1055357
>>1055347
To be honest you'd have to be an idiot to blindly trust the system that advises you to cut part of a baby's penis for non existent reasons and green lights tranny shit.
No.1055359
>>1055347
>I think that the people who control the system are actively out to suppress the population through any means necessary
That's exactly what I mean. Your argument is that the drug safety system is dysfunctional because 'the people who control it are out to suppress the population' so it is useless for its stated purpose of stopping unsafe drugs. In order to convince you otherwise I'd have to change your view of those people, which isn't a question of medicine and is, as I said, just another argument over who you should and shouldn't trust.
>Do you think that it's impossible or prohibitively difficult to fool a million well-educated professionals about the vaccines?
No, I don't, but with provisos. Even among educated people there is groupthink, and a reliance on received wisdom. It's inevitable to a degree. Your doctor, for instance, doesn't have time to read every new scientific paper published in the field. It's literally impossible, they're published faster than a human could physically read them. At some point even a specialist will have to take someone's word on something. Fraud or errors can absolutely slip into general circulation, especially if the few people who are supposed to be gatekeepers screw up. Pharma tries very hard to insert itself into the conversation and get its own narrative out there, especially to professionals. They spend far more on advertising to doctors than to consumers. Misinformation can be spread, or good information withheld. The nonpublication of clinical trial results is a massive ongoing scandal that I recommend you read into.
However, I don't think it's possible to indefinitely hide drastic real-world consequences. Vaccines in particular are very widely prescribed and very high-profile drugs, not least because of the antivax movement. That means lots of eyeballs on them and a huge dataset of patients which investigators can use, increasing the chance that a study of the data would be done and would reveal what's really happening. Once a drug's in the wild you can no longer easily hide that it's dangerous or a dud.
Temporarily hiding minor consequences, though? Sure, they do that, although usually only on their real money-makers. Overstate how much a drug helps, or hide that it's a little worse than its competitors, or that it helps most people but hurts a few, or promote it for off-label usage (this one they do all the time because it's so damn lucrative). Small-time fuckery that still harms patients but not in easily noticed ways. As I said, pharma lies. Just look at the history of pharmaceutical fraud cases. But vaccines on the whole aren't lucrative enough to be worth even this little league stuff, and fraud above a certain level is always rare because you can't fool all of the people all of the time and there are knowledgeable ones who benefit from exposing it. So they run the small con, not the supervillain scheme.
Of course, anything is possible if you think they're all in cahoots.
No.1055360
>>1055283
>never mind all the rest of doctors all around the world that still approve of vaccine and arent doing circumcision
No.1055369
>>1055111
Yeah, it's definitely that and not anything to do with people being poisoned by them, especially not to the point of brain damage. It's also got nothing to do with the amazing track record of the US government when it comes to injecting people with things. Surely it's all just maniacal morons who hate living children. Did you author any of these comics?
No.1055386
>>1055369
You sound upset. Have some milk and maybe come back later?
No.1055401
>>1055281
Yeah, she recently got her Twitter deleted.
No.1055403
>>1055348
Thats applicable to just about any problem in the world.
How did X bad thing happen if Y demographic wasn't in cahoots?
Our brains are structured around pattern recognition. We don't want things going outside those patterns. Im not saying that there can't be collusion, and I keep myself open minded. But its a behaviour in yourself to watch out for.
Reality has a sort of way of picking up a terminal velocity. Bad habits follow bad habits, which lead to collapse.
Again I find myself strangely accepting of Anti-Vaxxers which is why I support their right not to do it even if I believe that furthers disease. Its similar as well with me and Flat Earthers. Not a flat earther but I believe them being the punching bag is unwarranted.
No.1055440
No.1055466
Choose a year between 1981 and 1999 and a month
No.1055492
>>1055466
November of '85.
No.1055501
>>1055498
The third one seems like it could have been published today.
No.1055622
>>1055401
Shame I like her stuff.
No.1055623
>>1055497
>1st pic
Ah yes it's not like those laws have been created to target minorities right?
No.1055638
>>1054118
Basically. Even Popper himself lster explained what he meant by "intolerants" (hint: he meant "those who won't fight on the same dialectical grounds than us, and had rather win by violence than by debating fair and square"), yet Twitter tankie retards think it means killing anybody with ideas they personally do not like. I have found Twatter imbeciles who claimed to be Popper connoiseurs, and yet applied the false social justice anglied on his paradox, because in reality, all they knew about Popper was that shitty infographic.
The entirety of his paradox quote here:
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/25998-the-so-called-paradox-of-freedom-is-the-argument-that-freedom
You may not agree with him if you are a free speech radical, but what he said is certainly more level headed than "kill all racists lol".
No.1055697
Request a year between 1981 and 1999 and a month
No.1055702
No.1056033
>>1055713
I unironically agree with the fifth one.
No.1056056
Another Year between '81 and 2000
Another Month
No.1056058
>>1055684
>fifth comic
It's funny cause it's true
No.1056078
>>1055716
>americans accusing Castro of being warmongering
No.1056099
No.1056100
No.1056104
>>1053925
>4th comic
Now I want the Banjo Kazooie swamp boots music with that one.
No.1056189
>>1056101
>the Dr. Robotnick edited into one of the cars
This truly is a work of art.
No.1056226
>>1056189
Its been around for a while.
No.1056240
>>1056120
>5
Is this aimed at the soviets or at us?
No.1056255
>>1056240
Minnesotans
Choose another year, choose another month
No.1056267
>>1056240
It's a play on the adage "that and a quarter will buy you a cup of coffee"
The point of which is that your accomplishments can't be used as leverage in an economy
No.1056277
>>1056189
>makes 3AM shitpost with proper reaction image
>post sends but file seems to be lost
>return to thread to find a completely different file has been posted
Ether I need to stop shitposting so late at night or code monkey needs to fix his slow ass site.
No.1057161
>>1053777
I think that I'm starting to understand why political cartoons are shit. There were never meant to stand on their own. They were meant to supplement a long opinion piece. Sometimes they are just there to provide some form of levity to a heavy difficult subject.
No.1057168
>>1055684
>3-4
ok those got a chukle out of me
No.1057169
>>1055684
>fourth one
shouldnt him say your granma?
No.1057189
Choose another year between 1981 and 2000 and another month
No.1057198
>>1055278
Professionals who've looked into it and concluded that vaccines might be having negative effects tend to have their careers ruined and their names dragged through the mud. See: Andrew Wakefield.
No.1057245
>>1053933
Roastie sighting confirmed.
No.1057255
>>1053961
>2nd pic
>I hate the voters, stupid flyovers won't vote for my people
>why don't we just show the stupid hicks what we think of them?
I hope they do this, it'd be like that moronic time that Biden said that he'd have beaten Trump up if they were both still in school.
No.1057263
>>1057198
You're right, my mom got autism after a botched vaccine that even left her right hand paralyzed. Now I've got autism too because it's genetic (and so do both my brothers)
I just wish people would be open to other ideas instead of closing their minds to everything that doesn't fit their precious, comfortable, science-driven views.
No.1057265
>>1057263
Wakefield tested with scientific methods. Doesn't matter. He didn't find the scientific result that was acceptable.
No.1057266
>>1057265
I was agreeing with you.
Have you seen the movie Vaxxed he made?
No.1057269
>>1057263
>>1057198
>>1057265
>>1057266
<ANDREW WAKEFIELD WAS THE VICTIM OF A SMEAR CAMPAIGN!
>independent researchers were unable to reproduce Wakefield's findings or confirm his hypothesis of an association between vaccines and autism
>investigation found that Wakefield took money from lawyers looking for evidence that could be used in lawsuits and manipulated data to provide it
>made up a condition associated with vaccines, Autistic enterocolitis, and planned to sell kits to diagnose the condition for use in lawsuits, plus associated products and developing a replacement vaccine
Wakefield was a snake-oil salesman. In fact, most anti-vaccination advocates are snake-oil salesmen using fear to get you to buy hokum cures for your non-existent illnesses.
No.1057273
>>1057263
>>1057198
>>1057265
>>1057266
>Andrew Wakefield was a victim!
>Vaccines are bad!
>I know because I watched Vaxxed!
What the fuck is this shit? Even reddit isn't this stupid. You guys are acting dumber than reddit right now.
Is this bait? I want this to be bait.
No.1057274
>>1057269
>I trust wikipedia
No.1057275
>>1057274
<i trust bullshit because i'm a retarded caveman
You deserve to die from preventable diseases.
No.1057278
>>1057275
You deserve to die to complications regarding vaccines, which happens several times a year, and gets swept under the rug by people who refuse to have conversations.
No.1057279
>>1057278
Yes, this is definitely bait,
No.1057280
>>1057278
It's really sad how these so-called "scientists" are actually much less scientific that even religious people (such as Blaise Pascal or Descartes). It's no wonder there's such a term as "the religion of science". I guess people will just follow what they're confortable in blindly instead of doing the research.
No.1057281
>>1057279
Look it up, smart man.
No.1057289
>>1057280
Is that comic made by the same guy who made the Bike Cuck comic?
No.1057291
>>1057280
>bike cuck giving that lesson
I'm not saying that he can't change his worldview but it would more accurate to his views if he made a spiky lump out the lies (my bike being stolen made the world a better place), baked it, and hugged it.
No.1057334
>>1057278
Source?
>>1057281
>Telling him to look it up
At least bring your own proof you lazy nigger. I'm not sifting through hundreds of conspiracy sites with no evidence just because you can't cite an actual scientific source.
No.1057362
>>1055032
>this whole vaccine argument was a tangent to the point that libshits use hypocritical arguments for them
No.1057365
>>1057362
and then someone hoped on it because it was easy material for bait. Quite a nasty thing to do.
Just in case you were wondering: the death rate after vaccinations is minimal. Less than a dozen in the last two decades.
Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4599698/
To be fair, deaths caused by measles are also pitifully low, also less than a dozen in the last two decades. But of course, that's because of the vaccine.
No.1057868
Maybe political comics need to be more subtle and cryptic.
No.1058317
>>1054060
It's pretty clear what the message is in the second image, you snarky liberal faggot.