No.1048294
http://archive.is/mQw8Z
>makes a show about multiverse adventures
>limits itself to an Earth high school and a generic kingdom
It really is for the best.
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No.1048295
Show should have died before all the shitty love drama.
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No.1048298
>>1048295
It should have died by episode 1. Shit's unfunny and annoying, though I might watch a Japanese dub, because I think Star's character design is really sexy for some reason.
>>1048295
I actually really enjoyed the cuckposting.
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No.1048302
>>>/cuckquean/
Fucking beta trannies.
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No.1048311
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No.1048312
>>1048298
>tfw actualy liked season 1 up until the deus ex unicorn
Should I be worried?
Anyway, glad it's ending instead of just getting progressively worse ad infinitum.
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No.1048332
Kind of expected it. Similar shows with that art style also have similar problems across all of them. Most of the time, the show peaks early and introduces a forced love triangle or gimmick but it's delaying the inevitable and they'll be forced to end it unsatisfactory. Can't say how Star has been recently since I dropped it unintentionally at the start of season 3 or halfway through it. Maybe it improved but I was starting to already lose interested as season 2 was ending.
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No.1048351
>>1048295
Its always been a pretty shit quality show, but cuckqueen posting with you guys and seeing all the star porn made it all worth it.
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No.1048354
>>1048294
I'm legitimately surprised that this shit lasted more than one season. I really underestimated the shit taste of tumblr.
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No.1048363
>>1048354
If you ever want to keep your shitty cartoon on air longer than it should be just add pointless relationship drama that goes nowhere and add paper thin lore.
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No.1048445
Reminder that the creator based Star and Marco off herself and her husband. Reminder that it will end with Marco fucking Hekapoo's brains out while Star watches.
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No.1048450
>>1048445
Really, because the dynamic very much felt like a "Dharma and Greg" rehash.
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No.1048510
>>1048509
Look up Bobby Miller and Daron Nefcy.
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No.1048536
>>1048510
>I don't have to educate you shitlord
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No.1048545
>>1048509
>>1048536
https://comicbook.com/2015/03/25/get-a-little-weird-and-wild-with-daron-nefcys-star-vs-the-forces/
Here's an interview where she states Star is based heavily on herself to give her flaws, and Marco is based slightly on her husband. A lot of her work has voyeuristic themes, shitdick.
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No.1048557
>>1048298
>because I think Star's character design is really sexy for some reason.
Finally someone who gets it. I shit on normalfags who say that lusting atfter 14 year olds is pedophilia. 14 year old females are biologically mature and I certainly won't call them "kids" if they've had multiple sexual partners already.
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No.1048559
>>1048558
Except it's that way in America? In Western Europe? Or even Eastern Europe nowadays outside of isolated rural areas?
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No.1048599
>>1048558
>implying it isn't the other way around
>>1048545
>I'm too inept to make a character so I'll just base it off of my real personal life.
I think this is a striking example of a lack of creativity, which is why it's so prevalent in these CalArts cartoons. I'm not saying it's wrong to draw:^) things from real life or even your personal life into your world (as long as you really know yourself well and can keep things interesting), but there generally should be more to it, and even when elements of characters in fiction are drawn from the creator's own personality, the actual character often ends up being more of a mishmash with other traits from other inspirations. Besides all that, I doubt she or any other of her fellow creators have the introspection needed to really understand themselves.
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No.1048622
>>1048558
>>1048599
The dividing line between the two isn't girls having sex at that age or not, it's whether it was with adults or their classmates.
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No.1048625
>>1048622
Can't have your cake and eat it too. Either girls that young shouldn't be having any sex or all sex is fine for them.
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No.1048626
I've never seen a thread crash and burn this hard before on all of 8chan.
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No.1048629
>>1048625
Virgins are always better but if you have to take sloppy seconds, the choice is obvious.
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No.1048644
>>1048622
I should have specified >>1048599, but my point was that first-world girls tend to be whorish, not so much third-world except for a relative handful of incest or trafficking victims.
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No.1048683
>>1048634
>summerfags
>in February
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No.1048792
>>1048599
Faust isn't even that hot.
>>1048626
You must be new here.
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No.1048919
>>1048798
Heh.
>>1048312
Well, there are people who still enjoy the last handful of shitty seasons of MLP, so maybe not?
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No.1049110
Kinda stopped watching after the meteoric dip on quality after the season 3 premiere when Marco had to break up with Jackie just because he was visiting Mewni, not only was it forced as shit back into a non-dilated anus, but the guy had dimensional scissors. What was stopping him from visiting Star every Friday or something. God that was retarded.
Season 3 premiere had some issues but was fun, shame they couldn't compensate for killing best villain.
Season 2 second half is the only objectively good this show has done, is guess season 1 and first half of 2 is for some people Like me.
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No.1050231
>>1048792
Yeah she is hot enough for a white person though
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No.1050243
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No.1050274
>>1049110
I always liked Ludo as the villain best, but Toffee actually felt dangerous. I hope they at least bring him back as the villain of the last season. Redemption would be stupid.
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No.1050275
>>1048798
Who's the self-hating faggot who made this comic page?
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No.1050787
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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No.1050788
Invidious embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>1050787
EVERY SUNDAY ON DISNEY CHANNEL STARTING WITH A DOUBLE EPISODE ON MARCH 10
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No.1050795
They really dropped the ball killing off toffee. He was the most intimidating villain they had and the love drama and politics didn’t really start until after he died showing they had no idea how to continue it. Yes someone will point out how it existed in some form before, but it didn’t go full throttle until after toffee got axed.
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No.1050797
The show had a strong start, peaked early in season 2 with the brilliant "Ludo in the Wild" episodes, then, after Toffee's demise, became a rambling exercise in pointlessness. Meteora was a crap villain with not an ounce of Toffee's chilling corporate evilness or Ludo's underdog appeal.
>>1048298
To me it's Jackie. God, that body. Hope they at least bring her back in S4.
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No.1051140
>>1048294
Unless they actually kiss by the end of it, it wasn't worth it.
The point of an obvious romance is to just get it over with, not to make us stick around like it's some soap opera worth building up to.
I guess that's how they earn their money…
Anyways, until then, we're stuck with this:
https://multporn.net/comics/between_friends
DISCRETION ADVISED
I'm actually 12, so it's ok…
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No.1051150
>>1051140
>just get it over with
>links 148 page porn comic
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No.1051231
>>1050278
why is the art so bad though… if a page of people talking looks so bad, I dont wanna see the rest.
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No.1051346
>>1050787
>>1050788
Why do promos have to be so shitty? Why can't they be creative with them without doing every fucking Hollywood ad cliche imaginable? Don't they realize what their marketing research tells them people enjoy becomes bland after awhile?
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No.1051395
>>1051140
I AM 12 AND WHAT IS THIS
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No.1051398
Why do plenty of western cartoons or plenty of oriental cartoons seem pretty bland compared to, say, Beowulf or the Mahābhārata or religious texts like the Bible? I can think of plenty of more interesting overall plots than a lot of these cartoons. I know most things tend to be shit or mediocre compared to a select few, but I just don't understand how they have trouble coming up with ideas when they've only used a handful, as in this case apparently.
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No.1051447
>>1051398
>old people fear new technology so visual entertainment gets held to a higher standard than books
>old people fear new things in general so new works in general are scrutinized more than old ones (rape is fine in ancient text but how dare you write a story with bondage)
>people still run with the stereotype that animation is mainly supposed to be for kids and use that as an excuse to ban anything too sexual
>religious fundamentalists call sacrilege if anything is too violent or epic
>on top of all this suffocation, Disney executives are so desperate to protect the brand that they're more afraid of making people angry rather than bored
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No.1051463
>>1051447
Oh please, it's not 2002.
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No.1051609
>>1051603
>Bro it's a cartoon it doesn't need to live up to the standards of other media it's like for entertainment/kids/shit.
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No.1051626
>>1051618
kill you're self and remove yourselve from the genie pool
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No.1051672
>>1051618
>expect something good from Disney
Well you got me there anon. I was expecting way too much especially in [CURRENT YEAR]+4
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No.1051718
>>1051398
Barely anyone watches cartoons anymore for networks to justify a budget that large, and even if they did, it still wouldn't be enough. Television is a cartel that is barely profitable by design, so there's no point in making a cartoon in the style of an epic if it's going to run at a loss.
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No.1051741
>>1051618
>Bro it's still just a drawing made by kids, like stop advocating for better standards in animation
Fuck off back to >>>/v/. Enjoy your incoming migrants thanks to Mark inviting them in.
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No.1051894
>>1051889
Take your board warring shit somewhere else.
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No.1051899
>>1051894
Kill yourself manchild for taking a children’s cartoon seriously
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No.1051907
>>1051618
>yes, you are retarded
Don't assume that >>1051609 is me, dolt.
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No.1051910
>>1051718
But there are plenty of ways (albeit risky in the eyes of entrepreneurs, which one would think would make the ideas even more appealing to them…) to produce good content and still make a profit. I guess my post was more a rhetorical complaint then a genuine question.
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No.1051911
>>1051603
*Also, Beowulf is not a novel, it is an epic poem.
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No.1052146
>>1051899
>/v/ermin calling anyone else a manchild
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No.1052720
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No.1052809
>>1051899
>>1052146
Gentlemen please, you are both trash.
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No.1052810
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No.1052923
>>1052043
Where did I say that?
>>1052042
Keep post history private, as per 8fag's global rules. Faggot.
That has absolutely fucking nothing to do with IDs. It's you're assumptive-ass's fault. Anons past weren't so assumptive, so there was normally no issue.
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No.1052993
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No.1053114
>>1052720
on a scale of fucked to fucked, how fucked is the episode?
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No.1053554
>>1052993
yes but RAPE star is preddy gud
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No.1053584
>>1052720
>Final
Good, its been stretched out far enough.
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No.1053588
>>1053114
If you think this is bad on later episodes star gets horny of a buff nigger chick.
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No.1053614
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No.1053616
>>1053614
The moment I saw those reverent things I though "oh, this is gonna be one of those subventions where they are actually the good guys".
I can't wait till subversive tropes become so decayed and mainstream that the classical fairy tale tropes become the new bleeding edge subversive culture again.
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No.1053635
>>1053588
there's also the unironic "smash the patriarchy"
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No.1053868
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No.1053872
>calarts cancer show has a lot of hype
>watch it, very surprisingly impressed
>it ends
>apparently similar show by what appears to be the same studio appears
>watch it too
REEEEEE!
WTF DID THIS PIECE OF INCOMPETENT PRETENTIOUS TRASH GET OVER A HUNDRED EPISODES AND COUNTING WHILE GRAVITY FALLS SUCCEEDED FLAWLESSLY IN EVERYTHING STAR FAILED ATTEMPTING BUT DIED WITHOUT A RIPPLE AFTER JUST 40!?
>show starts off with zero meaningful continuity or arc-based plotting ahead, and zero serious political ambitions on the writers' part, continuing in purely episodic "team rocket blasts off again!" episodes of beating up monsters with no tonal seriousness whatsoever
>during this period, there's an incredibly cringe-y throwaway thanksgiving day episode that describes the history of the princess's kingdom as analogous to burgerstan's, with them settling from the show never says elsewhere as colonists and driving out the poor widdle native monsters for muh oppreshunz. it also gives her kingdom an inexplicable obsession with corn, which remains their sole distinctive cultural characteristic for the remainder of the show
<if taken at face value, it also seems to imply that real-life europeans in medieval europe historically popped up from pure vacuum in outer space or whatever if taken at face value
>this episode is throwaway, so the writers don't pay anything in it the slightest mind, but i immediately knew on watching that it was going to cause the writers huge problems down the road
>princess is a huge spoiled thot whose primary passtimes are partying, clubbing, buying frivolous stuff, and making messes. all of her friends are the same except worse. male lead is the only somewhat responsible character, but is portrayed as an inveterate loser and a total beta in a very unsympathetic way not to mention he's a literal cuckold, but there's plenty of agonizing cuckoldry and cuckqueening to go around for every character of both sexes and every age
>later (like, WELL INTO season two) the writers start hurriedly cobbling together a metaplot from mismatched random silly elements of earlier episodes, and turn it into something serious, with basically zero planning going into the effort
>centers around muh poor monsters who need more corn gibs for muh projects and dindunuffin cuz they had it hard growin up, even as comedic evil acts of monsters linger in a way the show completely fails to comment on in an intentionally aware way
>the kingdom of which the protagonist is a princess is an absolute feudal monarchy, and not the cuddly sparkles and unicorns kind. the peasants are portrayed as desperately poor, filthy, and diseased, with the show making constant harsh jokes at their expense for the crimes of being dirty literal peasants, while the princess and her family repeatedly bankrupt the kingdom for giant parties and traveling to magical interdimensional dance clubs
>the princess's primary reform on ascending to a "responsible and mature" position as an active member of the ruling monarchy is… an equal rights movement for monsters
>song literally refers to her as a "rebel princess"
>numerous other annoying points, like the strongest father figure in the series being an adoptive parent, and the male lead getting a massive boost in manliness/confidence/experience/maturity in a timeskip episode that gets thrown away and never mentioned again by its end
>final arc for season 3 is about how the protagonist's legendary super evil ancestor ackshually dunduniffin, her corrosive brainraping evil magic is totally innocent, and a forgettable comedic throwaway character is the superior lifeform, born of super hot monster sex (cheating on her husband) that got both of them exiled, excommunicated, sealed in a magical crystal, and wiped from history, boohoo. also a bunch of peasants were stomped on but who cares
>opening song lyrics for season 3 literally began "she's a rebel princess"
And that's just the show's political problems. EVERY element of the show is frustratingly flawed, and every iota of potential completely wasted. It just boggles my mind.
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No.1053885
>>1053872
>>1053881
Both are Disney XD junk with unlikeable female protagonists. I will concede that Gravity Falls is the better show of the two though.
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No.1053890
>>1053881
He didn't say that, and don't just make another shitpost in response, try to explain your reasoning. This isn't social media.
>>1053872
Learn to format. Contrary to popular belief, greentext is harder to read, and is a poor way of properly conveying something, as the thinking one does as he writes something out in that format is more simplistic (that goes for all the stupid jargon as well, one of which, "thot", is a foreign word that doesn't belong here; "roastie" means the same thing, if you must use jargon).
Also, off-topic, but Gravity Falls could have been a lot better. I still need to catch up, but from what other anons said around the time it ended, it had gotten worse, especially as Mabel got away with shit she should not have (apparently, Hirsch based her off his sister; there's an image about it, but I don't have it on me, so take that with a grain of salt, though I will say that it compounds with >>1048599 ).
>>1053885
Lord forbid they do something interesting with this form.
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No.1053906
>>1053881
>>1053885
Yeah, GF wasn't perfect in every way, but everything it put serious effort into, it succeeded at marvelously. The deepest and shallowest parts of the backstory were plotted out with incredible care, the characters had solid developmental arcs, there are little bits of foreshadowing and symbolism densely sprinkled throughout the show (the killer example, for me, was the totem pole), seemingly unrelated characters/events/locations from older episodes are carefully integrated into later ones, plus both the show and individual episodes seamlessly blend comedic and dramatic elements. Beyond that, the show is just well executed. The dialog is good, the jokes are funny, the visual design (artstyle aside) is imaginative and compelling, the characters are genuine and appealing, and what messages or agenda the show carries are tasteful and sincere.
>>1053890
Sorry, my autistic rage at this dumpsterfire of a cartoon's persistence got the better of me. Also, the main problem with Star vs. is quite simply its lack of adherence to any coherent authorial intent I could draw broader patterns from, so the only way to really engage with it is to list its innumerable fuckups one at a time.
It's so obvious that the show was never intended to have an arc-based plot, character development, (in spite of the name) any serious villains and heroes, nor any depth to the setting, all of which irreparably turned the show into a hodgepodge of ill-fitting bits and pieces. But even in the initial episodes that weren't trying to be serious, every early element is so badly fumbled. The characters are introduced as a given bundle of stereotypes, but immediately fall into something else they they never really move on from (Star is sold as a scrappy warrior tomboy, but is instead a fageoisie city girl; Marco is supposed to be a nebbishy stick-in-the-mud, but is willing to go along with pretty much anything and situationally a powerful athlete). The tone of the show constantly drops the ball both inventing and exploiting ideas, too, for instance with Star's lolsorandumb narwal bacon spells, which should be indicitive of her creative sponteneity in lieu of the "proper" old spells in the book, but are instead reused and made mundane to the extent they are characterized as literal punchclock office drones inside the wand.
Like the OP said, can you imagine if they really did a trippy, imaginative show about transdimensional adventure, something like a kiddy Chronicles of Amber?
>from what other anons said around the time it ended, it had gotten worse, especially as Mabel got away with shit she should not have
It was pretty clearly stated that Mabel still had more growing up to do than Dipper by the finale, and Dipper's saving her from childish solipsism was portrayed as a triumph against the exact bitter falling out that nearly doomed their uncles before them.
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No.1053965
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No.1053968
>>1053616
>I can't wait till subversive tropes become so decayed and mainstream that the classical fairy tale tropes become the new bleeding edge subversive culture again.
That happened decades ago.
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No.1053975
>>1053965
Yeah, I've heard of that. I seriously have no idea how that's supposed to work in live-action, even with a colossal special effects budget.
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No.1054013
>>1053906
What episodes would you recommend watching? I'm curious for reasons….
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No.1054014
>>1054013
*To specify, episodes that might be needed if one was to try to get an understanding for the world, however contradictory.
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No.1054045
>>1053906
My beef with gravity falls is the ending's cop out. It took all the pathos out of it. Like there's never any consequences. I get that this is a kid's show, but still.
Spoiler: They still could have sailed the world even if Stan didn't get all his memories back.
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No.1054049
>>1054013
Key episodes that caused problems for the writers and illustrated their shortcomings:
>s1e7a
This would set a pattern for a lot of other episodes about monsters being comedically Always Chaotic Evil, particularly Buff Frog, that clashed terribly with later attempts at dindunuffin characterization.
>s1e10
Here's where the heinous superpowered tragic villain of the 3rd season was recycled from, a cookiecutter random shallow joke character for a forgettable throwaway episode! Also, why DOESN'T Marco just reveal he's a dude surrounded by naughty cockstarved princesses?
>s1e11a
The start of the halfhearted Very Important Message™ "Mewni=Amerikkka+Crusader States" wokeness
>s1e13
This season finale, as with everything later that's supposedly momentous in the show, has the good guys (usually Star) fucking up, "losing something forever", and then it comes back better than ever a few episodes later.
>s2e1b
A perfect example of the show's incompetence. This is sort of what it should normally be, except it just proves the writers can't reliably even hack an average Samurai Jack episode.
>s2e2b
Sure, Marco is supposed to be pathetic, but apparently he can't he even have his martial arts. Even his teacher has to be turned into an emasculated manchild too.
>s2e5a
Wow, an extended scene about how great liberal democracy is. I'll bet this won't feel REALLY AWKWARD in retrospect if the show ever decides to try taking itself seriously.
>s2e16b
Probably the worst continuity fuckup in the entire series. Just unbelievable. Even the timeworn "partial amnesia" gimmick would've papered it over if they really wanted to do this episode without giving Marco any character growth.
>s2e20b
The cuckshit starts in earnest. It just goes on and on from here with characters in relationships kissing other people, and breaking up for no adequately explained reason.
>s2e21
The show finally decides to start taking itself seriously, and there is soooo much tonal baggage that has to be dumped. First among these, if Ludo is an actual threat, why wasn't he stomped flat back in the single-digit episodes when he was pestering Star every day?
>s3e6b
Eclipsa is revealed, with each revelation making her lamer and lamer. Also, the unquestionably dangerous and corrupting nature of her magic is recharacterized as schizophrenically as possible.
>s3e7b
Probably the most widely hated episode of the series in-fandom. Why not have a long distance relationship? The scissors, the cellphones, the portals, the mirrors… It just goes on and on. Leaving aside the plotholes, what about the storysmithing angle, why throw away everything you've spent whole arcs characterizing, just for more pointless, agonizing cuckshit?
>s3e17a
I've already gone on and on about the show's inconsistent characterization of "monsters", but this episode actually has a brief moment of self-awareness, when it admits that other kangdoms on equal standing with Star's (demons from hell, floating unicorn heads, pigeons squatting in a random empty castle, etc.) are completely indistinguishable from them.
>s3e19a
Broader context of the show aside, this is probably the worst episode in the series, standalone. Boring, stupid, pointless.
>s3e21
What an absolute shitshow. Glossaryck "j-j-j-just pretending to be retarded!" takes the cake.
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No.1054050
>>1054013
(continued)
Episodes I actually really liked:
>s1e9a
Wacky, creative, and otherworldly, like the inside of a Salvidor Dali painting.
>s3e36b
Moon is about a thousand times better than Star as a protag. Young!Toffee (let's name our sooper spoopy character something randumb, how cuhraaazy! Ugh) is a way better villain than anything in any other arc. Eclipsa is still ambiguously (and sparsely) characterized enough to feel potentially cool. About the only quibble I had was young!River being meek and dainty, in direct contrast to both his adult personality, and the rest of his family as shown in every other episode, being rowdy fur-clad barbarians.
>s3e7a
Cuckshit aside, the depiction of therapy as painful, slow, difficult, but useful, viewed in contrast to the daily agony of dysfunction itself, was refreshing. It felt far more sophisticated and heartfelt than the show usually does on "serious" issues, pulling zero punches without tripping over its own feet. Probably because the creators and their friends are all psych cases in and out of therapy lifelong IRL. Note that I myself have never been on that end of it, but some of my family were professional shrinks and other related health workers.
>>1054045
To be fair, the impermanence of its effects were presaged in earlier episodes, but I agree it did detract from the finale's emotional impact. Also, even done well that sort of thing tends to be controversial. One example I found impressively brilliant, but a lot of people got super buttmad over, was Fullmetal Alchemist's manga/Brotherhood finale, when the souls of Amestris were put back into their bodies by a counter-transmutation using the moon's shadow, and especially when Ed avoided using others' souls to restore Al, by sacrificing his own alchemical gate.
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No.1054053
>>1054050
>s3e36b
Oops, should be
>s3e1b
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No.1054055
>>1054050
The FMA finale was brilliant on multiple levels. It worked within the rules of the world didn't feel like an ass-pull, more like surprising outside-the box thinking, that makes perfect sense once you saw it , and it also served a story perspective, sacrificing the macguffin powers and emphasizing Ed's growth trough interpersonal connection and hardship . Most importantly, the effects stuck. The sacrifice was permanent. Ed got his brother back, but lost his alchemy (which at the beginning he considered his defining trait) and leg. An he's ok with that. . That made it great. "What do you mean lower myself? That's the only thing I've ever been, just a simple human that couldn't save a little girl, not even with alchemy".
Dunno why, but I feel like Wander over Yonder would have also done things right. Just seemed like that kind of show. Too bad that one got canceled.
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No.1054057
>>1054055
Yeah, that Amestris souls thing can be considered a bit of a stretch, but it cost Hohenheim's souls/life force and lifetimes of work to make that work. I think it gets a pass.
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No.1054295
S4e3:
Eclipsa : muhahahaha! I am casting evil spells.
Star: don't be evil. Evil is bad. We cant friends if ur evil.
Eclipsa : I am sad youre sad. You are right.
Star: wohoo! I am mature. Look at me adulting.
*insert Tomarco gay shit in background*
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No.1054440
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No.1054454
>>1054295
Isn't this the average Steven Universe boss fight, minus a song?
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No.1054529
>>1054440
>Yadda Yadda Berries
Eclipsa din do nuthing. It's the mewmans that are evil and sneaky with their assassination attempts (yadda berries turn whoever eats them to stone). Eclipsa even forgives them. Watchable because Star tries to solve the "case" of who did it, she and Marco go on adventure.
>Down by the river
Opens with mewmans living in giant monster house with giant furniture having to move out because Eclipsa gave all the former monster property back to the monsters.
<Yeah, perfect parallel to muricans. They didn't build civilization and architecture on murica, they just stole it. It was already there lol.
Then the moving mewman family meet (former) king River (totally retarded) and Moon living near a river. Then it gets so boring I couldn't watch anymore.
Welp, I'm out.
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No.1054532
>>1054529
No anon-kun don't leave.
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No.1054534
>>1054532
I'll be back in 8 years to shitpost when the new season of Venture Bros comes out.
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No.1054574
>>1054534
Godspeed, anon, I hope many good shitposts await.
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No.1055444
The last two episodes we're especially cringy.
Also, leave it to a commiefornian woman to think up a world that has no money and runs on violence.
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No.1055488
Star Vs Forces of Evil destroyed everything that was good in the early seasons had build.
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No.1055505
>>1055488
I think the worst part is how good the dynamic was between Star and Marco when they were just friends without any romance drama. Why break something that wasn't broken?
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No.1055616
>>1054534
Yeah, seeing how fucking slow the writers are making Venture Bros. it will take at least 8 or more years, sucks that i might not be alive to see the next season seeing how sluggish it is to arrive. Well see ya by then if that happens.
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No.1055696
>>1055616
Il take slow quality over fast garbage.
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No.1055734
>>1055505
I mean I do desire sexual tension in later seasons but it just sucked
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No.1055738
>>1055734
I think the biggest problem is Disney. You can have a soul-sucking villain but you have to show everything is back to normal after their defeat. You can have love triangles but whoever gets hurt has to talk about it and agree to be friends. Hell, even Glossaryck's death was too much so they brought him back as a retarded dog. Same problem as Stan's mind-wipe in Gravity falls, any points of drama have to be heavily subdued.
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No.1055922
Todays batch of new episodes. Unsurprisingly the worst episode in this set is the only one to feature the two main characters, and that's coming from someone who likes Star and Marco.
https://mega.nz/#!vUAV3Kra!R-PXkxk53y0uGFBLIujBYmnhBmWEgjXe2glnSMIcVL8
https://mega.nz/#!6QY1TaSD!AbMGrMpjcQt0gNfB0oufRqGOwBmU6Rr_AZLxUYQbeDM
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No.1055973
>>1055922
I hope we see a really competent evil Ludo by the end of the show. Hes really the best part about this entire thing.
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No.1055990
>Star could get hurt
>"lol fuck it, who cares"
well its obvious nefcy stopped caring
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No.1056027
>>1055990
Of course, what good parent would send their child to an alternate dimension fro schooling?
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No.1056299
>>1056027
Kim Jong Un was schooled in the west, so…
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No.1056870
Ill be honest, The episodes this week were so forgettable that I actually forgot that I watched them until I sat down to do it again.
The knight one was way better than the kidnapping one, but that is not a very high bar.
The episode with Janna and Tom had a good moral I guess? Janna didnt seem to learn anything at all, but Tom moved past his relationship with Star to do something on his own at the end. Still not that great.
The spells episode was meh. I dont like characters that passive and whiny very much, and the new spells were giant dicks despite it being sort of reasonable in the situation. They could have been more forthcoming with the situation but I guess that was the point.
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No.1057078
>>1048295
Season 1 was the only good thing about this shitshow. The only good thing to come after that was the cuck memes. >>1048298
>>1048557
>>1048298
Its because she's a tumblrized Lum with blonde hair.
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No.1057261
>>1057078
>Season 1 was the only good thing about this shitshow.
Season 1 was 50% terrible
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No.1057409
>>1055738
>Hell, even Glossaryck's death was too much so they brought him back as a retarded dog.
Glossaryck was never meant to be perma-dead in the first place.
The voice actor, Jeffrey Tambor, got me-tooed and thus, according to SJW religious doctrine, had to be ceremonially unpersoned, exiled, and never allowed to have gainful employment ever again.
Temporarily "vanishing" Glossaryck and then bringing him back in a state where all he can do is say one word was done to ease viewers into the new voice actor, Keith David.
Granted, replacing a white man who played a trans woman with a black one who recently voiced a gorilla wasn't the most progressive thing they could come up with, but it was such short notice…
Of course, then they fucked up the transition by having one of the characters lampshade the voice change in-show.
Because they're cringey morons.
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No.1057702
Man, I was holding out some sort of hope that Globgor was going to be some sort of closet human eater or something.
But no, they can have the cheating queen and the giant man eater monster do no wrong, and the villain is going to be the super human monster defense crazy lady.
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No.1057714
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No.1057754
Should I bother watching this? I've heard good things about it but I don't know anything about it other than the main villain is the best character and Star turns into a four armed purple creature in one episode
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No.1057760
>>1057754
You missed the golden age of shitposting for the show, so you wont have much time for that. The age of Cuckposting has passed.
As far as the show goes, its utterly average for most of its run, and utter trash for the rest. It has a few good episodes, but the plots dont go anywhere, or are ended badly.
I watch it mostly out of the sense of obligation to finish, but this last season has just been bad.
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No.1057784
>>1057409
Classic Pony fag telling fabrications because they cant tell time.
"Book Be Gone" aired July 15, 2017
"Rest in Pudding" the episode where they brought him back was November 6, 2017
He was accused by #metoo in october and his voice was used all the way through season 3 which includes him speaking normally by the end of season 3.
>Temporarily "vanishing" Glossaryck and then bringing him back in a state where all he can do is say one word was done to ease viewers into the new voice actor, Keith David.
This shows you don't have a clue and you should fuck off and stop misleading people like a retard.
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No.1057785
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No.1057793
>>1057702
>when the author of the story and implicit God of your Universe gives you no choice but to be a cuck.
Seriously, that felt cheap. I mean, even for SVTFOE. You know it's bad when even fanfics do a better job of seeming more even-handed.
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No.1058450
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No.1058451
>>1058450
Delete the other thread faggot.
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No.1058456
>>1058451
I'm not the one who made that thread
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No.1058464
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No.1058467
>>1058450
I puked a bit in my mouth since they made Jackie a carpet munching dyke! God i hate this show after the first season!
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No.1058518
>>1058467
>>1058464
I know, anons, I know.
I just like watching the dumpster fire now, for the sake of seeing it burn out.
Who is even left to ruin at this point?
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No.1058523
>>1058467
>tacos
Real subtle.
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No.1058543
>>1058518
>Who is even left to ruin at this point?
ludo
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No.1058546
>>1058450
why
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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No.1058556
>>1058450
I fucking hate the French
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No.1058557
>>1058543
I hope Ludo wins tbh
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No.1058559
>>1058556
Reminder that this is based. Tough they gave him a permanent tan in the latter seasons.
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No.1058560
>>1058559
He looks like a nigger.
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No.1058567
>>1058560
Fuck off, tristepin is cool
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No.1058569
>>1058560
He almost died in a desert and his skin turned to leather. He was a white dude originally.
Also, fuck you, Lop brain is a great guy.
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No.1058570
>>1058543
Please no, Ludo was always the best part of the show!
If he's not lovably incompetent and bumbling after his single minded pursuit of power, he's not Ludo.
He can be wiser, sure of himself, and still a dedicated evil idiot.
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No.1058631
>>1058556
The french have always been shady and very rude before they let the mudslimes took over their own country even after all these years they STILL give up so easily.
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No.1058678
>>1058450
>eating tacos
They're not even being subtle about it now days.
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No.1058679
>>1058560
And his kids are all white.
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No.1058689
Today, I will remind them.
I wish Jackie just disappeared, this is a destiny worst than dead.
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No.1058717
>>1058678
Nope they are fully aware they love spreading degeneracy just for sending the message that they hate straight people.
>>1058689
Same, sometimes i wished Jackie would have disappeared after that forced brake up now the whole show is all about shitting on Marco and now this cunt turned Jackie into something she isn't just to push her gay agenda because fuck straight people am i right? This is what SJW's do they destroy established things just for the sake of agenda pushing.
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No.1058891
There is what, two or three weeks left of this before we can put it to bed and never think about it again?
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No.1058907
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
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No.1058984
>>1058450
>>1058689
>occidental kiddy show with cross demographic appeal
>creators get sucked into the YA fanfic Tumblrina bubble, think they can add romance focus in spite of no proven experience writing it
>decide that "love story" means "love triangle(s)"
>preexisting relationships end up completely FUBAR after clumsily plugging and ripping apart every permutation of the dramatis personae at random
>wallpaper over the wreckage by pasting DUHVIRSITY onto last-second "resolutions" of leftover character's love lives
>immune to mockery thanks to shrieking swarm of SJWs and their whipped white knights
Welp, at least they didn't pair her up with Star, like Avatar did.
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No.1058985
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No.1059064
>>1058679
to be honest biology doesn't wok in wakfu
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No.1059095
>>1059064
Isn't the explanation for the different races in Wakfu something along the lines of "There is only one actual race, humans, but the outward appearance is determined by which god blesses them at birth"?
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No.1059099
>>1059095
but what if the parents worship a different god than the other?
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No.1059101
>Star.vs.the.Forces.of.Evil.S04E17.Sad.Teen.Hotline.Jannanigans.1080p.WEBRip.AAC.2.0.x264-SRS.mkv 801.4 MB
https://mega.nz/#F!e2gjCATS!FNEqBUbTNGfAIstwhNdajg?a7YgWCQR
>Star.vs.the.Forces.of.Evil.S04E18.Mama.Star.Ready.Aim.Fire.1080p.WEBRip.AAC.2.0.x264-SRS.mkv
https://mega.nz/#F!e2gjCATS!FNEqBUbTNGfAIstwhNdajg?zvBwiaDY
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No.1059105
>>1059099
I am not an expert in this so I don't know the details of their lore.
>>1059101
I actually didnt mind this weeks episodes nearly as much as I disliked last week's episodes. I dont mean to say that they were anything special, but at least they were trying to have fun and accomplish something without virtue signaling and being completely stupid.
It is disheartening that an utterly average episode is a nice change of pace for the show.
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No.1059113
Star Vs Whatever was never good. It was just a waifunigger show . Same goes for Loud House.
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No.1059143
>>1059095
From what I've seen in Wakfu, races (more like species) are created by the Gods, where each god is the archetype for his race. Ie. the prime example that represents the most defining characteristics of his race. Also, unlike irl, half-breeds don't exist. When parents are of different species/race, you either get the physiognomy of one or the other, with no in-betweens.
So they're basically just a substitute for different personality types of the same race.
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No.1059177
>>1059143
>half-breeds don't exist
okay but what about Bush Squale and his penguin son?
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No.1059178
So like what's the point of this bit with Mina.
I doubt they'll have her win kill off/chase out Eclipsa and expel the monsters. So of course she'll fail.
She'll fail and the council's role gets exposed. So what is Hekapoo going to suddenly change her attitude to monsters (since she's more or less the only one among them who Marco really trusts)?
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No.1059193
>>1059177
penguin in a shark costume
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No.1059195
>>1059192
As I pointed out in >>1054049 the show itself sort of acknowledged this in s3e17a with regard to the other kingdoms, and of course (due to the entire show's complete lack of forethought, combined with the clumsiness which the "message" of the continuity-based "main" "plot" was glued onto the show) nothing came of it.
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No.1059202
>>1059192
>>1059195
I'm sure the idea is that the likes of Tom and Hekapoo are accepted since they're either more human looking/attractive (or at least goofy but not scary/grotesque) looking than the likes of Ludo and Co. (who are all some combo of scary/grotesque) or they don't do anything that's unacceptable within multiverse society like Eclipsa's dark magic (at least not publicly). One of the show's makers even posted about how Tom had privilege since he can easily pass as a mewman.
Even then, my question still stands. I have yet to see anything that would the council change their stance (especially not Hekapoo) towards Ludo-style monsters.
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No.1059203
>>1059202
Of course, I'll also point that it makes the fantasy racism/Fantasy Murica subplot they've had going fall apart since we don't really see signs that the council would oppose Ludo-style monsters if they made an honest attempt to follow their rules before the Trump Derangement Episodes. H-Poo even had a birdman as one of her henchmen with no signs of her covering it up. It's less that they hate them just for what they are and at least they hate the lot just as much for how they act.
Of course, this is a rather recurring problem of fantasy waycism plots. It's like how in X-Men we're repeatedly shown that Mutants ARE a danger from how overpowered they are but we're still supposed to see attempts to regulate them and/or monitor them as one step into another Shoah.
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No.1059271
>>1059178
It is just another "Racism is bad 'mmmkay? and if you cant get with the times you are a racist old person" bit for virtue signaling. It has about the same amount of forethought and planning as the rest of the show, IE none.
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No.1059360
>>1048294
>Star vs. the Forces of Evil Ending With Season 4
Good riddance Cuckqueen.
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No.1059385
Lydia's family was a part of the Kingdom and only got kicked out when Ludo tried to conquer everything.
So monster just means enemy or untrusted foreigner. Mewman, however, is used as a racial term only.
Funny how that works out.
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No.1059426
>>1059385
So monsters are supposed to be indians/nigs/fags/whatever but with more oppression points to these retarded writers, yet they're unintentionally showing that Mewmans are the oppressed ones? I mean what the fuck were they thinking with this parallel? Especially in regards to fucking monsters. Do the writers not check their "world building" thoroughly? Also I like how they ignored how fucked up it was that Star freed everyone at that princess school/prison despite being filled with face eating psychos and that the pony head actually belonged there for being a violently possessive bitch.
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No.1059435
>>1059426
If the writers had any historical inclination whatsoever, they would've done something sensible, like ASoIaF's fairly blatant analogy for Britain being invaded by the Celts, then the Romans/Angles/Jutes/Saxons, and finally the Normans. Instead, they just took burger history and pasted it over a generic D&D hand-me-down fantasy setting in a joke episode.
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No.1059438
>>1059385
They just use monsters for whatever they need. Sometimes they're a stand-in for Amerindians. Another time they're the Muslims (or being generous, heretics) to the Mewini's Crusaders analogue.
Again, the idea looks to be that the likes of Lydia or Tom or even Hekapoo are accepted since they're all either cute or goofy-looking or don't dabble in forbidden magic or at least are well-connected enough to buy their way in. Tom was allowed to court Star while Globgor wasn't allowed to court Eclipsa.
>>1059435
Of course they do. The showrunners are Americans who only see through an American/Progressive History lens.
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No.1059441
I'll also point that the Magic Book of Spells apparently confirmed that indeed Tom's folk and the Pony Heads are monsters who allied with the Mewmans through the efforts of a past king. Which is nice to know, but doesn't really make the writing better.
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No.1059637
It's embarrassing how hard they're trying to both push Starco (to the point of cheaply tying up Marco's romance loose ends in Jackie and Hekapoo) AND push Mina with the MHC as the next big villain.
The first one is just silly in how it's obvious the writers must have realized Marco doesn't really have enough interactions with Star as a beloved lady rather than just a gal-pal/sister figure so they had stuff like Hekapoo and Kelly making a support group alongside Jackie telling Marco she's not worth it just so they can brush aside Marco's obvious interest in other girls than Star (he even knows Hekapoo for over a decade).
The 2nd one is taking a joke character and forcing into the next big villain while effectively turning the MHC into dastardly "Nazis" trying to Shoah the monsters.
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No.1059641
Disney sucks. This is a shill post..
Why, cause who fuck likes disney cartoons?
Miley Cirus.. Fucking shill..
Disney cartoons suck.. They are not new but propaganda cartoons to make you hate white people..
This is an example why marvels new movie is being plugged here.
You learning.
It is a clown world and your getting clowned..
I am an independent.
sub me
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2T6tZ6h6rAIElj7VcDUoiA?view_as=subscriber
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No.1059661
>>1059385
>only got kicked out when Ludo tried to conquer everything
that's not what happened
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No.1059732
>>1059661
Doesn't make his post any less spot-on. The fantasy waycism ongoing subplot is forced and poorly designed for what was noted here >>1059438 and here >>1054049.
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No.1059779
Where are this weeks episodes on the Mega? I want to watch them and complain damn it!
Seriously, though, thanks to Mega anon for putting high quality episodes out there for us.
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No.1059807
>>1059641
reported your youtube channel :)
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No.1059814
This is going to end with star committing matricide.
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No.1059818
>>1059817
Absolutely none of this feels like a satisfying conclusion and that they aren’t pulling this out of their asses.
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No.1059824
>Moon is a villain
Do we take that as a concession that even the showrunners knew that Mina and the MHC would have made lousy final villains (one is too much of a joke character, the other has the problem where being a cabal of schemers plotting to Make Mewni Great Again is out of character). As forced as it is, having Moon be the finale at least has the points where she can believably threaten Star and has the obvious personal connection.
>>1059818
It's been like that awhile.
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No.1059848
Let’s take a breather of shipping wars and discussions of who was in the wrong in a made up kingdom that can’t decide if is a medieval shithole or fantasy world with smartphones, and let’s talk about why the story took such a nose dive.
Season 1 and 2 had the story showing a good vs evil plot with a little more depth as the series went on. The monster/mewman situation was more complicated that it seemed, sure you had characters like Toffee and Ludo trying to take over the kingdom, but also good monsters that where genuinely fucked over by the newmans risking their lives just for a few grains of corn. Ironically now that the show tries to tackle more complex issue that simply Good vs evil, it became more flat and cartoonish that before. While Toffee and Ludo where cartoonish villains they had more depth that what you initially thought, in contrast now the show is trying to make the antagonist more wooden and two dimensional so the narrative can be as Black and White as possible. Making multiple character assassination so the story can have “badguys” that we couldn’t possible side with. The whole mess is for a race metaphor that doesn’t even work. We don't actually have a main character that is a monster in this whole racism situation. Nor Ludo or Buff Frog really cared about that. As it is, we have 4 white girls fighting to decide what to do with an entire population of "minorities" instead of the monster actually deciding what they want to do.
That is far from the best thing they could have done if they really wanted to push a racial diversity narrative. And the show suffers for that.
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No.1059855
>>1059848
Tell us more on how they should have just ended the series with Toffee's death and saved Eclipsa, Globgor, and maybe Meteora for a follow-up movie.
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No.1059868
>>1059848
>Let’s take a breather of shipping wars and discussions of who was in the wrong in a made up kingdom that can’t decide if is a medieval shithole or fantasy world with smartphones, and let’s talk about why the story took such a nose dive.
Largely since it still can't make up its mind if it's a parody of European fairy tales, DnD style fantasy, and magical girl animu or some serious exploration of them that applies progressive politics.
>Season 1 and 2 had the story showing a good vs evil plot with a little more depth as the series went on. The monster/mewman situation was more complicated that it seemed, sure you had characters like Toffee and Ludo trying to take over the kingdom, but also good monsters that where genuinely fucked over by the newmans risking their lives just for a few grains of corn.
The Fantasy Waycism angle is tainted by how we have characters like Tom and Hekapoo and Raventalon who are obviously not Mewmans yet don't really suffer that badly from the mentioned Fantasy Waycism. They've tried to address it in out-of-show sources like tumblr and Magic Book of Spells (like saying Tom's accepted how he is since his family are allied with the Butterflies) but that opens another problem (needing such sources to answer questions). The monsters being a mess of representation (they're Amerindians in one episode and other episode they with Eclipsa are the heretics to Mewman's Christians/Crusaders) and what >>1054049 said.
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No.1059870
>>1059732
>Doesn't make his post any less spot-on.
If you're wrong you're not right, that's the definition of being wrong.
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No.1059871
>>1059870
This isn't cuckco.
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No.1059876
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No.1059880
I've spent more time jacking off to webm related then watching this shit.
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No.1059884
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No.1059927
>>1059880
Well… at least its time better spent than watching this shitty excuse for a cartoon.
>>1059876
And so the only good thing about this shitshow finally dies, the cuckquean memes.
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No.1060030
>Starco
Forced.
>Muh dastardly council/queen
Just scapegoating. Ignores the Septarsis cult too. Since they don't fit the narrative being Monsters who don't want to share with Mewmans but rule Mewni themselves.
>Kill Magic
Just more "DA HERITAGE IS ALL PRIVILEGE SO IT NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED."
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No.1060031
>>1059927
The cuckquean memes have been dead for a long while now.
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No.1060055
>Toffee with Ludo was really the only remotely done well enough villain
How come 8co? What did they have?
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No.1060056
>>1060055
Ludo was a fun and comically inept villian that you love to hate, with single minded devotion and insanity that make him so heartless and black it's a caricature, with emotional issues piled up on top of that adding to how pathetic you see him as. On top of all if this, he has delusions of grandeur due to overlording a group of even more pathetic and incompetent mooks who are none the less super powered and dangerous. Perfect villian if his archetype.
Toffee is the other side of the coin. Hyper competent and insidious, his schemeing and regenerative powers shown against Ludo make him a very effective villian. His single mindedness toward his goal and emotional instability are effectively on par with Ludo, highlighting the comical aspects with a sinister air and making you take him very seriously. Very effective villian.
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No.1060068
>>1060056
Thread reminder that Toffee belonged to a land/kingdom with an organization devoted to subverting Mewni. You will not hear this in the show.
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No.1060149
Now that we all agree that the show has been garbage as soon as when Toffee kicked the bucket, how could it have stayed at least passable?
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No.1060150
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No.1060164
>>1060149
No romance drama.
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No.1060165
They should have never ever bothered with Earth and just followed Toffee with Ludo's antics against Mewni.
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No.1060181
>>1060149
>Remove Pointless Relationshit Drama
This shit did nothing but take away episodes and introduce dead end plotlines. It was not all bad every time, but it was handled so poorly that it is a real detriment to the show.
>Have a better, more focused villian at the end
This ties in with the point below, MHC and everything to be the end bad guys while trying to be mysterious and push a message is just beyond the capacity of the people who wrote this. It is preechy, confused, and of substantially lower quality than when there was a clear bad guy to bounce stuff off of. I would have had the reformed Ludo return to evil with new clarity about half way into the episode, still as incompetent and meddlesome as ever, but with a fervor that was hithertoo unseen.
>Have Eclipsa do outright evil or sociopathic things
The MHC and everyone involved in sealing her away were absolutely terrified of Eclipsa. Its ok to have her be a character that is overall good, but you need to have some sort of reason that all these people were scared of her for all these years besides fantasy racism. Make her blow things up all the time on a whim or not have super good control of her arsenal of highly potent magic. Maybe she is more monstrous than she lets on at first.
>Never actually release Globgor
He was nothing but a let down and a detriment to the show.
>Have some more evil monsters
The monsters under Ludo had plenty of anti human and anti muman sentiment, and were the type to do evil because they wanted to. Where did all of these monsters go? You need to have some of these things shown to give us a feeling for why the Mumans started fighting them in the first place. Its fine to have some of the unintentional damage and destruction that they show from monsters who are not evil as well, but its just completely lopsided in the later seasons.
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No.1060183
>>1060181
>This shit did nothing but take away episodes and introduce dead end plotlines. It was not all bad every time, but it was handled so poorly that it is a real detriment to the show.
Dead end plotlines or underused plotlines are a bit of a recurring problem. What with Marco's tentacle arm, him aging to adulthood and getting sent back to his teen years with really no serious consequences beyond maybe him breaking up with Jackie.
>MHC and everything to be the end bad guys while trying to be mysterious
I'd just suggest actually taking a clue from supplements and have Toffee's land step-in. Supposedly Seth (a big-shot there) radicalized Toffee.
>Eclipsa
I actually dug her little talk with little Moon. It kept Eclipsa juuust creepy enough to be not totally trustworhty, but she doesn't really try too obviously to pressure Moon into a deal with her.
I'm not impressed with what was actually done with her. Too much dinduism. Among other things, I'd reject the idea that Star and Moon descend from some random peasant girl. If we need to keep the "not the rightful heir" point, then I say to just have them descend from a brother or male cousin.
>Globgor
Also too much dinduism. They maybe try to do otherwise with him letting Mewmans hate him but we're obviously supposed to see they just need to give him a chance.
>Other Monsters
According to Magic Book of Spells there's a country both Toffee and Rasticore belong to that's been a source of anti-Mewman schemes. We can just put them as a faction for Monsters who refuse to settle for less than rule of Monsters. Maybe even have Seth descend from a ruler in Mewni before Mewmans conquered it.
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No.1060184
>>1060149
From episode 1:
>Actually plan out and write down a multi-season start-middle-ending plot, a universe bible, etc., and adhere to it.
OR
>Promise yourselves to never attempt anything serious, and just stick with negative continuity.
From season 2:
>Stop pretending you can make anything serious out of the unplanned random garbage in prior episodes. Anything serious has to come from outside Mewni, so as to avoid contradicting the already contradictory mess you made.
OR
>Actually fix the mess. Dump the entire nonsensical monster subplot and recharacterize them as just different groups of monsters, bring democracy to Mewni and help the poor starving peasants, stop the cuckshit or make it explicit and make your characters conduct their interpersonal relationships in a way that allows the audience to sympathize with them as good people.
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No.1060206
>>1060184
Sorry, but actual effort and attempts to be good just has no place in western animation.
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No.1060208
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No.1060333
>>1060208
GF had plenty of bad writings. The PUA episode, the llama is Pacifica (obviously there from Alex not really caring/enjoying Pacifica as a character but needing a way to get her taking part in Ford's circle), Mabel's endless bad behavior that was enabled. Much of it even roots in where Star's bad writings come from (showrunner politics and poor planning).
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No.1060340
1060333
>The PUA episode
IMHO actually pretty good and evenhanded, pointing out that while the technique can be effective, it can also backfire in the hands of a dumbass or a jackass, like with a loaded gun, the moral of the story being self-restraint. The man cave episode was a similar example of something any other Current Year™ show would've massacred, but GF executed with aplomb.
>the llama is Pacifica (obviously there from Alex not really caring/enjoying Pacifica as a character but needing a way to get her taking part in Ford's circle)
There were a lot of other tertiary characters in the circle, since it was described as the product of destiny. Regarding Pacifica more generally, I agree Hirsch could've done a better job at rewriting the show around the surprise appeal of a character, but the resulting Pacifica episodes were still excellent, and FAR BETTER than other (especially continuity-heavy) shows' efforts at pandering to fans.
>Mabel's endless bad behavior that was enabled.
The near-miss of Mabel being so much more petulant than Dipper, and especially his saving her from the brink of solipsism, was an explicit contrast against their uncles' falling out and its disastrous consequences. It's a fair argument that Dipper fully confront Mabel about her childishness and/or Mabel have an epiphany about her misbehavior (much like Dipper did with his swelled head) could've been better, but the way they chose to have things work out, with Mabel merely acknowledging she has more growing up to do than Dipper, but not having attained real insight into her personality, better leaves the door open to her character growth in the future, and felt more realistic for such a sudden turn of events.
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No.1060341
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No.1060541
>all magical beings killed, they don't even get a say in the matter
>all of this was started over Moon being a shitty liar with no exit plan, Star's choice to eliminate all magic feels too over the top for just defeating Mina
>Mewni's monster racism problem was never really solved, and the issue is only going to get worse now that humans from earth who have never even seen monsters have to deal with them on the daily basis
>tons of other untold problems can arise from forcibly smashing 2 dimensions together without warning
>all of these points are handwaved because Star and Marco get to kiss
>SPENDS THE WHOLE FUCKING SEASON ABOUT HOW MEWMANS BAD FOR INVADING MEWNI
>THE FINALE ENDS WITH MONSTERS INVADING EARTH
>b-but monsters are good guys
>g-guys?
HOLY FUCKING SHIT NEFCY. I DON'T CARE YOU FUCKING DESTROYED ALL MAGIC. WHY DID YOU LET MONSTERS INVADE EARTH?
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No.1060542
>>1060541
>smashing 2 dimensions together
Aren't there, like, a zillion others? Why pick on earth?
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No.1060545
>>1060541
That's the fruit of Trump Derangement Syndrome. It's obvious that what happened this season was an overreaction to Mr. Trump's presidency.
>b-but monsters are good guys
We're supposed to think that yeah. With the obvious mustache-twirling supervillain behavior from monsters like Toffee either ignored or recast as some "muh fighting muh white/mewman devils keeping uz doon."
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No.1060548
Honestly this show was flawed from the start.
Here's how it should've gone down:
>Season 1 ends with star going back to Mewni after her parents judge her safe (enough) to return (also to protect her yadda yadda)
>Season 2 is basically the reverse of season 1 - Marco (to stay connected with star) manages to negotiate a "foreign exchange student program" with Moon so he can be in mewni. Their adventures gradually become bigger and more surreal. star accidently breaks spacetime similar to "mathmagic", stranding her and others from the cast (marco, jackie, janna, etc.) across the multiverse
>Season 3 star has to find her friends and repair spacetime by hopping through each dimension (the scissors no longer work correctly), this season is a lot more serial instead of episodic. toffee and ludo are following star but play a mostly minor role, at the end star has to cast a spell to "fix" spacetime, but due to the villain's interference she accidently fucks it up, which inexplicably causes all dimensions to exist in one "universe" - mewni and earth become one planet while the other dimensions appear as new nearby exoplanets
>Season 4 mostly deals with the fallout from season 3, mewmans, humans, and other magica creatures have to learn to cooperate. for the series finale toffee does his big villain job. star uses a spell to destroy toffee which as collateral causes her to disappear somewhere in the post-fused universe, leaving behind her wand (which she entrusts to marco). marco takes the wand and begins his own "united" kingdom of humans, mewmans, monsters, etc which quickly becomes a star-trek tier galactic empire. he's last shown being 30 years old, still searching for star throughout the cosmos. marco's narration ends with him saying something like "of all the stars in the sky, i think you're the one i look forward to seeing the most"
much better ending and the show actually now utilizes the whole "multiverse" concept. no gay politics either
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No.1060554
Series finale in a nutshell:
>Star plans to destroy all magic, gets help from Marco, Moon and Eclipsa.
>Despite the fact that this would kill all magical creatures, Hekapoo, a magical creature, doesn't try to stop them because "she always had the feeling this stuff did more harm than good"
>Marco: "Go! You gotta destroy your family's legacy! Leave Tom to me"
>Ghosts of all the past queens of Mewni appear and approve of the destruction of magic.
>Queen Solaria aproves of her mullato grandkid before disappearing along with the magic. >Glossaric thinks they made the right choice, and says that, as the captain, he'll go down with the ship.
>explosions happen, Marco gets sent back to Earth and Star to Mewni.
>Most of the solarian warriors, now returned to normal, show regret for being so "hate-filled". A magic-depowered Mina refuses to embrace diversity and goes into the forest.
>the guard of the magical high commission is having a slice of pizza next to their corpses. He's either unaware that they're dead or psychopathic enough not to give a fuck.
>Despite magic being gone, a portal opens up and ends up merging Earth and Mewni into a single place, because plot device or starco or something.
>Star and Marco stare in awe at each other, they can finally be together, without either of them having to leave their home-dimension.
>the end?
>the geo-politics of having their dimensions merged leads to a conflict exceeding all world-wars in scale, and all life on Earth-Mewny perishes in nuclear Armageddon,
The end.
Moral of the story: 1) be glad it's finally over. 2) The jew fears the magic.
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No.1060555
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No.1060559
The magic is just a confused metaphor. It's an obvious representation of both "privilege" and the cuckservative/prog fantasy that "racism" is just something Whites are brainwashed into having.
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No.1060563
Holy shit. I'm glad I stopped watching this at the end of season 3 but saddened that many children will have watched it and probably got brainwashed by its leftist agitprop.
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No.1060569
>>1060563
Kids are better at noticing ass-pulls and shoehorns than most people think, even if they can't articulate it as well. In 10-15 years we'll probably get a bunch of retrospective edgy parodies of this show and its contemporaries.
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No.1060598
>>1060559
They definitely shoehorned magic as a metaphor for privilege, and that Mina was stopped by taking away her white privilege and inherently magical creatures were the most privileged to the point of not being able to live without it, but damned if it was ever intended to be that way in the beginning.
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No.1060601
Everything, absolutely everything that i invest even so much as an hour of my week into for some slight enjoyment degenerates into leftist, badly written shit.
What a horrid ending jesus fucking christ, I wish cancer upon the tranny niggers responsible for it.
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No.1060607
>>1060563
If I was still a kid I would have dropped this season 3 for being so boring.
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No.1060608
>>1060601
>Everything degenerates into leftist, badly written shit
May I suggest animu? Bob's Burgers and sometimes We Bare Bears are watchable.
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No.1060611
>Hekapoo is dead
>Glossaryck is dead
>Rhombulus is dead
>Cloudy is dead
>The laser puppes are dead
>Spider with a Top Hat is dead
>Narwals are dead
>Unicorns are dead
>Invisible goats are dead
>Baby is dead
>Magical squirrels are dead
>Doop-Doop is dead
What the fuck did I just watch? Who the fuck "casually" kills off half of the cast in the last episode of a wholesome cartoon that is partly targeted at little girls? Who the fuck thinks it is in character for overly emotional safe kid marco to respond to the imminent death of one of his best friends with a sarcastic "I'm gonna miss her"?
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No.1060612
>>1060611
It’s funny how from the get go I could tell Star and Marco would be evil fucks. Funny thing is the writers lack the self awareness to realize just how evil they are… that is until somebody points it out then they’ll give some half hearted canon reason the characters are still alive on Twitter.
Gotta love how something similar happened with Jack but even he was forced to feel the impact of all the people in the future he severed.
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No.1060617
>>1060611
Jana is not actually dead. She just stooped her hearth for 60 seconds. Other than that, great poster.
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No.1060618
>>1060541
>Humanity gets fucked both structurally and economically by monsters coming to Earth
>Monsters take our jobs, our homes, and our lives
>Mewmans, meanwhile, are immigrants and are cunts to deal with
>One lone Mewman makes us aware of the mass genocide the scum have inferred, the countless lives lost
>Just for sex
>There is no mercy for these scum.
>No regret.
>The entire world is united under one banner now, for one message.
>Suffer not the monster to live.
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No.1060622
>>1060598
>They definitely shoehorned magic as a metaphor for privilege, and that Mina was stopped by taking away her white privilege and inherently magical creatures were the most privileged to the point of not being able to live without it,
Taken in that light, it sounds less like a privilege metaphor, and more like boilerplate anticiv/neoprim ideology. Y'know, the left/right nonpartisan thing where everyone is supposed to go back to a preindustrial or even preagricultural mode of production, except 95% of the current population would have to starve to death, and people with certain severe illnesses that must be managed technologically like type 1 diabetes, would just drop dead immediately.
>damned if it was ever intended to be that way in the beginning.
This is really the show's #1 problem: Episodic, no planning and no continuity gags from the start, forced by the gormless writers to become an arc-centric continuity-heavy SRSBZNS to "keep up with" trends.
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No.1060636
>>1060622
Oh gosh. I forgot they have been fed the idea we'd somehow be happier in a pre-industrial society. That makes sense as well.
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No.1060653
>No more cuckqueaning
What's the point?
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No.1060689
She saved thousands.
To kill millions.
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No.1060691
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No.1060692
>>1060691
I was googling "star butterfly genocide"
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No.1060695
So I believe the ending came about from:
A. The already called Trump Derangement Syndrome.
B. Nefcy getting tired of her show that she'll end it in such a way that it can't be continued without serious retconning.
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No.1060696
>>1060695
>B. Nefcy getting tired of her show that she'll end it in such a way that it can't be continued without serious retconning.
So even she got sick of it after it's initial season.
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No.1060755
>>1060691
Any more like this?
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No.1060759
>>1060755
An ending like this would actually save this shitshow.
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No.1060771
>>1060759
But that's what actually happened.
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No.1060773
>>1060771
Something a bit more self aware
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No.1060779
>>1060771
Not really. The pic implies that Star is a monster (hurhur) for what she did. The show never condemns for her actions, the Mewni Queens go along with her, with even Hekapoo agreeing with her (so apparently she doesn't care about her own life).
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No.1062497
>>1054049
Well shit, I just wrote out a ton but I lost it all. :\
I hate Eclipsa. Her personality is only what I can describe as "theatrical". I have met people very similar to her in real life, and I do not like them.
Also, the idea of Festivia being a peasant or part peasant is fucking retarded. Realistically, another noble would have been appointed or married off to the king, and Eclipsa would have been executed, or imprisoned if there was a reason for it that I missed. Especially if she would only be imprisoned, since, you know, there's always the threat she may come back, and if she does, she and/or her offspring will have a higher claim to the throne than a family mixed with peasantry. Was there seriously no other Butterfly in the family? Whatever, this fucking show is a headache.
>>1057078
But Lum isn't a blonde 14-year-old girl, even if her character is a million times better (because Star has a shitty personality, her rape-factor is also much higher). Also, the show was always shit and the cuckquean jokes are the best thing in the world, because they're fucking hilarious, even if painful to watch the show for.
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No.1062505
>>1062497
The easiest way to handle the ''Star descends from a line of usurpers" bit is to just say Eclipsa had a brother who provided a daughter who took the throne once sis got locked up. Still royalty but not the "rightful" heir since only women can rule in their own right.
Eclipsa would be acceptable if she wasn' t such a dindu and actually acted as selfish as we're told.she.is. Maybe have her policies on Monsters bring far more disorder to the kingdom since she was driving Mewmans from their homes. That way Moon could have had legit grounds to seek her removal. And keep Mina as her dog but lose the army or at least don't make Moon a big enough screwup to have one she can't actually keep in check.
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No.1062527
I was never interested in this show, but after hearing the big stink decided to read up a bit and have to say I'm thoroughly impressed that a cartoon took the ending of Korra as a challenge to create a shity ending that does huge damage to the universe but is pushed out of the way for Romance.
I mean, Korra you can maybe close the portals once the bitch dies and the next Avatar realized what a dumbass she was. But for Star to actually no take backs Genocide all magic reliant races on top of creating an invading force of monsters on mundane Earth is just such a 5 star clusterfuck that it really is impressive how the writing staff expected Happy Date Romance to immediately push everything terrible under the rug.
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No.1062560
I guess that Star really was the force of evil.
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No.1062562
File: e426224c0596279⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 719.98 KB, 885x936, 295:312, tfw cuck'd by your bestie.png)
>>1062560
>"You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
—Harvey Dent
>“Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster… for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you.”
― Friedrich W. Nietzsche
But Star was always evil, she just didn't know it. How can evil fight evil in the name of good?
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No.1062649
>>1062527
Anon why are you so obsessed with Korra?
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No.1062663
>>1062649
Are you seriously defending its shit ending?
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No.1062680
>>1062649
Korra is embedded into people's consciousness due to the porn, the retcons, and the dykeshit ending. It will probably be forgotten sooner than it's forgiven. With Star vs. Evil we only need to forget the final season.
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No.1062876
>>1062497
>I hate Eclipsa.
I'm just saian, her early lack of characterization painted her as enigmatic, insane, corrupting, dangerous on the tiniest level, and in need of help. A bit like Kishin from Soul Eater.
>>1062562
>How can evil fight evil in the name of good
On a tight leash, pics related.
>>1062649
Because it took something great, including nearly everyone responsible for that triumph, and absolutely shat all over it.
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No.1063061
>>1062876
It was pseudo-philosophical mostly; post-ironic; tongue-in-cheek, with a hint of sincerity.
And I don't disagree about Eclipsa. She was much more interesting before she became some "theater" twat.
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No.1063066
>>1063061
Moon's flashback to her youth was surprisingly nice. She was a much more worthwhile protagonist than Star, Toffee was a swell villain, and as already noted Eclipsa was juust creepy enough to be shady but ambiguous enough to be interesting.
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No.1063069
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No.1063221
>>1059880
gibs. me. moar. futa.
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No.1063348
>>1063221
>look up Star futa
>it's a bunch of pictures of futa-Star fucking trap Marco
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No.1063480
File: 9430cad30095d53⋯.png (Spoiler Image, 9.92 KB, 421x480, 421:480, 421px-Solid_unicursal_hexa….png)
Why'd they use this for the exorcism ritual?
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No.1063481
>>1063480
Did not mean to spoiler.
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No.1063502
>>1063480
Can't use a cross cause the show is non-christian, any other simple symbols already have associations known in mainstream culture. I can't say for certain, but probably they just needed something that looks vaguely cool and people don't know what it is.
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