No.1029574
Has anyone been reading through this shit? I'm talking piracy of course, if you buy this bullshit you are a moron. It's a Watchmen sequel written by someone who clearly hates all the themes in Watchmen. The latest issue sets up Ozymandias as the main villain and tries to make sure that you hate him. Oh, and the series started with saying Ozymandias' plans in Watchmen failed, and the world went to war with eachother anyways, totally defeating the point of Watchmen.
Yes, I know that Rorshach sent his journal off to the right wing newspaper, but you're a retard if you think anyone would believe anything Rorshach wrote. Ozymandias was not meant to actually be a villain, that was a pretty big point of the comics, that he was in the role of the antagonist, but he wasn't actually evil and that it was a good thing that he won.
No.1029584
This is what happens when you have old men trying to act like their writing is important or on the same level as the classics if they "deconstruct" works of the past. It's all a pathetic attention grabbing scheme that unfortunately has huge effects on the comics they're associated with. It's not so easy to ignore the bad comics from the big two when they're almost always in the same universes.
No.1029589
>>1029584
Why does Geoff Johns think he's smart enough to write a sequel to Watchmen, though? Does he just despise Alan Moore? Johns to me comes off like that douchebag who thinks he's really cool, but is actually a dipshit.
No.1029590
Yes but at the very least it will permanently desecrate Alan Moore's grave.
No.1029594
>>1029590
Moore doesn't give half a fuck. The only people who suffer from this are people who enjoy comics.
No.1029597
>>1029589
It's likely exactly that. He thinks he was good enough to do the flagship title for New 52 Justice League while being extremely bias on characters he likes. He thinks he's so much more than he is. Just like every modern comic writer still left in the companies.
No.1029598
>>1029589
>Why does Geoff Johns think he's smart …
Because his peers are the likes of DiDio and Waid.
No.1029600
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>#Comicsgate loves Doomsday Clock
This is the problem. This is really the problem. The opposition to the retards in charge of Marvel and DC are just as retarded, if not worse.
No.1029602
>>1029597
Why does it seem like it's impossible for good writers to make their way into Marvel and DC?
No.1029609
>>1029602
Good writers cost too much. Hiring from tumblr is cheaper.
No.1029612
>>1029574
>Ozymandias' plans in Watchmen failed, and the world went to war with eachother anyways, totally defeating the point of Watchmen.
I'm sure Doomsday Clock is garbage, but Ozy's plan was always going to fail in the long run. Even if his deception didn't get exposed, he could only have kept the peace through fear and misdirection for so long before old territorial rivalries flared up again.
No.1029615
>>1029600
>comicsgate is an organized group
>comicsgate is a hivemind
Get over yourself. I'm all for a comicsgate because I'm absolutely sick of what DC and Marvel have been doing to their properties for years now but I have absolutely no love for Doomsday Clock.
>>1029602
They expect actual wages and will fight against the executives on top telling them what to do. Can't have actual talent and organization in your company.
No.1029616
>>1029600
>#Comicsgate loves Doomsday Clock
Why am I not surprised.
No.1029620
>>1029602
>Why does it seem like it's impossible for good writers to make their way into Marvel and DC?
There are several reasons, but they all boil down to: Why the fuck would you want to work for Marvel or DC?
>>1029615
I'm going to go off-topic here and tell you comicsgate will never, ever, do what you want. They have no attainable goals and are only in it for the outrage.
No.1029621
>>1029609
There has to be at least one good writer on tumblr.
No.1029622
But Rorshach was right. Ozymandias is a villain.
No.1029624
>>1029622
>vegetarian
>has a cool cat
>saves the world
>bad guy
lol, no, Alan Moore has stated numerous times that Ozymandias was the good guy.
No.1029627
>>1029622
Oh, and Rorshach was a retarded libertarian, you're supposed to hate him.
No.1029628
No.1029632
>>1029627
Rorshach was a piece of shit and The Question could kick his ass.
No.1029635
>>1029574
If you know something is shit and it's obvious why its shit, just pretend it doesn't exist and don't care. Why complain? The readers will never be your friends, because they are idiots.
Just like I refused to watch Solo because I wanna remember Solo as a cool character. Or like I refused to watch Jurassic World 2 because the first one gave me several things I always wanted to see in the franchise, and horror house clone survival horror wasn't that. Or any of the Disney Reboots.
Just ignore it exists. It's made for a younger audience, but unlike the fans of the old comics, that audience will forget the new comics in a week.
No.1029639
>>1029635
I don't want to ignore it because of what it says about modern day DC. The fact that they think they can make a sequel to Watchmen, that the message of their sequel is that Superman is a better person than Doctor Manhattan. I find it all interesting because it's clearly written by a moron. The fact that someone can read Watchmen, be too stupid to understand why it's good, and then make a sequel to it that shits on the entire premise. The characters of Watchmen should never interact with the characters of the DC universe because the characters of Watchmen aren't just some other super heroes, they're a commentary on super heroes, on all super heroes.
No.1029640
>>1029639
You lost be at Superman being better than anyone.
I disagree at certain points. Bruce Wayne being analyzed like Rorschach was kinda cool (but too much on your nose, it wasn't necessary to explain what the rorschach test actually shows - it's just not subtle these days!). Mime and his girlfriend are okay. And if one character should interact with the Watchmen universe, it should be The Question.
Overall, if you want to make it good, don't cross Watchmen with the goofy shit like Superman, Wonder Woman etc. but only the dark characters or those with potential. The Riddler would fit in there, for example, being a conspiracy theorist or something.
No.1029641
>>1029620
That's fine. There isn't a goal beyond calling out and showing how bad the industry really is. We're not all out to change the world. Just to hope that something good can come from it instead of just ignoring it all.
No.1029643
>>1029639
Partially true but oh how I wish the rest were also true. Newer comics are more easily forgotten than the classics of old but movies are a different matter. The new shity Disney films have basically redefined characters for the new generation and even normalfags of the old. Maleficent is now seen as a tragic hero, Kylo Ren is seen as the legitimate offspring and successor to the Skywalker name, Luke is a loser, normalfags and newfags highly anticipate the releases of whatever other live action garbage Disney pumps out, and now we will get to see them fuck up the beloved FOX IPs they've purchased. Movies have an obnoxiously stronger impact on the masses than books or comics. So even as much as we want to ignore Disney's garbage, the masses will keep reminding us they exist and officializing them as the official material over the originals simply because it was on the big screen. Also fuck Wikipedia.
No.1029644
If you're going to accuse something of being a piece of shit, the best way is to storytime it so you can demonstrate its shittiness in action. In fact, I'll do it for you. I'll storytime Doomsday Clock issues 1-7.
Issue 1.
No.1029649
>>1029644
Now, I have been known to be a bit of a cynic, but they're not talking about the current US president,are they? They remember when the comic was set, right?
No.1029661
>>1029644
>>1029645
I'd forgotten how hamfisted the liberal commentary is.
No.1029676
>>1029675
=End of Issue 3==
No.1029677
>>1029666
The sad thing is that this isn't 100% terrible. There are some interesting ideas in here, and the art is nice. But being so derivative of Watchmen, the best parts of it are buried under all the imitation.
No.1029678
>>1029677
New 52 in a nutshell?
No.1029683
>>1029678
Yeah, that's a good point. Trying to do something new, but too beholden to what came before to really be its own thing.
No.1029689
>>1029683
>>1029678
New 52 really could've been the change the comics needed if they didn't pick and choose how the universe worked. And trying to bring all the inconsistencies together through rebirth and now this are just making that jumbled mess worse.
No.1029693
>>1029689
They could've made a clean break with the past. Or set up multiple continuities, continuing the established DCU in one, doing different things in others…Instead it was a half-baked mess.
No.1029697
>>1029693
Almost always seems to be the case that the one off AU stories are better than the mainline continuity stuff. Almost like these writers are only suited to do small batches and not whole 1000 issue books with constantly shifting teams.
No.1029699
>>1029686
As for this comic, scenes like Mothman walking into the fire to die are painfully stupid and pointless.
>He's MOTHman, so he's drawn to the flames. Like a MOTH, get it? Smart, huh?
No.1029700
>>1029697
I like continuity and in-universe history as much as the next comics fan, but there is something to that. Too often it bogs down the creators' creativity and becomes stale. Maybe allowing characters and settings to develop and age over time could solve that problem. Marvel did a little of that with the M2 line.
No.1029702
>>1029695
End of Issue 4. Reposting because the last two pages were thumbnails for some reason.
No.1029703
>>1029679
I hate shit like pic 1 where they try to have as iconic images but it's ridiculous. It's like they mock the source material.
No.1029704
>>1029702
Thanks for storytiming this.
No.1029708
>>1029700
Yeah having actual progress and weight to your characters as they progress would be a massive improvement over the current structure of comics. Not even just real time aging but like full on stories where everything is permanent. Aging, injuries, death, relationships, etc. You can't just go back on it like comics do nowadays.
If these kinds of writers wanna be taken seriously and have their work matter then being a part of a line of comics with actual progress that sticks would be so much more impactful than doing an event that'll be forgotten in 3 months after it's over.
No.1029711
>>1029703
I thought the same thing. Plus the jokey way nuRorshach's internal monologue riffs on the opening lines from Watchmen.
No.1029712
>>1029708
Didn't Marvel try something like that a couple years back? Ultimate Marvel or something like that, touted itself as "All deaths final".
And then, because some Event-Of-The-Month killed practically everybody and they couldn't fix the damage without betraying everything they set out to do, the line-up died and whatever was left got fused into mainline.
No.1029713
>>1029712
That's right. It didn't help that Ultimate was full of edgy shit like incestuous heroes and Blob eating the Wasp.
No.1029715
>>1029710
Okay, I didn't expect Saturn Girl to show up in this story.
No.1029716
>>1029712
Yeah and the Ultimate line was a mess because Bendis was basically the only guy in charge of it. Till a writer's son died so he decided to do a shitty event where half of the remaining cast of the universe were killed off. Leaving most of the X-men dead. They had killed off Spider-man only to bring him back just to give Miles his blessing. They destroyed the Ultimate universe in an event only to just recently bring back the ENTIRE Ultimate universe just to transfer over characters like Ultimate Wolverine's son. The Ultimate line was an edgy mess that they somehow thought was a good base for the MCU movies.
No.1029718
>>1029632
Actually, I think you'll find that roschash was based on The Question, who was a DC character who was a conpiracy theorist and also an investigator who kept his face covered who because he wanted to hide of identity.
No.1029721
For all my gripes, I have to admit I am enjoying this. This comic is at its best when it stops trying to emulate the form of Watchmen and just tells its own story.
No.1029723
>>1029717
comics have sucked for the last 30 years, because nothing ever happens in them.
40 panels with slightly different moody scenes in them, then two words, and not a trace of action.
late 80s had stories, things happening, text to read.
even the early 90s had content.
beyond that it became style, filler and DARRKKK.
I remember being utterly disappointed that nothing had happen in an edition, just a faggot wandering the streets, with pointless glimpses of background stuff, just like the last page of this one.
it would take 30 seconds to show in film, but you have to wait 2 weeks with comics.
No.1029725
>>1029641
>There isn't a goal beyond calling out and showing how bad the industry really is.
No they're not. The whole thing is just comics flavored political shit-flinging.
For example, they go after Mark Waid for being an sjw, but they're totally fine with Bob "clone saga" Harras being editor-in-chief of a major comic company.
Polite sage for being off topic.
No.1029726
>>1029725
Because Mark Waid is in the limelight right now for telling shops and publishers not to work with D&C.
No.1029731
>>1029722
When is Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man gonna get his own title?
No.1029735
>>1029729
Third page, ninth panel. Kek puppet.
No.1029736
>>1029735
Right next to a pharaoh and Bastet or Anubis puppet. That's gotta be intentional.
No.1029743
>>1029734
I like Marionette and Mime.
No.1029746
>>1029740
See? Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man needs a comic!
No.1029747
>>1029722
>Simon Stagg
>found guilty of Tax Evasion
Somebody clearly hasn't read Metamorpho.
No.1029748
>>1029745
And that's it for Issue 7. The next issue should be coming around November, so stay tuned (or don't). Thanks for reading, /co/.
No.1029759
>>1029748
>Bubastis II is cloned using Doctor Manhattan's cells, so she manifests exactly the same way he did
What hackery. And just when I was enjoying this story.
No.1029762
>>1029748
Thanks again for sharing this. It's an interesting mix of good and bad.
No.1029764
>>1029745
If anything, I hope Superman DOES destroy Dr. Manhattan, just to end the suffering.
No.1029769
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>>1029748
>Animated series featuring myself and Bubastis
No.1029770
>>1029764
how
superman is a fart. he's a man made of steel, but doctor Manhattan can take him apart at a molecular level and turn him into soup or gas.
any punch from superman will do at maximum the same to doctor Manhattan, yet he can reassemble himself.
makes no sense, superman faggotry incoming.
>I'm always holding back, if i punch Dr. Manhattan for reals then if will punch him out of this dimension and all his atoms will go into space and freeze with my super breath.
No.1029773
>>1029769
Why can't we have cartoons like this anymore?
No.1029774
>>1029770
Didn't blue dick only have normal reaction times?
If they were smart, they would frame it as "premonition" or knowledge of the future, versus pure speed. I don't recall any speedsters in Watchmen, as they tend to break shit. But even if the blue boy scout isn't the fastest in DC, he can at least play their game.
And if Manhattan is banished to the phantom zone, can he teleport himself out?
Only read one issue of the new Watchmen, don't even know if they cover any of this.
No.1029786
>>1029774
Manhattan's entire life and everyone else's is pre-destined, he can't change it, he's more or less experiencing his entire life at the same time. Even his emotions are pre-destined, webm related.
A good solution would be if he loses his motivation after realizing the dc universe would never let someone like him win over superman and that changes are constant in order to prevent evil from winning, not existing, just winning.
After that he can either let the status quo win by going to jail or he can fight it knowing he won't win and realizing that a god has no place in a world that strips him of his power.
No.1029788
>>1029589
Alan Moore probably despises Alan Moore.
No.1029790
>>1029786
Forgot to mention this, tachyon particles dampen Manhatten's ability to see the future. Chances are someone is producing them and will probably be used to defeat them in the most anti-climatic way possible.And yes Manhatten is a living god he could probably just teleport himself out if he wanted
No.1029802
I actually like Doomsday Clock, its definitely not perfect but if it is going the direction I think it is it might be great, also Gary Frank art is great. Can't wait for the LoSH and JSA to be back and then get a shit creative team for both.
No.1029816
>>1029616
he kicked out of comicsgate, and he has notoriously bad taste.
No.1029822
So far I'm hating this far less than I thought.
No.1029823
>>1029774
> I don't recall any speedsters in Watchmen
Are you retarded?
No.1029824
>>1029644
>hurrr, you gotta storytime it to criticize it, dude
You're an idiot. No one should read this trash. I regret having read it myself.
No.1029874
Seeing what the alien "attack" caused in people is pretty cool.
No.1029875
>>1029649
As if there's much difference.
No.1029879
>>1029699
It was clever that they added him anyway. That he was nuts was just mentioned in ONE sentence in the original.
No.1029881
>>1029718
He covered it? I thought The Question didn't even have a face.
No.1029885
>>1029881
Not from Ditko's era, which is the era that Moore would have been using, in addition to Mr. A.
No.1029888
>>1029885
And to add, as if it wasn't common knowledge by now anyways, it wasn't just the Question that are blatant copies. Moore wanted to shit on a the whole Charlton lineup.
No.1029889
>>1029885
I've been meaning to pick up Blue Beetle and Mysterious Suspense but now that Ditko is dead the price has skyrocketed, fucking vultures dude
No.1029898
>>1029888
He wasn't shitting on them, but yes. Nite-Owl is Blue Beetle, Dr. Manhattan is Captain Atom, Silk Spectre is Nightshade, The Comedian is Peacemaker, Ozymandias is Peter Cannon/Thunderbolt, etc.
No.1029909
>>1029898
>He wasn't shitting on them,
<Blue Beetle is now dealing with impotence
<Peacemaker is now a rapist
<Captain Atom is about as unheroic as possible
<The Question is a broken son of a whore, fueling unbridled hatred, and fascist tendencies
I own Watchmen (one of the reprints that DC uses to flip off Moore). I recognize its place in providing a more adult, explicitly defined story, that relied on both what to expect from superheroes, but how the comics themselves were structured, and formatted.
But Moore shat on the Charlton heroes. And told a story that had a beginning, middle, and permanent end for the characters. Because that was his groundbreaking take. It's like making Speedy a junkie, or giving Mar-Vell cancer, it is just a miracle that in a hesitant editor's decision, classic Ditko heroes aren't permanently tarnished by Moore's decisions. It is why I don't really care for Moore purists getting in arms about DC's new Watchmen series, or the series itself. Most of the OC characters are still kicking around in DC, and are some of the best characters in their lineup.
No.1029916
>>1029909
Honestly I would love to have the end of status quo as Moore with all his shitty ideas intended for comics…like spidy and Batman have been kicking thugs ass for almost a century now…. I want them to retire or die and never come back, fuck I could excuse Superman or WW ti do it for so long since they have a different biology but still I expect them to fuck off one day…..that’s why Batman beyond is my fav thing, Bruce will never leave Gotham unless he dies so having a apprentice work for him till he kicks the bucket is the best thing to end the character
No.1029919
>>1029916
Nightwing, Red Robin, or Damian are all meant to be the replacements for Batman should something happen to Bruce or he just gives up the mantle. It'd be good if there was actual progress in comics as far as stories go. To see the bat family actually grow up and go through permanent character growth. But not even Watchmen is allowed to be left alone. So there's no hope DC or Marvel would allow that kind of stuff to happen. We need a crash.
No.1029920
>>1029919
That’s what I meant im drunk so my ideas could not be expressed in a proper way you have people that will take up the bat cowl, so why not let them do that? Night wing is the only full developed character in the entire batfamily since he decided to become his own thing and even if Bruce kicks the bucket he will never put the pointy hat on
No.1029924
>>1029920
>if Bruce kicks the bucket he will never put the pointy hat on
Still think Dick wore the cowl the best. And that Jason is equally developed, and why having characters progress, or move forward, isn't the worst thing. There's a reason why people love the Wally West Flash. It's just a mixed bag, because while I may like Guy Gardner, heavily dislike Kyle, and love when a good Hal Jordan story is told.
No.1029925
>>1029920
While Dick was hesitant, he knew the world both needed Batman and that he couldn't let Jason sully the name by being a killer running around like he was Batman. Tim did step up to take the mantle first but Jason kind of kicked his ass and left him for dead.
Anyway, back on subject, letting full fleshed out characters like Dick or Jason actually grow is what's needed. This isn't the 60's anymore. Comics can't be taken seriously if they still follow the endless cycle of retcons, reboots, relaunches, and never actually changing.
No.1029932
So, if the comedian is back, is also Rorshach back?
Rorshach and the Comedian did nothing wrong in Watchmen.
No.1029945
>>1029932
The Comedian should have killed Sally Jupiter after raping her. Then we wouldn't have her bitch daughter to deal with.
No.1029947
>>1029945
The point is that it wasn't rape, you silly billy.
No.1030013
>>1029925
Yeah but then the comic industry would have to come up with ideas.
No.1030015
>>1030013
Oh yeah. How strenuous.
No.1030017
>>1029925
>This isn't the 60's anymore. Comics can't be taken seriously if they still follow the endless cycle of retcons, reboots, relaunches, and never actually changing.
I hear you, but this is how you end up with some faggot like Bendis getting to kill off Peter and have Miles be the sole Spider-Man in the 616 out of nothing but ego and spite. Batman as had a number of sidekicks who've been developed that could take the mantle and it would still work, but there are other characters that would be replaced by OCdonutsteels and magical negro lesbians or some shit.
No.1030020
>>1030017
Unfortunately yeah that'd be the case. Maybe that's why most characters shouldn't be put into one universe so it's not a bunch spoiled by a few bad fruits. Or y'know put actual control over writers and artists while not hiring people like Bendis at all.
No.1030033
>>1029920
I honestly never liked the whole "Nightwing hates Bruce and doesn't want to become Batman, etc, etc" because all it did in the long run is give us a ton of shitty stories about Dick being a whiny bitch and Bruce being a psychotic asshole, all because Marv Wolfman's childhood issues prevented him from seeing how Bruce was actually a great father to Dick and how Dick looked up to him as the greatest in exchange for cheap teen drama that was already boring when he did it.
The biggest problem of course is Grayson's fanbase, who are stuck in the 90's and throw a shitfit anytime he moves onto anything beyond Nightwing, like Agent Grayson, which was a fantastic fucking idea or actually succeeding Batman, which is what his character was designed for in the end. Sure, Dick's character got diluted into just "Acrobat Boy" with Vanilla Tim, Daddy Issues Jason and Psycho Damian, because they had to give away parts of him to differentiate the characters (Tim became the smart guy, Jason became the smartass, etc) but in the end, he's always the first heir.
And it's honestly about fucking time that DC just accept it and stop trying to make Dick hate the mantle for no goddamn reason.
No.1030034
>>1029925
>This isn't the 60's anymore. Comics can't be taken seriously
You fuckers are what's wrong with comics today. Superhero comics are a cycle. They are designed so past a certain age, you grow out of them. They are not designed for 40+ year olds who demand rigorous continuity because they discovered yesterday that yes, comics are designed with the assumption that you stop reading after 30.
Or at least, they used to be. Nowadays, they are designed to pander to 40+ year olds and that's exactly why they are dying.
No.1030036
>>1030034
That's what I'm saying though. So many writers and the companies themselves wanna take these franchises so seriously that they try to build a continuity that'll never hold itself together with constantly shifting creative teams and the other issues I said before. I suspect the idea of making movies out of these franchises is what's further cemented this idea that they wanna pretend it's a super serious thing that has to be treated like art. Probably why politics are put in so many more comics now.
We all just want fun adventures but we aren't allowed to have that in this day and age. So the industry, if it wants to change so bad, needs to make that effort to reflect however serious they pretend they wanna be. That's why a purely graphic novel format with actual story structure, continuity, and consistency are necessary to make these comics actually be more than they are.
No.1030133
After reading more into it, I keep finding positive things instead of negative things, which are obviously the repetition of the original.
Well, but why blame them to try to be like the original to copy the artistic choices? Let's just see it as a seperate thing made for a different audience. Regarding that, I like:
>there's humor in it, making it more lighthearted. First I thought it sucks with the Rorschach-pancake-stack, but it fits the new Rorschach.
>Mime and Marionette are interesting, but I hope their story leads to something, otherwise it will be disappointing and telling their backstory would have been a waste.
>new Rorschach is great, also the part where Mothman actually flies. The thing with the fire was too obvious though, an overall weakness of the comic.
>Batman appears in the comic, but barely. It still focuses on the other guys, which is rare these days.
>Batman getting Rorschach to Arkham is hilarious.
I don't get why OP is so mad. I haven't seen anything too distracting, out of character or utter nonsense. Besides Bubastis with Manhattan powers, which is kinda dumb. Does that mean everyone could get his power via blood transfusion?
No.1030188
>>1029932
No, but the son Rorschach's nigger psychiatrist took up his costume. Then threw it away after Ozymandias said Rorschach was the reason his parents' marriage fell apart.
No.1030636
>>1030133
>he keeps on making the same post over and over again
The only way you can like this comic is if you hated the point of the original series by Moore.
No.1030639
>>1030636
There was like several different points in swamp wizard's original story.
No.1030640
>>1030639
The overall theme was that the world isn't simple, it can't be boiled down to good vs evil, and there is no simple solution to bringing about world peace. This page isn't saying that Ozymandias plot failed, it's saying that it's only a matter of time before human beings return to their natural state of living, which is conflict, which is war. Watchmen doesn't fit in to the DC universe because in Watchmen super heroes can't save the world.
Doomsday Clock is pointless because it's taking characters that should not interact with eachother, and trying to make some asinine point about how Superman and optimism are the right way and that pessimism and Manhattan are bad, when Watchmen was never about pessimism, it's about reality, not idealism in either direction. Geoff Johns was too stupid to understand what Moore was saying, and now we have a massive comic called Doomsday Clock where Johns tries to take down what he imagines Moore's argument was, and all he's doing is fighting his own imagination. The only thing Doomsday Clock has succeeded in, is dumbing down Watchmen's cast and turning them into cardboard cuttouts on the same level as Batman, Superman, and the Joker.
Basically, instead of Johns trying to elevate himself to Watchmen's level, he brought Watchmen down to the level of all his other comics. Cheap, mildly entertaining, and utterly forgettable. You may be amused by the series for the time being, but after it ends, you'll forget it ever happened.
No.1030643
>>1030640
That's a pretty good way of putting it.
No.1030649
>>1030640
>DC universe because in Watchmen super heroes can't save the world.
And Moore is a retard for trying to make a counter to DC and failing horribly.
Doomsday Clock is the deserved response to his schlock.
>Basically, instead of Johns trying to elevate himself to Watchmen's level, he brought Watchmen down to the level of all his other comics. Cheap, mildly entertaining, and utterly forgettable.
Good may Watchmen forever be irrelevant.
No.1030653
>>1030649
>being this angry that you're too stupid and immature to appreciate Watchmen
Why do people like you have to try take everything in the world and make it your own? Not everything is for you.
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No.1031856
>>1030653
>Why do people like you have to try take everything in the world and make it your own? Not everything is for you.
Nothing is barred from anyone and saying "it's just not FOR you" is Facebook-tier bullshitting.
No.1037293
>>1029748
>November is almost over
>No new issue
Has almighty god intervened on behalf of our poor and weary souls?
No.1037302
>>1029683
>>1029689
I felt New 52 could've worked if they just made it an alternate universe like how Marvel did with the Ultimate Universe. That way they could truly experiment and not be beholden to what came before.
>>1029726
I'm surprised he hasn't been busted earlier for the shit he pulled at Cross Gen and that comic book shop he used to run with that couple.
>>1029743
They're the only new addition I like. They feel like old school villains with an interesting gimmick. Makes me wish they came up with interesting villains like them nowadays.
>>1029746
Who would you get to write it? Grant Morrison?
No.1037322
>>1029689
New 52 was primarily aimed at fixing the Superman line (and to a lesser extent, Wonder Woman and Flash) which was a horrible fucking mess before the New 52. Of course, the New 52 barely changed anything other than giving Superman the ugliest costume imaginable and making him a bit more of an edgy asshole to make him "cool like Batman", forgetting that the reason why Batman's edginess is cool is because he can back it up with action, which New 52 Superman frequently couldn't.
Eventually, DC fucked it so badly, partly because of hack writers deliberately sabotaging it out of nostalgia for "classic" Superman and DC basically throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks, that the only recourse was to reverse the damage by going back to the Pre-New-52 shit, bringing back all of the problems with it and whaddya know, their ship is sinking again, only two years after the change. Actually, they have even more problems now, because of trying to merge the New 52 into the whole mess, ending up with a continuity so utterly fucked that it's difficult to know what the hell is going on.
No.1037337
>all these tears from buttmad Moorefags
>Geoff rightfully retconning the fuck out watchmen and making comics fun again
No.1037346
>>1037293
Don't cheer yet. #8 was solicited for next Wednesday, the 28th of November.
No.1037351
Does anyone know why Cam Smith never inks Gary Frank anymore?
I have a couple of their Gen13 pages and even up close Cam Smith has the most flawless ink lines I’ve ever seen.
No.1037368
>>1029773
I dunno man. I guess there's a loss of the sense of rebelliousness and fun that made these. That and I don't know what Harry is currently doing.
No.1037427
>>1037337
>retconning a self-contained story in its own standalone universe by bringing it into the main DC universe
>instead of just ignoring it and allowing it to stop influencing comics
All Johns did was perpetuate Watchmen and illustrate how even decades later, no one can match Moore's level of storytelling.
No.1037428
>>1031856
>Nothing is barred from anyone
Do you think that Star Wars was a series intended for everyone who ever lived, or specifically for teenage boys? Lucas himself said it was for teenage boys, and he gave us a great expanded universe. Then Disney bought it and said it was for everyone, and gave us the garbage we have now. Do you think that Barbie Dolls are for everyone, or just for girls? When you say something is for everyone, and nothing is barred from anyone, you get absolute garbage that is good for no one.
No.1037438
>>1030640
The most infuriating thing is that faggots like Johns are responsible for making DC Comics into even more grim-dark shit with gore and violence out the ass. So this is him basically trying to wipe his ass clean by claiming that Watchmen is responsible for making the DC universe so dark and hopeless when hacks like him were the ones that did it in the first place.
No.1037446
>>1037428
I can't remember if I started this argument or just continued it or if I was ever even in this thread at the time of the post sucking Watchmen's dick was made but,
>>1037428
>Do you think that Star Wars was a series intended for everyone who ever lived, or specifically for teenage boys? Lucas himself said it was for teenage boys, and he gave us a great expanded universe.
Star Wars was enjoyed by millions of women and grown men before Disney. It doesn't matter what Lucas said.
No.1037972
>>1037446
Why are you saging?
No.1038060
>>1037428
Just because a work is intended for a specific audience does not mean that everyone outside of that audience should be excluded from it, nor have their perspective dismissed.
>When you say something is for everyone
Wasn't ever even stated.
No.1038328
Can't wait to keep reading that comic… for how terrible it is… of course. Oh so terrible. Worse than anything I've read.
Cough.
No.1038372
>>1030640
It could be addressing not necessarily the point of the Watchmen but the reaction it had on the industry and the fallowing years.
No.1038384
>>1038382
End of Issue 8.
Fun fact, apparently this issue was delayed to next week, but some Russian comic app leaked it early. Apparently there's a law in Russia that if you show Putin in fiction, you need to have it approved by the government, so they sent it a week early.
Stay tuned in two months or however long it takes for #9 to come out.
No.1038386
>>1030640
This would resonate more with me if I had any real liking or respect for Watchmen. I don't. Watchmen and Miracleman are two of my most loathed comics. Now if this was Swamp Thing then that would be another thing entirely.
No.1038387
>>1038378
hell yeah thanks man
No.1038393
>>1038384
>Is another "capes can't stop acting like retards and can't even think for a second what they were going to do is the right action" episode.
No.1038410
>>1038384
Wow, good to know this is still going on and it's still incredibly stupid.
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No.1038430
>>1038372
>It could be addressing not necessarily the point of the Watchmen but the reaction it had on the industry and the fallowing years.
>hurrr, I'm not actually addressing the actual comic as I make a sequel to the actual comic with all the characters from that comic in it
No.1038432
>>1038430
I am just saying that it could be making the same point as Kingdom Come but specifically using the Watchmen because that is the perceived source of the "darkening" of comics.
No.1038452
>>1038378
Who's the bird lady? I swear I recognize her, but I cannot remember her name.
No.1038542
>>1038382
>2nd pic
The blue speedster reminds me of the Chinese Flash for some reason.
No.1038572
No.1038578
>>1038572
I think it's the costumes and the hair. They both got blue costumes and have some purple in their hair.
No.1038597
>>1029589
>smart enough to write a sequel to Watchmen
Can we please end this meme of Watchmen being "the smart comic for smart people"?
No.1038637
>>1029744
5th page last row 2nd panel, everything wrong with this fanfic tier bullshit summed up in a single image. Standing on the shoulders of fucking giants, then using your vantage point to shit on them. Come to think of it, everything wrong with everything nowa-fucking-days.
No.1038640
>>1029823
>>1029774
>I don't recall any speedsters in Watchmen
This new generation equal parts frightens and disturbs me. Best part of all, when they assume real power i'll be a frail old shit unable to do anything about it.
No.1038649
>>1029744
>i was wrong
>everything ends
Why would Manhatten even say that? He just entered the DC shitiverse where death doesn't even exist and nothing ever ends.
No.1038656
>>1029652
>dat last page
>dat kayfabe naming the jew irl
Israel is officially not supposed to have nuclear weapons as it violates oh so many goddam agreements and treaties but the worst kept secret amongst the intelligence committees is they have a fuckton. But continually kvetch about Iran getting them.
No.1038658
This is interesting as fanfic tier shit but how much more interesting would it have been if theyd accepted Moore's premise that Veidt's plan worked and shown us what happens after?
No.1038662
>>1029667
>Comedian can beat up Veidt now
>I.. I was drunk, that's why you lost
Fucking stupid. Veidt handed Rorschach and Nite Owl both their asses at the same time. He's no doubt distilled all fighting down to a mathematically perfect martial art, essentially making him unbeatable, especially 1v1. But yea, its cause you were drunk, Eddie. Fuck sake, Johns.
No.1038664
>>1029669
>Yours keeps changing
picardfacepalm.jpg
I am done. I am fucking done.
No.1038673
>>1038658
I thought the point of Veidt's plan was that it would fail since humanity would revert to its nature of fighting itself. Combined with they Ozymandias poem the character is based off of that his plans will fail and he will be forgotten.
No.1038687
>>1038673
It would have worked for at least a few decades.
No.1038691
>>1038687
He shouldn't have been caught at all. All his witnesses are dead or won't talk. He can easily give a cover story if the monster's DNA is tested (especially if at his facility) by saying it came from a parallel Earth. He's a beloved icon of his generation while Wally was regarded as a crackpot serial killer even among that magazine he subscribed to. The whole bit with the plan's exposure just comes off as Johns' salt in action.
It's be more interesting if Veidt was already more or less world's lord but still carried out his inter-dimensional travel plan.
No.1038775
I'm actually not hating this so far. It's not good, but what they do with it is kind of interesting if you look at it as fanfiction.
No.1038797
>>1038662
Comedian handed Ozy his ass the first time they fought. It's not completely out of left field.
No.1038801
>>1037368
>That and I don't know what Harry is currently doing.
Shilling for garbage like Destiny 2
No.1038835
>>1038775
>but what they do with it is kind of interesting
It's not though, because it has no thematic relevance to Watchmen, Dr. Manhatten doesn't even act the same (and there's no reason for his change in personality) and it's incredibly boring.
No.1038836
>>1038797
>Comedian handed Ozy his ass the first time they fought
What are you even talking about?
No.1038842
>>1038384
How can it be "delayed" if it was finished ahead of schedule? I can understand printing SNAFUs, but that's no reason to hold back the digital if it's ready.
No.1038893
>>1038842
>How can it be "delayed" if it was finished ahead of schedule?
Some fuck-up on part of either DC shipping logistics division or Diamond itself, or a deliberate move by DC sales-wise.
No.1038939
>>1038381
Putin v Superman
No.1038971
>>1038379
I thought Iceslasher was the guy who froze people
No.1038982
>>1038836
Comedian defeated Ozymandias the first time they fought.
>I studied his limitations: skillful feint; devastating uppercut; little else… He won. In the short term.
Veidt's description of their first tango.
No.1039035
>>1029600
>>1029616
>>1029816
>comicsgate
>don't worrie, he kick out for poo taste
ur the big gay
No.1039038
God, I love this series. Because it makes stringent fanboys piss their Underoos™ in impotent rage.
No.1039185
>>1039038
>laughs at fanboys raging over Doomsday Cock
<raises holy hell over sjws ruining Marvel
No.1039202
>>1039038
>he thinks Watchman has fanboys like how Batman has fanboys
Projection.
No.1039203
>>1038982
He sparred to learn his moves, moron.
No.1039204
>>1039203
Veidt was inexperienced in his first fight with Blake. And when they fought the 2nd Time Blake was notably older than Veidt, was retired, and having a breakdown.
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No.1039206
>>1039205
>>1039203
Sounds like someone is upset that no considers Before Watchmen canon.
No.1040121
>>1038801
Oh how the mighty have fallen.
>>1039202
From what I remember there were Watchmen fans but the stereotype of them was that they were very pretentious.
No.1040444
>>1040121
Seeing how they butcher the franchise i don't blame them.