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Personally I thought there'd be way more of a beef between Lexcorp and Wayne Enterprises. You can't have corporations that big that are confined to single cities. Luthor would absolutely be using criminal tactics to ensure a new railway through Vietnam uses steel from one of his subsidiaries (it never seems clear exactly what their companies do, so I'm assuming they have a hand in a bit of everything, like Hitachi), and Batman would be fighting him, but would also be aware that this is essentially using his abilities to get Wayne Enterprises a piece of the action.

>>1027711

For corporate wars that'd work but Batman isn't an espionage spy and being a regular muscle protecting Wayne Enterprises property all the time would look extremely suspicious. So Lex and his company would be more of a Bruce Wayne villain than a Batman one.

>>1027711

I'd prefer someone actually from Batman's mythos, rather than constantly cribbing from Lex from Superman. Let Luthor stay where he belongs. It's bad enough that Batman has stolen many other characters from Superman over the years, let's not take his fucking arch-enemy too.

There used to be a fair amount of one-shot corporate villains for Batman back in the 70's and 80's but they all seem to have fallen by the wayside. Might be worth resurrecting and reinventing a few of them.

>>1027706

Speaking of the Joker, I always liked the Sparrow. She was a one-shot villainess from way back in the history of Batman comics but her shtick was effectively being Joker's criminal rival/quasi-love-interest and a femme fatale type (depending on how you read it) who is sort of his polar opposite in that while the Joker is insane and chaotic, she's very much orderly and logical.

Now that DC seems determined to irreversibly ruin Harley Quinn, I thought it would be worth a shot to bring her back again.

Raas Al Ghul, Bane, Hugo Strange, they're all good mental matches for Batman, without the self-defeating OCD of Riddler.

Reaper and KGBeast were good physical matches.

Deathstroke is always the best match for Batman, and the use of guns and healing factor make him a serious threat with a margin for error.

Grendel was almost a mirror image, they both chose to stay in their respective cities after their one fight. I think the only way one could beat the other would be to die trying and take the other with him, so they both decided to let it be.

Prometheus came close, but his dependence on his retard helmet and borrowed skills is always his undoing.

I alwyas thought Riddler worked better as the main Batman villain. In between bouts of beating up normal thug dumbasses, Batman would stay awake for nights on end trying to figure out the latest riddle, because even though the Riddler is just going to steal some shit, it still spits in the face of justice he's fighting for. Nigma is supremely underused, and the only time he does get used it's for edgy bullshit where he's now a fucking psychopath and I hate it.

If I wrote comics, Batman's relationship with the Riddler would be sweet relief for him. He'd enjoy having an opponent actually trying to outsmart him, but if he failed there were no grand stakes involved. He'd come home from a day of beating the shit out of Killer Croc, and be happy that the riddler had published a new taunt in the newspaper for him to figure out

>>1027711

You're forgetting Lex and Bruce are both huge autists who could careless about their corporations.

>>1027735

Speaking of autism, it's "couldn't care less".

>>1027750

Speaking of autism, yes they actually can care much less than they already do, that was intentional.

>>1027755

>autists who could careless

>intentional

Back to Bats.

Much like the Batman Beyond discussion, Bruce's ultimate foil is the city of Gotham.Unrelenting, corrupt, and always throwing new challenges. Otherwise, a surprise Clayface, Scarecrow, Grundy, Two-Face doesn't work as well.

If had to pick a character, it would be Ra's al Ghul or Vandal Savage. Both are the best villains for Bruce to oppose. They operate with different moralties, timescales, but can oppose the entire Bat Family with their resources. They also are immortals with training, meaning they aren't relying on crazy powers.

Deathstroke has pulled the same bullshit as Bats when up against the JL, and Bane broke the Bat. But both are rarely done well, still are great against a solo Batman. Just not great against a fully OP Batman and friends. Why I lean towards the others.

>>1027706

Humpty Dumpty.

>>1027706

The Judge.

>>1027796

Depends if you wanna go the route where Penguin turns to crime because his family's fortune went under while the Wayne's got bigger. Or the classy dancing hall/nightclub/casino owner with corrupt business practices.

>>1027734

Honestly almost all of Batman's villains have been edged up lately. The Joker even, while always a murderer, now buries entire busses full of orphans every other day because that's just what he does I guess and clever writing is hard when I can just turn him into a slasher villain.

>>1027900

Instead of making Joker a competent, intelligent, psychopath, just have him be a run of the mill mass murderer whom all the other criminals in Gotham help escape because they know he’ll be Batman’s priority one and that would take the heat off of them for a while. All the other villains chip in to make this clown murder hobo seem like a credible threat, Crane makes the Joker gas to up the threat level, Harley Quinn is actually an actress in the employ of someone like Penguin who’s only around to keep Joker focused on Batman lest he start fucking with the legitimate criminals. I’m pretty sure this idea has been done before in an edited form,making Joker a controlled threat that the actual criminals let out of the bottle every once in a while to get Batman off their backs.

>>1027706

The guy he shot at the first few issues of his run.

>>1027733

I really liked the Batman/Grendel crossovers. That said, it was made pretty clear that neither version of Grendel is ultimately a match for Batman. One can match Batman mentally, the other physically - but they are both lacking.

>>1027761

>and even tho he is the flash DS could still see the movement and place the sword behind him so to stab flash

That was utterly fucking retarded, it should be literally impossible for Flash to get taken down that way. Dude sees in fucking nanoseconds, Deathstroke would as well be a statue with a very obvious sword stuck out behind him.

But then, that entire storyline was retarded. No wonder DC tried so hard to backtrack on it later.

>I would love to see how the fuck Batman would deal with someone like mysterio-kingpin

Batman already has his own version of Mysterio in The Spook and his own version of The Kingpin in Blockbuster.

>>1028178

>Batman has never been able to defeat death

>What are Lazarus pits

>>1027998

>Honestly, by all means, Hugo Strange should have been the unarguable greatest Batman villain of all time.

No, Strange was one of Batman's "proto-rogues", with guys like Dr. Death and Frenchy Blake. Nondescript bad-guys who were blown out of the water once Batman got his footing when Robin was introduced. Villains that couldn't compete after Bill Finger unleashed his near limitless capacity for trivia on the book.

>>1030374

The get out.

>>1030415

That would be cool villain name. The Get Out.

>>1030471

Would he make portals or just be an extreme escape artist?

>>1030479

Why not both?

>>1030415

>>1030471

>>1030479

>>1030483

The Get Out is Anon's alter ego, he isn't a villain he's an anti hero who hunts down Redditors and deports them back to the outskirts of Cuckchan.

>>1027706

Killler moth had some potential before he was ruined. Making him a millionaire who is a 'superhero' to Gotham's criminals, and terror to police and ordinary citizens is a very interesting idea. Unfortunately, the character has not been handled well, and all that potential is just being wasted. Now he is just another generic costumed villain to beat up, just like other wasted villains.

>>1030509

>Woody Harrelson

>Batman's greatest villain

>>1030509

>implying he's not The Streak's rogue

Music Meister is pretty directly based on Music Master from the Justice League episode Legends. Music Master himself is based on The Fiddler, Flash's villain

>>1027721

>corporate villians

I know BTAS had Roland Dagget as one. Even if he was basically Norman Osborn.

>>1030544

>Woody Harrelson

>Batman's greatest villain

He was voiced by Neil Patrick Harris.

>>1027706

ra's and mr. freeze.

ra's is batman's mission taken to the logical conclusion and victor freeze is batman's thought process taken to it's furthest extreme.

I always liked Two-Face since the only thing you can predict about him is that he'll be unpredictable. Batman even said as much, and that he's the villain he fears the most because he can never use logic to reason what his next move will be.

The obsession he has with duality works well when the writers actually stick to it, and Batman still being hung up on Dent being a good man and potentially able to be saved makes it a more personal struggle, too.

>>1028239

>Villains that couldn't compete after Bill Finger unleashed his near limitless capacity for trivia on the book.

Hmm? what do you mean anon, pardon my newfaggotry

>>1038286

Pull the trigger first.

>>1037030

This, plus Dent is a man of law turned criminal, which makes for nice symmetry with Batman's righteous outlaw.

>>1042777

I kinda felt, he was always under used.

>>1042759

That version of Bane is probably closest thing we will ever get to an accurate portrayal of the character outside the comics.

>>1042777

>>1037030

I'd have to agree; in the right hands, he's far more than just Batman's opposite and is one of the villains most deserving of redemption

on the topic of redemption, I honestly kind of miss the attempted redemption arcs for some of the major villains; Penguin going straight and running his very profitable night club, Riddler becoming the world's greatest detective, Catwoman teaming with Harley and Ivy

and then the writers undo it all because they couldn't be assed to come up with new villains and plots

Hot take: Batman's villains all suck. Joker is beyond overused. Riddler and Penguin are so inconsistent that it's impossible to like them overall. Catwoman is boring. Mr. Freeze is a broken record. Same for Poison Ivy. Bane is actually a retard. Ra's is wasted potential personified. Harley is an annoying bimbo. Two-Face, more like One-note. Speaking of one-note, Firefly and Deadshot. Killer Moth would be cool if he wasn't a joke that's most notable appearance is jobbing to Barbara Gordon pre-crippling. The rest are literal whos. I guess I'll have to go with Mutant Leader. He don't shiv.

>>1042928

Catwoman hasn't really been a villain in a long time, to be fair. I enjoyed the Riddler redemption a lot, but then they removed that with the New 52 which was a shame.

>>1042942

>Batman's villains all suck.

You best be jesting.

>>1042920

No it isn't.

>>1036580

>logical conclusion

Kill everything with an iron fist?

>>1031179

That was a good episode. I use it to torture my Capeshit RPG group. They Like Dr.Horrible and Batman so it's perfect.

Wish there was more Blue Beetle comics from BatB, I liked that Beetle.