/co/ - Comics & Cartoons

Also, here's the chibi shorts for anyone who hasn't seen them yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuSshdGE1Lo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtCTQgokKFQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFaiYsLgqAE

The brand is dead now. The movie mangled it and Legend of Korra stabbed it to death. It hurts that Bryke proceeded to demolish LoK's predecessor every way it could.

>>1010785

>>1010786

>it's been 10 years since Nickelodeon's best show ended

>they haven't produced a single good show since then

>even its own sequel and movie were awful

Don't remind me. At least it got a DVD (and now Bluray) release. I'd love to watch some other shows in better format than a VHS rip uploaded at 2006-tier potato quality.

Here's the DVD upscaled episodes with the fan-remastering. (I just finished rewatching it last week actually. It still holds up really well.)

https://mega.nz/#F!4m5hkIZD!HxUmqybGpf8_OL_tcw9opA

>>1010798

>wanted to spread the wealth and prosperity through the world through colonies

>went to war against a kingdom that is batshit insane, mind rapes citizens when shit gets too hard to deal with and has wimpy soy king who never actually leaves his palace

>was able to have a child at 82 apparently

>was willing to help his friend by fighting a volcano long enough for the island's residents to leave unharmed

>ended the degeneracy of same sex relationships

Sozin did nothing wrong

>>1010793

The prequel’s explain shit that didn’t need be explained and didn’t have the best story that could have possible been told, LoK retcons most of the lore and tells us the character we loved grew up to be assholes and shitty parents, on top of a shit story. At least the prequels had some redeeming shit.

>>1010830

It’s weird how similar they are in regards to raping the previous entries into the series

>>1010841

I think it’s a bit of A & B, E;R went over this in one of his videos saying something along the lines of them redoing the lore just because they could

>10th anniversary of a disappointing ending to a decent show

>>1010872

That was probably my only complaint with the ending. Other than Aang just straight up killing Ozai, what would have served as a better ending than removing his bending via spiritbending?

>>1010785

>would you have continued the series or just let it stay finished?

Should have stayed finished regardless. The 3 seasons they gave were a complete arc that explored the universe one element/nation at a time. We could have seen more Fire Nation but I think that they extensively rewrote the third season after Mako died.

It was perfect as a self-contained story. Any attempt to continue would have the basic problem of LoK - building a new story on the back of another one. The characters and setting in TLA were designed to carry a three-season arc and the writing was extremely economical. There was pretty much no aspect without a purpose. Everything ties to the larger story and comes back in some way. The problem with continuing that kind of story is that everything was written into the show to come back later, and that's already been done. A new show will "need" to bring back those elements that have served their purpose. The world would of course have plenty of unexplored territory but none of that is something the fans will recognize. You need to include and expand on elements that people already know, and that's going to change the way they fit into the original story. We don't need to know how our heroes end up later in life. We don't need to know what their ancestors were like. We don't need to know how the world got this way (ruins the mystery) or how society will grow and change after the story ended (especially not when it shifts from medieval stagnation to industrial revolution all of a sudden).

>>1010873

They had to work the astral connection thing back in somehow. The episode where Aang opens his chakras and explores the cosmic mechanics of bending kind of leaves all of that hanging. Spirit bending is perfectly fine. The execution sucked though. IMO the way to do it would have been to show Aang searching for a way to beat Ozai without killing him and implying (but not showing) that through research, meditation, whatever he was making progress. They could even do some kind of misdirection with chi blocking or something (which honestly seems like the obvious thing to research) and then reveal that he figured out or was judged worthy to be gifted the power to de-bend people.

The thing I hate most about the ending is that they passed up a once-in-a-blue-moon opportunity to not just do the standard "good guy wins because he's so much good-er than the bad guy" cliche. Avatar went further than pretty much any other mainstream animated show ever in terms of realistic characterization and internal struggle. On top of that, it was both very popular and ending anyway, both meaning that they could have risked doing something less mainstream without fear of serious consequences. You also had a convenient setup of “Aang doesn’t want to violate his principles by killing the fire lord”. I find it interesting to image a more bittersweet finale where Aang forces himself to kill Ozai and save the world, but then has to deal with the mental fallout from violating his philosophy. Or if not that, then something else along the lines of “the greater good is more important than your own morality”. But instead, we get the standard “reality changes to conform to your ideology so you don’t have to make difficult choices” ending that you see in other stories for kids.

>>1010798

Kyoshi lezzing out? That's kinda hawt

In retrospect, a Zuko film, not unlike Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker, or Batman: Mask of the Phantasm, or any of the Naruto, Fairy Tail, or the Fullmetal animated films. He was the only character that didn't have his full story told, and is set up in an interesting environment to go further for a single story. Unfortunately, no Mako hurts it. And it could never have the character progression, or emotional impact that the series gave him for his battle with Azula. LoK did a great job of killing the franchise, outside of porn.

>>1011007

The important part of Zuko's story was told. His mother was part of his backstory and motivation, but wasn't something that needed to be resolved. The last we see of Zuko he's reclaimed a position of power and come into his own on a personal level. He'd also grown up searching for someone, so he's finally in a position to resolve the remaining tension in his character. How that happens doesn't need to be shown, just that he's on the path to doing it.

>>1011012

You could still tell a contained story with Zuko. Hell, they could have gone full romantic comedy, and just had Zuko, and Mai doing their own thing.

>How that happens doesn't need to be shown, just that he's on the path to doing it.

And that is why it is about the only thing that could be shown, and not be terrible, deconstructing the franchise. It is not a world ending event that would bring in Aang. Anything else, you get the comics, and you get LoK.

>>1011008

>Roku

Rock with a jap accent. Firebender who likes rock? He loves volcanos: confirmed magma-bender.

>>1011126

Didn't he die from being trapped on a volcano?

>>1011256

I think it was "heat" bending, as in he absorbed the heat of the volcano, and redirected it upword

>>1011256

As the other poster said, I think the intent was that you would perceive the smoke as an indication of the presence of intense heat. By following the smoke, you therefore follow the heat.

Your perception suggests that in your mind, smoke isn't intuitively associated with heat. Personally though, the only place where I'm exposed to that possibility is at a concert or performance with smoke machines. Otherwise, based upon my real observation of bonfires and years of media consumption, I would intuitively assume the movement of smoke indicates the movement of heat.

>>1011311

I think you're conveniently forgetting the pederasty practised amongst the Japanese.

Nobody's asked the most important question yet: who was best girl?

>>1011401

Waifu wars? In this year?

>>1011401

Tai Lee obviously

>tfw Tai Lee will never knock you down by hitting your pressure points and then rape you while you cannot resist

>>1010852

>BK: Not at all! I thought it was a good limitation for her. Not that we thought people would be happy about it, but that was another one where I wasn’t anticipating such an emotional response from people. We didn’t do it to troll anything, but I liked that limitation for her. When you have a fully-realized Avatar, it’s like Superman, and how do you make that interesting?

Every time I listen to these retards I get mad, it's not a limitation if it has no functional impact on her abilities all it does is a remove lore and an avenue for exposition.

IF she actually got weaker and the avatar state no longer worked because, AND THIS IS ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN FUCKING SHOW, the avatar state lets you tap into the energy and expertise of the past avatars. Except korra was just as strong in the avatar state in the next seasons and she never even used her connection to her past lives with her own power she always had assistance or they just appeared on their own.

>>1010852

>When you have a fully-realized Avatar, it’s like Superman, and how do you make that interesting?

Constantly depowering them and making them lose until the last episode and only winning because of the bonds of friendship and family they made instead of their strength since they name is in the title of the show?

>>1012404

First of all, it was a boring, consequence-less filler episode. Second of all, it had a shitty moral (you should lie to people to get them to stop fighting rather than make them work out their differences). Neither of the two tribes recognized that they were acting like idiots and therefore didn’t learn from their mistakes. Thirdly, it made Aang look less like the "hero" he's supposed to be. Fourthly, it had an interesting lore setup which ends up getting completely thrown out due to the shitty resolution. Who was actually right? Maybe they were both right? Or maybe they were both wrong and something else happened? We’ll never fucking know because somebody didnt know how to end the episode intelligently.

>>1012453

>>1012404

IIRC it wasn't just Aang but Sokka and Katara acted out of character. The cliff monsters were also unusually alien for the series.

>>1012404

>After watching Ember Island Players again I now just realized they mentioned that plot then skipped over it entirely.

When Book 3 production started I think Byrke actually asked the fans what they thought was the worst episode was so it could be used as a gag for the EIP episode.

>>1012531

I fucking hope not.

>>1012558

>The Avatar brand was stabbed fatally by the movie and made to bleed out by Korra.

No it wasn't. Korra was bad, season 1 was okay I guess so was season 3 if you pretend this isn't the Avatar franchise but rather 24 with Korra as Jack Bauer or some shit but for the normies who can only focus in a time spam of 5 minutes before what's happening it was some real cool animation with "EPIC" fights and social issues being addressed, mind you this is the same people who can't bother to read a book to learn about ANY social theory in depth.

For 96% of the population Korra is good, not only that, the original series is not better, their short term attention span means that the values or flaws of a series aren't cumulative. And a quality of a series can only be measured by how entertained you are at the moment. Like kids under 11 I swear.

>>1012740

>played Four Elements Trainer

>now cant imagine Zuko being with anyone but Azula

On a side note, I hate how little character development Mai and Ty Lee got in the show. I know it's not that important in the grand scheme of things, but I had a hard time caring about Zuko and Mai's relationship when it was pushed on us without much buildup and then brushed aside.

>>1012740

>a classic.

TLA went out of its way to subvert traditional tropes like that.

>>1012745

Not much less than Sokka and Suki.

>>1010852

>...whose world can now be easily accessed by the likes of Asami.

Fucking stupid wasn't it. It's worse than midichloreans. Suddenly, the spoopy spirit world is just another aspect of their reality, not a spiritual plane. They "sci-fied" the mystical by opening the spirit portals.

>BK: Not at all! I thought it was a good limitation for her.

This fucking grinds my gears mate.

Avatar was the last great episodic show that got it right. Korra fucked up with just basing 1 season around 1 plotline that could have been at least a 4-5 arc. Avatar had duds but at least it was a one off episode something in the way towards the final goal. If Korra had a dud you were stuck with that shit for the rest of the season

>>1012558

>effectively no interest in it outside of tumblr and porn

>implying there's a difference

>>1012615

If Legend of Korra was a success we'd see more from it. Instead Nick has dumped the franchise into tumblrina friendly comics. LoK was too expensive to produce, failing to achieve needed ratings to make the show worthwhile. Hence dumping it online.

>>1013984

LoK turned spirits into interdimensional invaders who also doubled as a stand-in for immigrants. Complete with inventing a plot point of forceful segregation despite travel between spirit and man's world being possible in TLA for both (in select circumstances for humans, admittedly). It leads to the likes of Hanbei being retroactively some sort of DnD style high level apirit.

The show abadoned the earnest spirirually of its predescessor to replace it with a secular, post-modernist, attitude.

>>1014380

it's an SLG made in RenPy that chronicles the growth of a new Avatar as he is spirit-thrust and time traveled into places and scenarios based on the show. But our hero is a pervert and fucks the girls in each scenario while learning bending from them

the scenarios have different tone routes depending on whether you want romance or coercion

Water has Katara (you inhabit Aang's body)

Fire has Azula. And Mai. And Tai Lee. And the lesbian captain of the guard who you can still fuck once you outrank her. But mainly Azula. (Romance route makes you Zuko, coercion route makes you a random bender (who is customizable last I checked))

Earth has Toph, Joo Dee, etc. from the Earth kingdom (Aang again)

Wind is looking like you'll be learning from Whorra, but it might surprise us, cast you as Whorra, and have you working with the airbender loli while fucking your friends (Bolin deserved better)

>>1012404

It's funny that you should mention Ember Island Players because for all the faults that The Great Divide had (and I think the overall moral was actually less that you should lie to people and more that you shouldn't get tied up in petty grudges that wreck generation after generation), I will easily put Ember Island Players as the worst episode of the show. Aside from not making any sense in-canon, it also grinds the plot to a complete halt for pointless wink-wink-nudge-nudge gags that aren't really that funny unless you are six years old and it doesn't advance any of the character development aside from Bryke basically poking fun at fans. It was one of the first times I genuinely realized that Bryke were actually completely egotistical dickheads up their own asses and this was years before Korra.

>>1010785

I could have seen a follow-up series that would really explore how the setting fundamentally works (keep in mind the theme in The Last Airbender of being sceptical of how things are said to work) and would involve discovering what different things could really drive the different supernatural elements in the world and going into the world of the spirits to see how the world came from them being really cool.

But that's all out the window now that that good old trash-heap Korra's been produced, hey?

>>1015416

The Last Airbender didn't need a follow-up. There were no mysteries to solve. No enemies left to fight. Bryke had to resort to inventing enemies and/or conflicts out of place with the predecessor show (a bender leading some ridiculous non-bender supremacy movement, Satan, an edgier version of the White Lotus, Girl Hitler with a giant mecha) to compensate for how little room there was to contiune from TLA. And they proceeded to go and kill the setting so hard only a reboot could salvage it.

>>1015600

Well, if you like trainer-stuff, there's always this little gem.

https://exhentai.org/g/851105/9d0071bdc4/

>>1015510

>There were no mysteries to solve

Yes there were. Not to be solved by the people behind Korra, to be sure, but there were lots of things still to be explored about the setting - i.e., what I describe in my last post.

>>1015600

>Dykeshieet

Fuck off.

>>1015740

Asking something like how the spirit world came from them isn't "solving mysteries" since the show never brought up the question. It's pulling a George Lucas or Hideo Kojima and forcing in answers to questions that weren't asked. You could have at least brought up Zuko's mother as a mystery (and even that didn't really need a follow-up).

Avatar should ended with Aang. If we're at the point of continuing for Lucas style mysteries then we should just make a similar but different series that isn't connected in-story.

I'm surprised Koh the face eater didn't get used later on as a villain in LOK. Seriously, you had potential with him right there.

>>1017189

I always thought what made an anime was the fact it was made in Japan. As far as I know ATLA was animated by Koreans with the storyboards done in America. So I don't think it's anime but it has some influences mainly through the artstyle.

>>1017189

I find it funny that weebs will always be the first to remind people that Avatar is not technically an anime, and yet will also claim that the only reason why Avatar was good is because it was so much like an anime.

A return to form mini series might be nice. LoK was a jump way too far that sort of shattered the established world, so maybe going back and showing some side stories could be good.

Never going to happen but I wouldn't mind a bunch of short stories put up on their own like a broken up stories episode could make a nice last hurrah.

>>1010983

Wanna make that rpg public?

>>1017191

Isn't most anime animated by Korea these days?

>>1017189

The reason it doesn't feel like a genuine anime is because it's narrative is actually properly structured and makes complete sense. It's missing the "what the fuck" factor all anime have.

>>1017204

I guess.

>>1017170

>Koh

Koh doesn't fit in LoK's version of spirits and their world. He's actively malevolent (not acting to counter a crime done to him by some humans like Hei Bai was) in a fairy tale way without being some "dark" spirit. Him being so dangerous is also at odds with how LoK insisted spirits need to be allowed to go into the human's world with the dark ones in it only so from someone else's fault.

>>1018176

Looks like cuckco came here.

>>1010793

>I still can't decide if LoK was as bad for Avatar as the prequels were to Star Wars, or if LoK actually did more harm.

Here's a comparison of the two

>George Lucas

>3 movies that become a pop cultural hit

>15 year production gap between filming SW ep 6 and SW ep 1 which he spent raising his adopted kids, directing/producing a occasional movie, SW game production stuff and of course co-working on Indiana Jones with Spielberg.

>Even helps co-produce and oversee script stuff like The Land Before Time (he suggested to make Cera the triceratops a girl while still retaining the personality she had when written as boy)

>Gains tons of fuck you money thanks to SW merch rights

>Picks up a "yes man" mentality (unintentionally?) because people don't know about all the others who helped him work on writing for the OT and just associate creative SW ideas with himself (if Lucas does something IT must be good and right because he created SW and we shouldn't argue with that, no matter how bad his ideas seem!)

>Said yes man stuff fucks over ep 1, fan backlash happens, possible story ideas (Jar Jar being evil?) get dropped over it, Lucas gets reigned in a little bit.

>Lucas has long admitted he doesn't like directing and really seems to be more of an story idea guy.

>Clone Wars 3D series shows what greatness we can get out of Star Wars prequel era if Lucas stands back and provides story ideas (and funding) while having other writers handle it (like Dave Filoni who worked on Book 1 of A:TLA).

>Bryke (two men)

>Co-create a series with a large amount of writing assistance of other experienced animation team members to back them up like Aaron Ehasz who basically wrote Book 2 (the best received season) by himself, yet Bryke gets the credit

>Four year production gap between A:TLA Book 3 final and TLoK Book 1 where they didn't create anything else, while having to suffer because of the live action The Last Airbender movie negative reaction possibly hurting the series name.

>Tons of staff from A:TLA moved on to other shows within that four years

>Bryke writes the Book 1 of Korra by themselves as a "self contained mini series" and even mentions being inspired by Game of Thrones seasons without mention that series has hour long episodes and they have half the time length.

>The on/off Korra/Mako romance may have been pandering to the Zutara fans of A:TLA.

>Nick gives funding for another season part way in Book 1 production which still doesn't help them join Book 1 and 2 together, leading to Book 2 also feeling disjointed

>They even hire other writers to work on the other Books episodes

>Book 3 and 4 are funded together and feel more attached and yet Nick still fucked them over and pulled an episode's funding causing them to have a clip show episode (possibly money mismanagement or just Nick just being cheap? Remember Nick threw in funding to make an extra epsiode for A:TLA Book 3 final when Bryke asked)

>Book 4 ending has the most fucked up romantic ending that came out of nowhere that turns all criticism of the series into "you're a homophobe!/the Electronic Arts wave the LGBT flag defense technique" if you didn't like it.

>In the end they made a series that feels disjointed from the A:TLA and even retcons basic stuff. Also seems like they had to keep adding more and more A:TLA characters as desperate pandering fanservice to each new Book to keep the audience watching

>LGBT pandering crap now even effects the comics and tries to claim LGBT stuff even for character of the pre and then A:TLA time settings.

Honestly feel more annoyed at Bryke than Lucas because it seems like they had a lower chance of fucking up and yet still did. They also haven't created anything else of worth yet and those two future graphic novel projects don't look to help them do any favors.

>>1018346

LoK was doing worse in ratings compared to TLA. You can argue what the fault was but it happened and it certainly had to do with the Nick higher ups' attitude. The Avatar brand turned out to be dying anyway despite the obvious desperate publicity stunt called Korrasami.

>>1018350

Regardless, the Avatar brand is more or less dead now considering it's been years since LoK ended yet we've only gotten some comics. It's obvious that even the higher ups at Nick see it as damaged goods.

>>1018263

On the one hand, Amon was already pretty heavily undermined. Going from a "normal" guy who won his fights through sheer skill and intimidation to a top tier waterbender with psychic bloodbending hacks, and having his motivation go from vague equality shit to "I hate the Avatar because he punked my abusive dad a long time ago" was fucking stupid. So I don't really mind divorcing the Equalists from him.

On the other hand

>anything to do with Korra's spirit world

>Vaatu at all

It's trash.

>>1018415

If Amon has to be a bender then the Anti-Bender part of the Equalists needs to be toned down or gone. Having benders be the target of persecution or be in some privileged position not only doesn't fit with what TLA established, but the introduction of technology on the level of LoK's would weaken/remove any bending elite (just as it did to Western knights, Japanese samurai, and Chinese martial artists). The industrialization of the Avatar world should lead to that outcome.

At LoK's start, show a firebender scraping a living as a fry cook. A waterbender who can't find any job except as an overworked healer, a resource to be used and replaced by another at the first misstep. An earthbender who works construction. The once noble arts are made commodities, stripped of their respect. Thanks to this, the Avatar loses esteem. Little care about so-called spiritual authority now. Korra is ignored and never gets near the halls of power. At least early on. She's not hidden away either (and the White Lotus being her sidekicks never happens, instead they stick closer to what TLA had for them). Doesn't become such a petulant child hopefully.

Either all that or don't move the setting into an oriental version of the post-WW1 world.

>>1018415

Every villain's motivation in LoK was shit and didn't make any sense. I mean, what were any of them trying to get out of this? At least Ozai was simple: he wanted to rule the world and realize the vision of his ancestors.

>>1018439

When you think about it, benders are massively dangerous. A fire bender is basically born with a flamethrower in his hands. Imagine the sheer potential for abuse. It doesn't even have to be intentional, imagine the damage a drunk earth bender could do in a heavily populated are where all the buildings are made from bricks. This would not be an issue in a village where all huts are built from wood, but in a city with each building having several floor one guy could kill entire families just by accident.

>>1018415

>>1018524

>>1018263

I think nonbender vs bender would work better with the benders being the antagonists. It could reflect the progressive and later nazi beliefs about eugenics that was incredibly prevalent in the early 1900s (you had a ton of people being sterilized, mostly the mentally challenged).

You could have people getting sick and losing their bending, then it gets blamed on a disease that nonbenders carry and it could happen to mostly drunks. Then in the midst of the city taking action against the poor non-benders you could have amon rise up as a symbol of defiance for them with the express purpose of expanding the divide and securing power for the bender/progressive party. Anyway you could turn tarlok into a surgeon waterbender who specializes in healing and takes office, later korra finds out he's amon but he convinces her he does it to be a symbol of hope and when he becomes head honcho of the city he plans to reveal and unite the split people. Later you find out he discovered how to take away bending after treating someone with a head injury and he's been rendition opponents and random people to incite chaos so he and the progressive party could get rid of as much of the poor (and now violent) underclass as he can and make their city on a hill.

You could also have tarlok teach the technique to other waterbenders in his employ so that they can remove the bending of people who come in for an epidemic of an unrelated illness they've spread.

As for motivation he could cite the firebenders dysgenic campaign on the southern water tribe that devastated it as a fighting force and left it with very few waterbenders, he could pontificate on how if selective breeding could be used to destroy it could also be used to create the perfect people.

>>1018691

Continuing this train of thought, Unalaq would be better as the bending reactionary to Tarlokk/Amon's bending progreseive instead of "spirits, Spirits, SPIRITS." Either that or Varrick exploits Vaatu.

>>1018340

How would LoK have turned out if George Lucas directed it? Basically, who would be the franchise's Jar-Jar?

>>1027553

Is Avatar really any better under Nickelodeons hands, especially after they just let Kikeflix make a live action adaptation of it?

>>1015395

post it Fag

>>1027553

Spoiler that shit.

>>1027614

I hated that little faggot, I hope there is an option to cuck him in the game.

>>1012745

mein negger

>>1027553

>>>/zoo/

>>1034582

The Prequels and Korra are both meh to bad.

>>1034657

Prequels were meh, possibly decent with episode 3, Korra was just plain bad.

>>1018691

I'm mostly annoyed that the de-bending didn't build on any of the possible explanations from the original series. Not chi blockers. Not problems with mindset (like Aang and Earthbending or Zuko when he finally turned good). Instead it's bullshit about bloodbendign.

>>1018691

AtlA made a point to highlight several characters who were all on par with benders, even master benders, through sheer talent and skill. Sokka's whole character arc over all 3 seasons was about him proving his worth without having bullshit magic super powers. To contrast that, they made a point to show that bending was not easily learned and that Aang's ability to master all 4 elements was because he was the Avatar, and even then, he had plenty of trouble with it. Likewise, bending was shown to be something that needed constant physical practice, mastery of the forms, alongside a healthy spiritual balance. Zuko being a spastic shit and an emotional trainwreck had a lot to do with that. Aang having trouble with firebending because of the philosophical component, and so on.

Korra threw all that shit out the window. Now Bending is something you can just do if you have the magic blood that says you can do it, a toddler like Korra can master multiple forms of bending the moment they realize its possible. No one really needs to study or practice or master anything, it's just the fucking x-gene and if you've got it, you have superpowers and you can shoot lightning and metalbend as much as you want, and nothing a normal person does will ever measure up to the Bender Ubermensch. Except chi blocking, except not chi blocking because shock gloves and mechs, except neither of those things because giant robots in Avatar is fucking dumb.

>>1034669

The obvious example of how LoK treats bending differently (too differently) from TLA is the situation with the Air Acolytes. They followed the teachings of the Air Nomads even with no bending, and yet when Korra let the portals stay open they weren't even close to the first to be blessed with airbending. Spiritual practices in association with earning bending only came up for Zaheer, and it really only served to hype him as a threat (complete with getting to fly).

That alone shows the transformation of benders into more or less cape comic superhumans/mutants.

>>1010798

Anyone still have the fanart of the LoK characters before we knew anything about it? I remember an image of them being in 1920's attire and dancing to swing music. Sucks that the theory's were so much cooler than the final product.

What do you think ATLA/TLOK would have been like if they had been developed in the East (Japan/China/Korea) instead of the West (U.S.)?

>>1034804

I guess if it was in China it would've played up the Chinese mythology aspect with references to stories like Journey to the West.

>>1034672

Pretty sure Zaheer getting bending was supposed to just be coincidence, that out of all the people who randomly got bending someone actually had studied the lore.

>>1034804

Probably wouldn't have done the "yin and yang are just Asian for good and evil, right?" cliche.

>>1034818

>Pretty sure Zaheer getting bending was supposed to just be coincidence, that out of all the people who randomly got bending someone actually had studied the lore.

I know that, hence me saying that Zaheer's spiritual just served to hype him as a threat (getting to fly).

>Probably wouldn't have done the "yin and yang are just Asian for good and evil, right?" cliche.

Japanese works do include "balance between light and dark" plots (or at least present darkness as having a legitimate place in creation/man). It comes up in Sailor Moon with Chaos, Final Fantasy and Castlevania (namely in Final Fantasy III and the Soma Cruz games), Persona with Philemon and Nyarlathotep. Vaatu could be presented as indeed Raava's other side (and if the "Avatar is the spirit of world" backstory stays, perhaps the world's darkness, will to change, drive for conquest). Alternatively, there could be more of a Shinto angle where Vaatu is the manifestation of some pollution in creation and so not the Avatar/Raava/Whatever's opposing negative.

The key problem with Raava and Vaatu (and other Western attempts to use Taoist symbolism) is that they're in conflict. Yin and Yang work in concert. It's not "good against evil", "light against darkness", "chaos against order", but harmony. Harmony formed from the primordial chaos.

Vaatu owes far more to the Manichean "shadow adversary of God" (Angra Mainyu, the King of Darkness, Satan in some interpretations) than to Yin. From his sex (male, when Yin is female), aggression (Yang is associated with war), and obvious need to defeated by Raava. It's ridiculous how the showrunners messed this up considering how it was said that lightningbending is down when a firebender separates the Yin and Yang of one's body, and when they come back together they create an explosion of energy that can be redirected as lightning if one is cool and focused.

>>1034983

With the whole lightning bending it makes me think Bryke didn't write it. Then again I would have to check the writing credits to be sure.

>>1035034

Aaron Ehasz wrote Bitter Work (the episode where Iroh tells how lightningbending is done). Ehasz has a Bachelor's degree in Philosophy from Harvard so you can credit him for that.

>>1035514

>doing your undergrad at an Ivy League school

why tho

>>1035534

Hey, it might have helped keep TLA from being LoK.

>>1035545

It is generally agreed that Ehasz was a significant positive and corrective influence on the production.

>>1035632

who drew that?

>>1035929

But Dragon Prince is meh to garbage with transparent tumblr pandering (Kang, deaf general) which means TLA was either a fluke or they all canceled out each-others horrid ideas.

>>1035940

Maybe some of the people Ehasz brought on were responsible for the tumblr pandering? Honestly, one of my problems with Dragon Prince is how the fantasy setting comes off as generic. It's like they didn't think it through with how the world worked compared to ATLA.

>>1035992

Ehasz praised Legend of Korra.

>>1036049

Does that really surprise you? With the amount of sycophantic dick-sucking in the industry to do otherwise would be career-suicide. Doubly so is it's something so "Brave and stunning"

>>1036052

He could have just not commented on it.

>>1036056

Given his involvement in the preceeding series? I doubt that would have flown

>>1036057

It settled every plot point. Zuko's mother doens't really need to be shown getting found by him if she's even still alive (she could have just been dead instead of running off to get her face replaced abandoning her children while doing it).

>>1036086

Katara taking over the fight is the only thing I can think of that would have ended the fight without Azula getting severely injured. Zuko had no real way of disabling Azula like Katara did. If he hadn't gotten taken out, then Azula probably would have just kept going until Zuko was forced to incapacitate her through overwhelming force as opposed to just locking her up.

Reminder that Aang not only not killing Firelord Ozai but getting a brand-new powerup to take his bending away even after learning that he can't put his ideals as an Air Nomad above his duty as Avatar is horrid writing.

>>1036096

This, even Kira Yammato killed that Char clone at the end of SEED

>>1036049

>>1036052

>>1036056

>>1036059

Here's a good question.

When was the last time you have heard of a person in a similar creative position who criticized a new series when asked about it?

>>1036184

Closest I can think of in recent memory, and not even quite on par, would be Mark Hamil saying how he disliked how Luke was treated in The Last Jedi. And how oh so conveniently he had to completely retract that statement under absolutely no coercion, blackmail or legal threats at all in any way whatsoever from the mouse.

>>1036127

Only because the writers didn't want him to live, if they did they would have come up with a way to keep him alive that would have made Aang not killing Firelord Ozai look like great writing.

>>1010834

>they even have the same pose

>>1036600

Would crippling Ozai work? Aang makes him a paraplegic thus removing him as a threat without taking his life?

>>1036628

Can't he also breathe fire though? I think we've only seen Iroh do it, but surely any skilled enough firebender could too.

Even barring that, he could still do all kinds of shit with just his arms.

It'd be easier to just send him to that volcano prison I forgot the name of. They're already well versed in containing firebending criminals, and they have the cold rooms in case he gets too rowdy. Plus he just ends up in prison either way, so it wouldn't have even made a difference.

That would have been a better ending IMO, thinking about it. It would have resolved the story without having to resort to Deus-Ex Machina spirit power nonsense.

>>1036634

So how would Aang subdue him before taking him to the prison? Encasing him in rock and knocking him out or something?

Crippling Ozai doesn't deal with the problem of him being the Fire Lord who should have plenty of supporters in the Fire Nation. Plenty of them who see nothing badwrong about crushing the other kingdoms.

Leaving Ozai alive leaves him in the position to be become a rallying point by those salty about Zuko's policies.

>>1036639

Why not? He wouldn't even necessarily have to do that. The Dailee or however it's spelled use their earthbending to bind and cuff dissenters, so Aang could have just worn down Ozai until he was tired and then bound him up.

>>1036641

With the Avatar plus the combined might of the Water Tribes and the Earth Kingdom backing him up, I can't imagine that Zuko would have too many problems. Plus I would think that the Fire Nation people were a bit terse about Azula being given command right near the end, what with her being completely unhinged. Plus despite effectively being the head of a foreign enstated occupied government, Zuko is still a royal family member, which alone should minimize popular dissent.

>>1036645

Azula was only in charge of the Fire Nation for one day; I doubt the people at large would even have had enough time to hear about that, much less object to it.

>>1036645

In the comics sequel Zuko does get some opposition from Ozai loyalists.

>>1036645

>With the Avatar plus the combined might of the Water Tribes and the Earth Kingdom backing him up

They were just released from a century long war that had them get mowed over by the FN.

>Plus I would think that the Fire Nation people were a bit terse about Azula being given command right near the end, what with her being completely unhinged

She hardly ruled. The citizenry wouldn't know much about her current state before she was defeated.

>Plus despite effectively being the head of a foreign enstated occupied government, Zuko is still a royal family member, which alone should minimize popular dissent.

And if the other countries start demanding territory? Reparations? Even the comics had a story arc where Zuko ran into problems on how to handle the issue of FN colonies (which amusingly enough considering Bryke's politics, was sympathetic to the colonists, although not surprising considering the Wan backstory establishing spirits as invaders yet it's on humans to accept and accommodate them into the human world).

>>1036683

>Azula

>dyke

she clearly wanted Zuko's dick

>>1036654

Wait, that was a legit thing?

I thought that was some 13 year old's pet deviantart project.

I'm disappointed that they did almost nothing with "soundbending", considering how willing they were to throw shit like lightningbending into the show. There were a couple instances of airbenders using bending to amplify sounds, but they could have done so much more with it than just that.

>>1037128

I'd rather they didn't go overboard on the bending special abilities like they actually did (see Legend of Korra and Mako with Bolin doing lightningbending with lavabending). It especially applies to the LoK lead villians since just about all of them had gimmicks to make them not just master benders (Amon with his bloodbending that both let him achieve the effects of spiritbendnig and effectively have telekinesis, Unalaq with his dark spiritbending, Zaheer both leading a squad of special benders and getting to fly, Kuvira in her giant robot).

>>1037153

>he doesn't know about the Dark Avatar

>>1037153

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Unalaq

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Vaatu

http://avatar.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_spirits

Just read these.

>>1037164

The shitty thing is that those first two episodes where he's acting really nice and sympathetic to Korra are actually interesting. The idea of some intelligent villain taking advantage of Korra's stupidity and manipulating her into serving him is a neat idea, one that takes a weakness of the show and turns it into a storytelling strength. Obviously you couldn't have kept it up forever, but it would have been a fun third or half of the season.

But nope, by episode three Unalaq's gone full Snidely Whiplash and we never get anything more interesting from him. Well, except maybe for the giant kaiju fight.

>>1037166

>The shitty thing is that those first two episodes where he's acting really nice and sympathetic to Korra are actually interesting.

They depended on Korra doing some forced Anakin Skywalker impression (with Unalaq as her Palpatine), just about nobody finding Unalaq's control over spirits suspicious, and retconnning how Korra ended up in the White Lotus' care just so she could have her little family drama with Tonraq.

>But nope, by episode three Unalaq's gone full Snidely Whiplash and we never get anything more interesting from him. Well, except maybe for the giant kaiju fight.

He had no solid goal and background for his actions. If he was trying to unleash Unalaq the whole time and wasn't magically corrupted or tricked while the season was going on then he had no need to bother with the civil war. Not even to seize the portals (since he was already ruler and so could just visit both portals). Him doing so just drew too much attention to what he was doing.

Unalaq's whole character is sloppy. Like the showrunners just sloppily fused what started as two separate antagonists (a Water Tribe reactionary and a scheming cultist for a dark god) into one.

>>1037164

I'm not one for the whole 'always subvert their expectations' shit that so many writers try, but Unalaq was so damn transparently, needlessly evil that doing just about anything beyond making him evil purely for the sake of being evil would have been a good move.

Then again, Bryke have some fucked up daddy issues so of course a surrogate father figure would be evil.

At least we got Varrick out of that season

we could had had it all

>>1037178

And we got Bolin as a film star.

>you know your season is shit when the best fight is Bolin against some dudes while mimicking the actions of him as an actor on the silver screen

>it's also a fight of the b plot, involving Varrick kidnapping the mayor, which has nothing to do with Unalaq

>>1037223

Aye, though Bolin was probably the only consistently enjoyable and sympathetic character throughout the entirety of the show. Maybe Tenzin too.

>>1037178

The way to do a grey Unalaq is that he needs to be less a cackling supervillain who doubles as a poor man's Ozai (see his backstory of framing Tonraq, an obvious retread of Ozai's rivalry with Iroh) who allies with a god of darkness to destroy the world and more a sincere defender of his land, one that after long years of defending/ruling the NWT (namely during the war between the south and north poles which predates his rule) loses his faith in tribal friendship/humanity/the post-war ideals and sees that transforming his kingdom by tapping into the primordial darkness (better Vaatu) is the only way for it to stay strong in the changing world yet maintain tradition. He should also have more genuine supporters who agree with his vision unlike in the show where more or less nobody agrees with him on the state of Water Tribe traditions.

>>1037223

The Republic City characters struggled to be relevant after Amon's defeat. The little drama with Varrick was just an attempt to give Asami/Mako/Bolin/Lin something to do while Korra was having her family quarrel with Tonraq and then Unalaq.

>>1037228

Don't forget Lin Beifong. She had solid grounds to not speak with her sister and mother but we're obviously supposed to see her as a mean harpy picking on poor widdle Suyin and Toph.

>>1037240

In a show full of baffling characters Suyin is the most baffling of them all. How did Bryke ever think that she would come across as sympathetic? She's literally a spoiled, conniving brat who never gets her comeuppance. Fuck, she also kills P'Li, so she's a cold-blooded butcher as well.

>>1037269

Toph is no better. Neglecting her daughters, covers up her younger daughter's crime and dumps her off on her own mother, tells Lin she can hate her if it pleases her like her older daughter is the one who committed a shameful act, acts like a wannabe Yoda even though she was shown in TLA as disregarding spiritual matters.

>>1037269

Thing about Suyin is she's the, and heaven help me if I come across as some sort of anarchist or worse, dream of the liberal elitists. She carved out her own little duchy, she lives without a care in the world in her own private estate, her dynasty likewise have not a modicum of worldly cares or responsibility, they never worry about food on their tables in their gilded hall, they're all the artists and upperclass snobs living lives of decadence without ever being shown to have earned the means of their livelihoods. Not to mention the little private army she's got on retainer to make sure her quaint gated community is kept safe and sound.

Everything about her and her brood rubs me the wrong way.

>>1037301

It's funny when they first introduced Suyin's city I though they were going to make it a subtle dystopia like how they did with Ba Sing Se.

>>1037303

Yeah, it would have been nice to see anything aside from the gilded halls and upper crust shininess, some farms, some mines, just about anything aside from the utopian facade.

P.S. There is no war in Ba Sing Se

P.P.S. Opal is a man stealing whore who deserves a long drawn out exsanguination in public view as a warning to others.

>>1037301

Don't leave out how she complains about the monarchy, treating it as outdated, yet complains about Kuvira's methods before she seized the throne while doing just about nothing to restore order the Earth Kingdom.

>>1037303

>>1037311

Suyin is an obvious writer's pet who was retconned into the story (Lin doesn't mention any siblings before Book 3 and Toph has no other children mentioned) to avoid giving a straight answer on who Toph paired with. Of course she won't be a villain (and not in a "he wuz rite all long" way like they tried with Unalaq).

>>1037340

>This backstory utterly butchers the concepts of yin/yang and balance and ruins the idea of the Avatar mediating conflict and keeping the world in harmony by turning them into the Good Guy and Light Guy.

It changes the Avatar from a representative of the world's structure (hence being human and spirit, man and woman, each land, each element) to a strongman who crushes skulls to keep the dirty tree-killing meat-eating humans in line. It's more grounded in Western ideas of man needing a redeemer for his sinfulness than in how the Far East traditionally sees Buddha or Confucius. Especially when Wan's flashback had him be treated as "the ideal human" who's repeatedly said to not be like other humans.

>>1037344

That's what I said in fewer words. I also say that the civil war should have not only started before Unalaq took the throne but should have more to it than just "conservative northerners who are really pawns of the antichrist being meanies to the progressive southerners."

Also, Unalaq has no ties to the Red Lotus whatsoever (I'm thinking they should just be scrapped). He's the legit ruler of the Water Tribes (be it being the older brother or just gaining the position without framing Tonraq) who while having his disagreements with his brother and his faction he's not such an obvious repeat of Ozai's relationship with Iroh (corrupt usurper younger brother against valiant rightful older brother).

>>1037350

>It changes the Avatar from a representative of the world's structure (hence being human and spirit, man and woman, each land, each element) to a strongman who crushes skulls to keep the dirty tree-killing meat-eating humans in line. It's more grounded in Western ideas of man needing a redeemer for his sinfulness than in how the Far East traditionally sees Buddha or Confucius. Especially when Wan's flashback had him be treated as "the ideal human" who's repeatedly said to not be like other humans.

Pretty much exactly this.

>I also say that the civil war should have not only started before Unalaq took the throne but should have more to it

Civil wars are great for drama in theory but it isn't even clear what's going on so there's no intrigue to be had. The Water Tribe was perfectly very ripe for a civil war plot because of the century of separation that was still in the process of ending.

>>1037359

>Aang didn't "charm" Hei Bai. He visited his domain where he talked to him

You are correct. Just like Korra with everything, Unalaq got the same results for basically zero effort.

>>1037342

Now that you mention it I did get some Rapture vibes from Xiaofu.

>>1037342

>>1037371

I doubt she had an ideology beyond "Stron Womyn." As someone on tumblr pointed out, her character comes off as designed to address criticisms:

>It’s obvious that Suyin’s presence was correlated to fan criticism, not only because they tried too hard (You want a mother figure? How about a daughter of a fan favorite character? And she’ll have four, no, five children! And everyone will look up to her! And she’ll be an artist and happily married and the leader of the bestest city ever!), but because they awkwardly had to introduce her in Book Three as Lin’s sister that no one had seen or heard of before. The entire sibling rivalry plot with Lin only existed because they couldn’t explain Suyin’s sudden introduction any other way. (Still, you’d think Tenzin would have mentioned her at some point in the first two books! Oh, well.) And as Mary Sues are wont to, she does terrible things throughout The Legend of Korra without acknowledging her mistakes, much less growing from them, and without suffering any negative consequences for her actions.

>>1037378

Here's the link to that paragraph:

http://araeph.tumblr.com/post/152028334090/was-it-just-me-or-was-anyone-else-really

>>1037810

Fuck off Zutarian, how many times do we have to kill your delusions?

>>1037810

Aang is the stronger bender. Zuko blew his chances in the caves.

I shrug my shoulders, because my reaction image folder is on my other computer.

>>1037370

>He was shown allied with Wan Shi Tong

Oh god I think I repressed my memories of this because it was so stupid.

>>1037378

>As someone on tumblr pointed out, her character comes off as designed to address criticisms:

Those aren't even good criticisms even though it makes sense to explain her being there. It's pretty annoying that they introduce her after Tenzin's siblings because it's not only a rehash of the "family can't get along" bit, but it becomes extremely obvious that Suyin was an afterthought.

>>1037810

Katarra's romantic feelings didn't really make sense but that doesn't mean if she was written better they would make no sense a different way.

>>1037935

No, she just hates straight people.

>>1037888

>Oh god I think I repressed my memories of this because it was so stupid.

They just forced WST into the role since he was a notable spirit from TLA who was hostile towards humanity. Never mind we see plenty of signs that Vaatu hardly is some messiah for the spirits, instead he bring terror to them.

>Those aren't even good criticisms even though it makes sense to explain her being there. It's pretty annoying that they introduce her after Tenzin's siblings because it's not only a rehash of the "family can't get along" bit, but it becomes extremely obvious that Suyin was an afterthought.

It's ridiculous for Suyin to be the daughter of a legend like Toph, sister of Chief Beifong, a globetrotter, and founder of a famed city without any signs of her even being around before Book Change. Her being dead to Lin shouldn't make much of a difference.

>>1037961

>Wan Shi Tong

Wouldn't it make more sense for them to use Koh the Face stealer. He's already a malevolant spirit and he's iconic.

>>1037968

LoK says Toph neglected her daughters and dumped the criminal one off at her mother's instead of disciplining her herself.

>>1037976

The plot they were doing needed Jinora to end up in WST's library. And for Owlman to be actively an enemy of her rather than just a grumpy neutral like in TLA. Koh just didn't come up in LoK.

>>1037982

>The Phantom Menace of the Avatar franchise says –

Please. The only reason anyone liked that shit was because it had a gay couple at the end and once Adventure Time one-up'd them with an actual kiss it lost the one thing people still came there for.

>>1038182

>the connection of the spirit world and spirit upheaval

What? I can't off the top of my head remember something like that from before Korra S2.

>>1038026

>The Phantom Menace

Legend of Korra is Avatar's The Last Jedi. It's obvious enough:

>Repeatedly show fathers/patriarchal/masculine authority as absent, villainous, or otherwise defective while worshiping mothers/maternal/feminine authority.

>Try to play with "moral ambiguity" and "greyer conflict."

>Say that traditions of spiritual importance need to be abandoned if they aren't "inclusive" or "accepting" enough.

>Overall take a deconstructive attitude towards predecessors.

>>1038182

Koh wouldn't fit with how LoK demanded us to see that Korra was totally goodright to leave the portals up and let all the spirits squat in human land.

>>1038248

Funny enough, we see enough evidence in TLA there's no segregation that does more favors for humans than spirits. Wan Shi Tong doesn't need to take his library through a portal to get it back to his home. Spirits who manifest in the human's world can still use their might while benders can't bend in the spirit's world. LoK invented some history of humans and spirits being long at odds despite the presence of friendly or at least neutral spirits.

>>1038579

He was a final boss for Aang rather than a single archenemy (that would Zuko and Azula if not the Fire Nation as a whole). And besides, he had enough background for his actions unlike Korra's villains.

>>1038579

> power-hungry tyrant

More realistic than people think

>>1038613

Ozai had plenty of personality to him considering his role in the story (like how Ozai refused to use a vacation quarter since it reminded him of his wife). And considering actual human behavior, especially among monarchs he's believable enough.

I haven't seen anybody who complained about Ozai's character who wasn't a Korra shill that thinks Zaheer ("muh chaos" even though for the majority of history chaos represented nothingness and destruction not some Great Leveling) or Kuvira (some horrid mixture of Hitler and Mao who's also a "dark Korra") are well-done characters with solid plans and causes.

>>1037961

>They just forced WST into the role since he was a notable spirit from TLA who was hostile towards humanity.

Yeah, they clearly didn't pay any attention to what Wan Shi Tong thought. The TLA version would have almost certainly hated someone trying to use spirits that way.

>It's ridiculous for Suyin to be the daughter of a legend like Toph, sister of Chief Beifong, a globetrotter, and founder of a famed city without any signs of her even being around before Book Change

For sure. I was just saying it makes sense from the production side why she was the way she was.

>>1038579

>a generic, evil, power-hungry tyrant.

That's how it usually is IRL, and like others said he's there to give Aang someone to fight and a dilemma to deal with. Azula and the Fire Nation are the real antagonists and Zuko/Katarra are the ones who beat Azula. Aang wololo'd Zuko to Blue Team which was necessary to beat Azula and to rule the Fire Nation after the war (in direct contrast to Zaheer and everyone else with the Earth Kingdom in Korra).

>>1037968

>>1037982

One of things that should have been shown in LoK flashbacks is that Toph would have made for a terrible (single) mother trying to raise a child in that time period. Toph character may have been on the side of "good" but she certainly didn't make for a good mother.

>Doesn't know any sex ed, since she can't read and braille doesn't appear to exist in the Avatar world

>Gets knocked up in possibly a one night stand, despite her being a human lie detector

>An adult Lin doesn't even know who her father is until Book 4, revealing how little contact Toph had with him after that

>Since Toph can't read, it possibly impairs her teaching her own child learning how to read

>Compensates by teaching her kid the only thing she does know well, Earthbending (and kid just happens to be an Earthbender and learns all of Toph's advanced skills)

>While she would have friends like Gaang or schools or nannies around to possibly help raise a young Lin it still sounds like didn't stop being police chief

>Just a few years after having Lin she then repeats this all over again and has another one night stand and gets knocked up again resulting in a child from another (absent) father, repeat the convenience of being able to teach Earthbending to her as well

>Despite somehow raising the first daughter to take the side of law, that second daughter takes up the criminal path so much that Toph has to send her to own parents that Toph ran away from as a child to raise her properly

While I know there are real life stats backing up single mothers as terrible parents, Bryke seems to have gone that down that path but just omitted that single parenting from being seen on screen to make adult Toph as a mother sound better.

>>1038734

>One of things that should have been shown in LoK flashbacks is that Toph would have made for a terrible (single) mother trying to raise a child in that time period.

Except she shouldn't have been a single mother. There was no grounds for this besides some desperate attempt to make Toph some strong women who doesn't need a man.

>Toph character may have been on the side of "good" but she certainly didn't make for a good mother.

Toph's character arc in TLA was learning that it's not shameful to depend on those you care for. And she certainly believed in taking responsibility for herself. Toph doesn't do either. She neglects her kids since "she wouldn't smother them." Dumps her criminal daughter on her mother instead of disciplining her herself.

>>Just a few years after having Lin she then repeats this all over again and has another one night stand and gets knocked up again resulting in a child from another (absent) father, repeat the convenience of being able to teach Earthbending to her as well

>another

That would be Sokka.

>>1038579

I always figured he was trying to latch onto Sozin's legacy and his eagerness for war was based on that it's all he knows.

For 100 years has the fire nation waged war on the rest of the world. Conquest is his life, his birthright. He doesn't see peace as a viable way to live, lead, or rule.

>>1011126

the word roku has several different meanings in Japanese (the fire nation is based on Japan so we might as well analyze it):

the number six

deer

satisfactory; decent; good; proper; worthy

stipend; reward

record; transcript

given his role as advisor and moral center to Aang, the 3rd definition is probably the intent

>>1038734

>While she would have friends like Gaang or schools or nannies around to possibly help raise a young Lin it still sounds like didn't stop being police chief

But doesn't that mean Lin was raised relatively well? I mean, it would of course have been preferable if she'd had some children to go along with her career, but Lin still did pretty well despite her mother's fuck-ups.

For that matter, both her daughters ended up doing pretty well.

>>1038748

>Except she shouldn't have been a single mother. There was no grounds for this besides some desperate attempt to make Toph some strong women who doesn't need a man.

This. She makes passes at Sokka and Zuko both. She's the youngest so it's not like she'd be as interested in boys at the time of the show but there's nothing to indicate she'd avoid relationships as an adult.

>>1038579

Azula has personal connection to Zuko and is a tangible obstacle in his character arc. Ozai has no personal connection to Aang and the only character-level obstacle he poses to Aang is challenging Aang's pacifism with how he obviously needs to be killed and Aang cheats his way out of that.

>>1039227

>So was this googly eyed bastard.

Not…really. Koh was just a man eating (or face taking in this case) trickster ala Baba Yaga. He wasn't said to hate humanity (and certainly took non-human faces), and when he goes after Kuruk's bride it's said he did so to punish him for his arrogance and not respecting his duty as Avatar.

The aye-aye spirit and other spirits in Korra Book Spirits were an attempt to ape Miyazaki (hence them calling humans meanies for killing the trees). They're shown as hostile to humanity with Wan distancing himself from other humans (making him special). The only other humans not at odds with spirits in Wan's time were the Proto-Air Nomads (the Noble Shangri-la Savage).

>The only major difference between Koh and most of the spirits in Korra is that Bryke had a hard-on for the illegal immigrant spirits who turned the earth into a deathworld.

Part of it is aping Miyazaki. Part of it is shilling pro-integration/anti-segregation.

>>1039228

Aang beating Ozai without the Fire Lord's death undermines his talks with his past lives (where he learned he can't put his Air Nomad Teachings above his duty to the world).

>>1039230

Also, I'll say that Koh going through the trouble of stealing a face from an Avatar's bride as punishment for that Avatar failing to serve his duty is an angle that needed more attention. It should show that since the Avatar is man and spirit, spirits have overseen him/her. A spirit like Koh actively policing Kuruk. Compare with Korra where the show was stuck at the extremes of "the Avatar is only a secular vigilante who's spiritual role is not there or doesn't matter" and "SPIRITS", while the comics had a spirit say they (bunch of spirits) had to accept Korra's degree to keep portals open (nobody is allowed to oppose Korra without being badwrong).

>>1037928

>>1037935

>>1037943

Zutara was a thing since Zuko is more appealing to female audience than Aang is. That and the showmakers really did toss around having ZukoXKatara happen (key: toss around).

>>1039610

Avatar the Brand should have just ended with Zuko asking Ozai about his mother. There were no villains left to fight, no mysteries to solve, no real loose ends left (Zuko's mother's status didn't really matter that much to his arc). At most, have Ozai just say where she is and leave it at that.

The movie, the comics, and LoK are all attempts to wrangle more from a done tale. Most of LoK's villains aren't really rooted in the geopolitical situation by TLA's end (Amon with his out of place Normie Supremacy Movement, Unalaq trying to summon Satan, Zaheer going muh chaos) with only Kuvira being remotely close to an extension (and she's still a sloppy character).

>>1039644

>Avatar the Brand should have just ended with Zuko asking Ozai about his mother. There were no villains left to fight, no mysteries to solve, no real loose ends left (Zuko's mother's status didn't really matter that much to his arc). At most, have Ozai just say where she is and leave it at that.

Leaving things up to the imagination is a lost art.

>The movie, the comics, and LoK are all attempts to wrangle more from a done tale. Most of LoK's villains aren't really rooted in the geopolitical situation by TLA's end (Amon with his out of place Normie Supremacy Movement, Unalaq trying to summon Satan, Zaheer going muh chaos) with only Kuvira being remotely close to an extension (and she's still a sloppy character).

None of the villains had any good motivation. There was no evidence for non-benders being discriminated against, neither off- nor onscreen. There was no good reason to free Avatar-Satan. The whole "muh chaos" villains were a bunch of edgy teenagers stuck in adult bodies with superpowers.

Kuvira was the only villain whose motivation was somewhat grounded in reality. She wanted to re-unite an empire that had broken into squabbling territories after the ruler's death, so it made sense to try and restore the empire to its former glory. Then they fucked it up by making her literally Hitler and giving her absurd superweapons.

>>1039667

>absurd superweapons

>plural

refresh my memory, there was the giant mech and what else? also, unrelated but, while kora is a terrible, terrible character, I think the voice actor was decent enough

>>1039695

>what else?

The fucking spirit laser and spirit nuke, how could you forget that shit?

Bryke have no functioning filter, eh we like robots just throw them in, giant spirit power ranger fights? Yeah great, throw it on the pile.

>>1039722

Now they just need spirit zombies.

>>1038780

>But doesn't that mean Lin was raised relatively well?

You can be raised poorly as a child and then catch up and have a good life after that

>I mean, it would of course have been preferable if she'd had some children to go along with her career

I'm had the thought for a while that Lin not wanting to have kids (because of having a bad childhood) is the reason why she broke up with Tenzin.

>I'm the last airbender, we need to have kids or airbending will die out

<No, I'm not going to serve as your airbending baby maker because I don't want to raise kids while being a police chief as my mother already went down that path and it wasn't pleasant for any of us

>Looks like time for us to move on then

yeah, that conversation dialogue is terrible but I was trying to keep it short

But since Avatar is a kids show they can't mention any idea of mass breeding up more airbenders to prevent them from going extinct.

>>1039821

There was no need to do the spirit portals granting bending if they needed more airbenders. Had they put more thought into the setting then all that would be needed would be:

>Air Nomads by blood who reject the lifestyle assimilating into non-bending communities. They go into hiding when the Fire Nation's on the rampage.

>Aang recruiting bender orphans and giveaways into his club

>A larger timeframe between TLA and LoK.

Really, were there no rejects among the Air Nomads? No malcontents? And in TLA it was established that bending wasn't just a matter of blood but spirituality as well. Nothing says children with the ability to bend but no set tradition couldn't be recruited.

>>1039854

One of the bizarre quirks of the Air Nomads high spirituality is that they have no non benders, every Air Nomad is an air bender. Which just brings up more questions.

Did the Air Nomads only breed with other Air Nomads to ensure this? (and making them unintentional a pure blood/pure spiritual group)

Would Aang and Katara's relationship be seen as taboo since she is not an Air Nomad?

>>1039871

Bryke brought your questions on themselves the moment they figured it was a good a idea to change bending from a martial art with deep spiritual significance to mutant powers with just about no honest spiritual significance. It's easy to see that a monastic order would be the one Benderland while somewhere like the Earth Kingdom would far less benders for their population since they're way more urbanized and worldly so what spiritual practices they would would have would reflect that.

>>1039894

How would airbenders manage to fund their monastic lifestyles though? How would you develop the engineering necessary to build those temples?

In Europe the peasantry paid the parish like they paid taxes to the crown, but I've no idea how the oriental monk economically worked.

>>1039913

I would assume that the monks were not nomads but settled in the temples permanently where they would be able to learn a trade. Meanwhile to nomad population would also be travelers and be able to trade and bring in construction materials for the temples.

But yes, the air nomads are a retarded concept. It's trying to fuse two cultures that have nothing in common into one. Splitting them up into monks and nomads is the only way I can see it make sense.

>>1039913

>>1039988

Bryke REALLY buy into the Shangri-la/Noble Oriental Savage narrative that gets applied to Buddhism. The Air Nomads were just magically wonderful vegetarians (which is silly consdering Tibetan Buddhists do eat meat) with no relevant flaws (even Aang's reusing to kill doesn't ever really backfire on him and he finds a way to beat Ozai with it) and according to LOK Comic accept the Gays.

I even saw a tumblr post by a Tibetan complain about how Avatar depicted Air Nomads. Complaining they were indeed just Noble Savage/Wonderful Oriental stereotype.

>>1040025

Here's the post:

http://araeph.tumblr.com/post/143560335135/zephyrita-radiolarite-zephyrita-as-an

>My main problem with the “Air Nomad culture” presented in Avatar is how offensive it is in itself. It’s basically the theme park version of Tibet you tend to see in Western media. It’s a peaceful Shangri-La where everyone is a monk and wears orange and practices pacifism to a ridiculous degree (they’re all vegetarian too which is actually pretty stupid considering Tibet’s environment). This clearly disregards the diversity and culture of Tibet by reducing it to a racist cliche. Criticizing Aang for his “beliefs” is not racist because cultural practices are not above scrutiny and you can disagree with aspects that you think are detrimental (For example, I am against Chinese foot-binding but I am not Chinese).

Another post on more of an overall writing problem:

http://araeph.tumblr.com/post/159122775345/do-you-see-any-evidence-in-the-show-or-real-life

>Ironically, while it might be easy to say that every other nation got the shaft, I would argue the opposite: it was the Air Nomads’ portrayal that suffered in comparison. Because the Air Nomad ideals were never put through the clear-eyed deconstruction that the other three nations’ value systems underwent, the Air Nomads received the least information, nuance, and development in all the Four Nations. This is why idealizing a fictional culture (nevermind a real one) actually does it a disservice. So when I say they deserve valid criticism, I don’t mean that I hate the Air Nomad value system; I mean they were deprived of a benefit that the other nations received, and which would have rounded out the Air Nomads better (and perhaps even Aang himself).

>>1040088

>This clearly disregards the diversity and culture of Tibet by reducing it to a racist cliche.

>simplistic, positive portrayal of a culture is racist.

One day I will no longer find myself curious at this great capacity to be offended, and I thought I was there, but apparently not.

>>1040124

Eh, I do say they have a point insofar that the Air Nomads have overall been shown as less relevantly flawed than other 3. You might be aware of this but Lefties did have an affection for Buddhism as a non-judging, open, creed in contrast to the meany Christians. Hence Free Tibet (this might have changed recently going by Anti-Buddhist articles written by Progressives).

>>1040128

Marxists are generally the first ones to brown nose foreign religions, regardless of what they are. They're willing to push Islam as a "religion of peace", even though it's almost the opposite of Buddhism. Historically speaking, Buddhism and other eastern philosophies have been pushed in the west due to their emphasis on people being the cause of the world’s problems. I’m painting in broad strokes here, but eastern philosophies generally portray the world as being inherently “functional”, and say that things only start going wrong when people start rocking the boat and try to do things their own way. Hence the emphasis on being “one with everything”; if you have problems, the solution is to conform to the wider world, not try to fix it. If you’re a statist and you’re trying to push an “everything is fine” narrative, it would be very beneficial to push this sort of thinking onto the people. When the people think that the best way to solve real-world problems is to sit at home and meditate, they’re less likely to go out and organize politically and actually do something about their problems.

>>1040155

>Buddhism and other eastern philosophies have been pushed in the west due to their emphasis on people being the cause of the world’s problems.

You say that, and yet they do not traditionally have a notion of man having Original Sin. No need for a redeemer (Buddha is not seen as redeeming mankind, rather he's there to teach).

>I’m painting in broad strokes here, but eastern philosophies generally portray the world as being inherently “functional”, and say that things only start going wrong when people start rocking the boat and try to do things their own way. Hence the emphasis on being “one with everything”; if you have problems, the solution is to conform to the wider world, not try to fix it. If you’re a statist and you’re trying to push an “everything is fine” narrative, it would be very beneficial to push this sort of thinking onto the people. When the people think that the best way to solve real-world problems is to sit at home and meditate, they’re less likely to go out and organize politically and actually do something about their problems.

Oriental societies not influenced by Manicheanism see the world as cyclic or degenerating. They say that either this will happen again or all will be turned to chaos (nothingness). So you should keep things in perspective.

>>1040159

>they do not traditionally have a notion of man having Original Sin

True, but the whole point of Buddhism is that mankind’s suffering is the result of us wanting things to be what they aren’t, which is commonly simplified as “desire”. Human beings are still the cause of their own suffering, but they also have the ability to escape suffering by abandoning desire.

>Oriental societies not influenced by Manicheanism see the world as cyclic or degenerating

Yes, Buddhism and other philosophies believe in the cycle shit, but that’s not the main point. The end goal of Buddhism is not to “fix” the world by somehow stopping the universe from cycling, it’s to let people escape it. Fixing humanity is the main concern, not fixing the world. This makes these traditions much different than things like Christianity, the end goal of which is God wiping evil from the world and establishing a perfect kingdom for all the good people to live in. Christianity does support people overcoming their own faults, of course, but not for the purpose of “fixing” the world.

>>1040251

The world is malleable, attaching oneself too much to physical items is practically idol worship.

>>1040251

>True, but the whole point of Buddhism is that mankind’s suffering is the result of us wanting things to be what they aren’t, which is commonly simplified as “desire”. Human beings are still the cause of their own suffering, but they also have the ability to escape suffering by abandoning desire.

Buddhists and other Oriental believers don't see humans as "defective." That's more of a Western thing, as reflected in Leftist misanthropy.

>Yes, Buddhism and other philosophies believe in the cycle shit, but that’s not the main point. The end goal of Buddhism is not to “fix” the world by somehow stopping the universe from cycling, it’s to let people escape it.

Well, Shintoism isn't about "escaping the world." It too doesn't say humans are defects.

>Fixing humanity is the main concern, not fixing the world. This makes these traditions much different than things like Christianity, the end goal of which is God wiping evil from the world and establishing a perfect kingdom for all the good people to live in. Christianity does support people overcoming their own faults, of course, but not for the purpose of “fixing” the world.

Like I said, the Buddha is there to teach. Not to redeem. All life (not just humans) needs to learn his teachings (no matter how many lives) to achieve Nirvana.

>>1040357

How Buddhism is seen depends heavily from area to area, with each version heavily depending on how Buddhism got established in the area. It's highly syncretic and there's not really a singular "Buddhism", but more like dozens of religions calling themselves Buddhism. Some areas don't have the concept of reincarnation in any meaningful form, whereas for others reincarnation is basically eternal suffering, and the point of Buddhism is essentially committing spiritual suicide before you reincarnate into an even worse fate, because karma is out to get you and as a human this is the best chance your gonna get to escape from real life hell.

It's like saying a protestant and a catholic have the same religion. It's obviously not true.

>>1040402

>catholic have the same religion. It's obviously not true.

They do, its the leadership that's different.

>>1040402

>It's like saying a protestant and a catholic have the same religion. It's obviously not true.

>the salty Protestant

>>1040357

>Buddhists and other Oriental believers don't see humans as "defective."

I never said they did.

>Well, Shintoism isn't about "escaping the world."

Shinto is only one step above animism; it’s not a moral philosophy in the same sense as Buddhism is. Buddhism and Shinto overlap so much in Japan because they’re not mutually exclusive belief systems.

>Like I said, the Buddha is there to teach. Not to redeem.

I never said otherwise. Buddhism says that personal effort is the only way to end suffering (unless you want to bring Bodhisattvas into the equation, which blurs the lines a bit).

Since this thread now more or less is an Avatar General, I'll say that I wish there was more attention placed on how notable spirits handle the Avatar's duty. Escape from the Spirit Realm says Koh stole Kuruk's fiance's face to punish him for failing his duty as Avatar. LoK had an arc about spirits and how they interact with humans yet we didn't really see how spirits treated with Korra as someone in part a spiritual entity who should have significance in the spirit's world. Indeed, Korra's role didn't really have the significance there you expect it to have (being more of a vigilante than a properly sacred figure).

bump

>>1040680

If they ever touch this franchise again I want everything korra retconned, korra spirits are huge unrepentant assholes. They're invaders from another dimension who killed and tortured humans because we eat meat and don't treat nature like they want us to (even though it's OUR nature and they can fuck off back to their dimension).

But the height of their bullshit is when they get all smug after shitting up human cities with their spirit bullshit and leave because humanity is too evil and we war too much and now we have spirit nukes.

Obviously we need avatar:doom where we invade the spirit world and wreck spirit cunt ass with spirit nukes and spirit lasers, then avatar can truly die.

>>1037813

<absolutely disgusting

>He says posting some sort of animal human hybrid freak

This thread just reminded me we can't have good things anymore. Quality is too triggering in current year.

>>1040088

That doesn't really fly though, since all we see of Air Nomads directly are Aang himself and spending a bit of time at a couple temples in flashbacks. It's not clear that this is a comprehensive view of the Air nation, especially when you could take a similar amount of footage from the other 3 and draw the same kind of conclusions. Aang being specifically a monk suggests that he more or less only saw that side of his society.

And while the Air Nomads don't get a careful deconstruction, they are criticized by the premise of the show, in that their pacifism made wiping them out possible in a span of minutes. And who's going to criticize a culture that was almost completely wiped out? Aang sure won't, and he's basically the only person with knowledge of them. If all you have to go by are the memories of an 11 year old (even a prodigy), you are not going to get a very nuanced or thorough view of a society. A lot of the bullshit iirc came up in the comics and Korra, with characters referencing Air Nomad historical documents.

>>1057397

I don't think they'd be too afraid to kill him off. They've let characters die off all the time. Just don't show their bodies. They couldn't have him killed off because it'd go against Aang's character to kill anyone. Even his worst enemy.

>>1057374

Korra and the comics don't present the Air Nomads as anything flawed or needing updating.

>>1057408

Except the point of Aang's talk with past Avatars was to teach him that he is not just an Air Nomad, that he should not put his teachings so far above above not just other teachings, but his duty. Also, Aang's surrogate killed Fire Nation troops.

>>1049754

The treatment of spirits was a mixture of the following:

A. Leftoid "Misanthropy."

B. Noble Savage.

C. Anti-Segregation/Pro-Immigration.

Spirits having their nature changed from being the Avatar World's version of kami to more or less inter-dimensional invaders who also suffer from "racism" at the hands of mean humans except for the token Air Nomad Prototype goes in line with this.

>>1057697

That makes me wonder, what purpose did Aang's talk even serve? I mean, the avatars all implied he had to kill Ozai, but then he ignored them and defeated him like he initially was going to anyway. It would have been great character development if it actually affected Aang's actions after, but it didn't seem to make a difference.

>>1058300

It makes me wonder if there were multiple endings planned, and elements of each were used in the final product. Alternatively, Mako (Iroh's voice actor) passing away during the show's runtime might have forced them to re-write parts of the final season which could have affected the ending.

>>1058392

They just aped Princess Mononoke without any of its context (namely that the spirits were indigenous to the forest). In the movie, humans were intruding on the forest and could significantly threaten spirits without magic. In Korra, spirits are invaders and humans have just about no means to threaten them significantly without bending.

It's part of the wider trend where Bryke effectively show they're fine with conquest as long as it's not "racist." It's obvious enough that the spirits are meant to be some ridiculous analog of immigrants for a desegregation propaganda show.

>>1010785

I think if they did a 1-2 hour special searching for Zuko's mother it could have been alright. Granted, it would have had to been within a short time of the series' ending to ensure they had most or all of the staff and were still in the Avatar mindset.

Now is too late for anything. Everyone's on different projects and all of them range from mediocre (Aaron Ehasz's Dragon Prince) to garbage (Korra). For some reason they worked well together making Avatar, but without each other they can't make anything decent.

Every attempt at doing something with Avatar just makes me wish it ended with the finale and was never touched again. The Netflix adaptation looks so terrible it might actually make the M. Night Shyamalan movie look good by comparison.

>>1058554

Would the writing for the quest for Zuko's mom be good? If the comic is anything to go by it spirals downhill once they find her.

>>1058554

Things like chi blocking and energybending could for sure be fleshed more out in a special about Zuko's mommy. If I were a writer I would have tied in Koh the facestealer somehow, just for the hype and the fact that an emperor-slayer fugitive might have ended up needing help from unusual sources. Surely untapped potential there, but honestly we might have dodged a whole other bullet there.

Korra and the Dragon Prince really makes Avatar look like an once in a decade fluke, that happened because the creators and writers cancelled each others retarded ideas out, combined with decent animation. Basically a case of the "collective is bigger than the sum of individuals".

The closest comparison I can think of in this decade is One Punch Man's animation quality, People imagined that this would be the standard now from big nip studios. But it turned out that the nips behind OPM used up all their favors and connections to make it happen just this once… on a meme show lel. OPM season 2 looks like a turd in comparison.

>>1059075

I needs to be pointed out how worse TLA Book 3 was. It in many ways was a foreshadowing of how Korra turned out (obnoxious main character who gets handouts namely).

>>1058300

>>1057697

The reason Aang ignored the other Avatars is that he's not only the Avatar but also the last Air Nomad. He wanted advice on fulfilling both his duties but he found that the previous Avatars couldn't relate to his predicament since there had never been a near-total genocide before. He was never trying to choose between being Avatar and Air Nomad. He wanted to find a way to stay true to both. The energybending thing could have been handled better, but I vastly prefer when a character takes a third option instead of just accepting they have to choose between two bad ones. It makes the character more proactive than reactive, which is pretty rare especially in children's media. "Just accept the situation and do what you're told you're supposed to lmao" is a shitty lesson for kids. It's usually better to come up with a new solution that solves more of the problem(s) instead of picking a default option. Aang rejected the binary choice, but unfortunately they didn't go to the logical conclusion and have him come up with his own answer, instead having a new one handed to him.

>>1059240

You know that's the first time I've heard someone explaining this. You're right it would have been better if he came up with his own 3rd choice but yeah those are some interesting points you bring up.

>>1059320

I mean it's a defensible plot point and character choice, but the fact that this didn't really land in the show itself is a pretty huge problem.

>>1059240

>defending bad writing

Aang had already killed before. Even ignoring his antics as Ocean Spirit.

>>1059557

Thanks for that little story anon.

>>1059588

Some wasp-vulture hardly counts. Any humans?

>>1059647

>We weren't shown Aang destroying any Fire Nation tanks or otherwise using what should be lethal force on Fire Nation troops

Aang should have killed enough FN forces. Them being nameless doesn't' make them less dead.

>>1059648

So, like those guys he blew down from the ladder when escaping the Yu-Yan fortress/prison?

I think if those were supposed to die, some of the main characters should have died too.

>>1059648

There's a difference between killing someone intentionally with forethought and someone dying inadvertently because they fell when you defended yourself against their attacks.

>>1059650

>So, like those guys he blew down from the ladder when escaping the Yu-Yan fortress/prison?

I am sure they had hidden parachutes and safely landed, or safely fell in haystacks.

>>1059690

Still killing.

>>1059650

I'm talking knocking tanks off cliffs. It's not believable Aang never took a life just as himself.

>>1059699

Whatever you say Bryke.

>>1059731

Actual IRL soldiers have a much easier time killing people if they can't actually see them. Aang may have been hypocritical about killing, sure. How does that make it bad when he tries to live up to his code? What's the logic here, that if you ever personally fail then suddenly the moral code is worthless and should be abandoned?

>>1059770

>pretending Ozai isn't a threat

>pretending chibending is good writing

Aang had another airbender tell him that Ozai had to be dead.

>>1059770

>that if you ever personally fail then suddenly the moral code is worthless

It was a pretty pointless moral code in this instance, either way. What did sparring Ozai's life accomplish, morally?

>>1059773

Thread reminder that they never actually formally ended the Fire Nation as an empire. They would still have plenty of troops still alive and nothing says Ozai was an unpopular ruler. Leaving him alive would make him able to serve as a rallying point for anyone unhappy with Zuko's policies that weren't maintaining the empire's role as undisputed master.

>>1059831

> Leaving him alive would make him able to serve as a rallying point for anyone unhappy with Zuko's policies that weren't maintaining the empire's role as undisputed master.

Isn't that what happened in the comics.

>>1059772

I'm not saying it's good writing. It isn't. I'm saying this is a bad criticism of bad writing. It's bad for being contrived, not for Aang being hypocritical.

>Aang had another airbender tell him that Ozai had to be dead.

Avatar YangChen was pointedly not very concerned with Air Nomad culture, which is why Aang disregarded her advice.

>>1059772

>What did sparring Ozai's life accomplish, morally?

Morally is only indirectly the point. Pragmatically, Aang needed to preserve and rebuild Air Nomad culture so that the Avatar cycle could continue. If he neglected to follow his culture's values (especially with something as visible and historically well-documented as ending the war), he would be sabotaging the Avatar cycle and ultimately the Fire Nation would have succeeded in their goal to end the cycle. This isn't explicitly discussed but it follows directly from the logic laid out in the show.

Again, the fact that this isn't crystal clear is bad writing.

>>1059891

>Avatar YangChen was pointedly not very concerned with Air Nomad culture, which is why Aang disregarded her advice.

Tell us more on how the Avatar only belongs to one land.

>Morally is only indirectly the point. Pragmatically, Aang needed to preserve and rebuild Air Nomad culture so that the Avatar cycle could continue. If he neglected to follow his culture's values (especially with something as visible and historically well-documented as ending the war), he would be sabotaging the Avatar cycle and ultimately the Fire Nation would have succeeded in their goal to end the cycle.

If Gyatso can kill then so can Aang.

Is this the thread where we can pretend garbage like Korra never existed?

>>1059891

>Again, the fact that this isn't crystal clear is bad writing.

That, or this is a case of a viewer writing the show for the writers. Well, same thing I guess. So yes.

>>1059914

>Tell us more on how the Avatar only belongs to one land.

Only one land got a genocide. So it gets special priority.

>If Gyatso can kill then so can Aang.

Anyone can break with their culture.

t. not that guy.

>>1059936

>Is this the thread where we can pretend garbage like Korra never existed?

I won't stop you.

>>1060028

>Only one land got a genocide. So it gets special priority.

The Avatar is not of one land. And the Air Nomads in TLA weren't just a kind but a religio. Aang can train his monks differently in light of the new era.

>Anyone can break with their culture.

>break

You act like there's nothing wrong with some rewriting.

>>1060036

>Aang can train his monks differently in light of the new era.

For what purpose? Avoiding another genocide seems a good idea, so as far as making a statement against pacifism - particularly such strong pacifism - I suppose it makes sense in the context of relatively recent history.

But that has nothing to do with any "new era".

>You act like there's nothing wrong with some rewriting.

What are you talking about? I was just saying that Monk Gyatso, and anyone else who so felt like, could choose to go against their culture. Particularly likely under extreme circumstances, such as an on-going genocide by fire taking place right in front of you.

>And the Air Nomads in TLA weren't just a kind but a religion.

They weren't a religion at all. They were a distinct ethnicity, culture and bending tradition.

They were a religion like Jedi is a religion in the Star Wars universe - by which I mean not: Both are organized groups with tenets of behavior rooted in mysticism, such as striving for enlightenment and letting go of earthly attachments. But they do not worship the Force/spirits, they don't worship or follow precepts laid down by these entities, they merely acknowledge and attempt to live in harmony with them.

>>1060060

>the context of relatively recent history.

*… to kill Ozai.

>>1060036

Genocide doesn't just wipe out the people though. It wipes out the culture as well. Aang wanted to preserve his culture out of duty and not wanting them to disappear from history, and also because the Air Nomads' existence was a part of the setting's cosmology.

>>1060060

Pacifism is dumb and is prone to making a society easy prey, but this is a fantasy setting where the balance of the world depends on a certain amount of status quo. You could say Aang should have reformed his culture but it makes sense he'd be more concerned with preserving a central element of its ideology in the face of his culture's extinction.

>>1060060

>For what purpose? Avoiding another genocide seems a good idea, so as far as making a statement against pacifism - particularly such strong pacifism - I suppose it makes sense in the context of relatively recent history.

Aang is the last active practitioner (I won't call him The Last Airbender since that's rather unbelievable).

>But that has nothing to do with any "new era".

The world would be way different even if FN gets defeated.

>What are you talking about? I was just saying that Monk Gyatso, and anyone else who so felt like, could choose to go against their culture. Particularly likely under extreme circumstances, such as an on-going genocide by fire taking place right in front of you.

You frame it as "going against culture" despite Aang being the most qualified living being to speak on what it is. If he permits executions then who can tell him he can't?

>They weren't a religion at all. They were a distinct ethnicity, culture and bending tradition.

They're fantasy Tibetans. And before Legend of Korra retcons them bending ability had a large connection with spiritual practice (hence Katara being able to see Ms. Painted Lady while Sokka couldn't). Hence, benders from other lands could surely be raised to be airbenders.

>They were a religion like Jedi is a religion in the Star Wars universe - by which I mean not: Both are organized groups with tenets of behavior rooted in mysticism, such as striving for enlightenment and letting go of earthly attachments. But they do not worship the Force/spirits, they don't worship or follow precepts laid down by these entities, they merely acknowledge and attempt to live in harmony with them.

>He thinks religion is all about worship

>>1060074

>Pacifism is dumb and is prone to making a society easy prey, but this is a fantasy setting where the balance of the world depends on a certain amount of status quo. You could say Aang should have reformed his culture but it makes sense he'd be more concerned with preserving a central element of its ideology in the face of his culture's extinction.

>He should invite the Fire Nation to disorder.

>>1060028

>That, or this is a case of a viewer writing the show for the writers. Well, same thing I guess. So yes.

The whole point of wiping out the Air Nomads was to stop the Avatar cycle. The Avatar cycle being preserved because they weren't wiped out is central to the premise of the show. The Air Nomads being necessary to the Avatar just happens to not be discussed in the context of Aang wanting to keep his culture alive as its sole representative. It's actually pretty weird that none of the advisors think of it and that Aang doesn't bring it up explicitly that the Avatar needs all four nations, so he needs to ensure the existence of the Air Nomads as part of his duty as Avatar. Maybe the writers just weren't thinking along these lines, but it's right there in the show.

It's also odd that the show didn't make a bigger point of it that Aang had advanced in wisdom as part of his character arc and surpassed the advice his predecessors could provide. That should have been hugely significant but again it seems like the writers didn't think about it that much.

>>1060136

>Aang is the last active practitioner

I know. So what? Haven't we been over and addressed this point before?

>The world would be way different even if FN gets defeated.

Yes, but that's not necessarily a reason to change the pacifistic nature of the Air Nomad culture, is my point.

>You frame it as "going against culture" despite Aang being the most qualified living being to speak on what it is. If he permits executions then who can tell him he can't?

Not sure I entirely agree about Aang cultural's authority, but regardless, what was the re-writing you talked about? Revision of Air Nomad culture?

>bending ability had a large connection with spiritual practice

Toph and Azula didn't seem very spiritual.

>Hence, benders from other lands could surely be raised to be airbenders.

And there's nothing to suggest a tribesman could learn to bend fire. Nothing like that's ever been shown to happen outside of the Avatar.

>>He thinks religion is all about worship

Yes. Folklore and superstition hardly constitute religion, nor would they if fairies were real, it would just be advice against accepting anything a fairy offers. Same with avatar spiritualism; "don't burn the forests or it will anger the spirits".

>>1060141

Yeah, now that you mention it.

>>1060199

>is my point.

* whereas the past genocide is a very good reason to maybe shed the pacifism.

>>1060199

>I know. So what? Haven't we been over and addressed this point before?

He lives in a new world. A world that from all evidence is forever changed. One could forgive him for adding a couple new rules on executions.

>Yes, but that's not necessarily a reason to change the pacifistic nature of the Air Nomad culture, is my point.

We already know that Aang's surrogate killed to defend himself and surely his kind. Did he reject his heritage?

>Not sure I entirely agree about Aang cultural's authority, but regardless, what was the re-writing you talked about? Revision of Air Nomad culture?

I guess.

>Toph and Azula didn't seem very spiritual.

We are told in an interview way back in the 2000s that the Air Nomads having so many benders was from how spiritual they were.

>And there's nothing to suggest a tribesman could learn to bend fire. Nothing like that's ever been shown to happen outside of the Avatar.

The Avatar had a backstory of being the spirit of the world itself with a human body. Hence being able to bend more than one element since it is of the 4 lands yet at the same time not of the four lands.

I wasn't speaking of bending with more than one. But taking from other lands to refill the airbender population. We already have an example of identical twins with only one of them being a bender (suggesting it's not just a matter of blood).

>Yes. Folklore and superstition hardly constitute religion, nor would they if fairies were real, it would just be advice against accepting anything a fairy offers. Same with avatar spiritualism; "don't burn the forests or it will anger the spirits".

"folkore and superstition" in the Abrahamic world by large is remnants of pre-Christian/Islam theology. And Japanese belief certainly incorporated the threat of kami alongside the Buddha.

I don't completely hate LoK because it fixes my biggest pet peeve: a static setting. I get that there is no western influence to explain the aesthetic but they just wanted the old Shanghai look. Too bad the show was dogshit. They shouldn't have to make a new badguy every season.

Also, I didn't mind the energy bending ending in AtLA.

>>1060211

>I don't completely hate LoK because it fixes my biggest pet peeve: a static setting.

Korra actually made this even worse because now it's contradictory. In the 70 years since TLA society has seen a big leap forward into the industrial age, BUT that's after 10,000 years of almost complete stasis given the flashbacks to the first avatar. What changed exactly? The Fire Nation had a tech boost from the war but how does a society barely progress for 10,000 years and then in 100 years go from feudalism to tanks and zeppelins, then in 70 more years you have mechs?

>>1060212

>Right, I remember something along those lines.

>And yet some of the most powerful benders don't appear to be very spiritual. I think it's safe to say the writers weren't entirely consistent on this matter or very clear on what being "spiritual" meant.

Korra addresses that, and it's pretty strongly implied in the Last Airbender. Strength in an element is tied to your personality and emotional state, and air specifically is related to spirituality. Toph is a good earthbender because she's strong-willed and stubborn. Zuko is a good firebender because he's passionate. Katara is a good waterbender because she's empathetic and strongly bonded to others. Aang is a good airbender because he's attuned to nature and spirits. Aang takes well to waterbending because he has the appropriate traits. He takes to firebending less well because he's fairly passive, and he sucks at earthbending because he's flighting and prefers avoiding or deflecting conflict to facing it head on. Most of this is explicitly discussed in TLA.

>>1018340

Bryke is infinitely worse than Lucas simply for ruining his potential franchise under a shorter timeframe.

>>1060218

Korra made a lot of things worse, even the Spirit World. And using spirits as a metaphor for immigrants was just cringe inducing.

>>1060212

>Yes, but what about that new world suggests dropping pacifism?

Removing a hegemon always leads to more war. Even if Zuko agreed to relinquish FN territory.

>If part of his heritage was pacifism, then he rejected part of it, logically

So you say.

>I guess.

>Okay, so, to backtrack whatever the hell we were talking about… yes, anyone in Aang position would have a large influence on air nomad culture going forward. Clearly, we agree on this. What the hell was this whole line of dialogue - rhetorical question, let's leave it here.

Who can say he shouldn't teach his monks how to do executions?

>And yet some of the most powerful benders don't appear to be very spiritual. I think it's safe to say the writers weren't entirely consistent on this matter or very clear on what being "spiritual" meant. Either way, for practical intents and purposes and excepting possible but never mentioned exceptions, Air Bending characterized a distinct group of people we know as Air Nomads, just like instances of the ability to Earth Bend characterized the people of the Earth Kingdom.

Bending was a set of martial art discliplines that were connected to either beasts or the heavens. Not mutant powers.

>Again, nothing in Avatar suggests you can become a bender if you weren't born with the talent, nor that your bending could be of an element not related to your ethnicity. There are no exceptions to this pattern seen in the series, so it seems very unlikely and unfounded.

Again, bending in TLA we were told rooted in ancient beasts or the moon teaching the first practicioners. Not some mutant powers. There was a notable nuture element to it.

Recuriting from other lands (giveaways, orphans) would be needed to make sure the new airbenders would have a reliable population that avoids inbreeding. Unless it turns out there are indeed more men with airbending capability than Aang.

>Regarding the twins, all that they prove is that blood relations with a bender doesn't guarantee bending. We already knew that from Sokka and Katara. But the Fire Nation royal family are all benders, suggesting familial relation can have some influence. Unless that's just because of the royal title somehow, but that's unlikely to be the case with Haru and his father.

Blood may matter, but it's not just blood.

>1. Why do you consider the Air Nomads to constitute a religion,

They're Tibetans but with wind.

>2. and in what way are they a religion?

Ask Tibetans.

>>1060211

You may change a setting without turning it into an Oriental version of the 20th Century West.

>They shouldn't have to make a new badguy every season.

Aang fought Ozai in the end, so the showrunners for Korra had her fight about 4 Ozai Level threats. Especially since all of them had snowflake bending (Amon's bloodbending, Unalaq's spiritbending, Zaheer's special airbending, Kuvira's giant robot).

>>1060218

The cars were among the more acceptable inclusions. What was notably worse was the radio, so many advancements coming from one or two companies, the overuse of subdisciplines like metalbending, having an analogue of the League of Nations/United Nations among other overly Western insertions…

>>1060261

>Removing a hegemon always leads to more war. Even if Zuko agreed to relinquish FN territory.

None of that was in the show. Now you're just talking pure fanon.

>So you say.

What? Gyatso was surrounded by the bodies of his fallen enemies. It's not just something I say, it's clearly indicated in the show the he killed a whole bunch of Fire nation soldiers. What the hell are you on about?

>Who can say he shouldn't teach his monks how to do executions?

Anyone with a sense of scale. You don't need more than a couple of executioners per 1000 citizens even in the most lawless society. And since there's no more than "air nomads" than him, his children and maybe grandchildren during his lifetime, professional Air Nomad executioners are completely redundant.

>Bending was a set of martial art discliplines that were connected to either beasts or the heavens. Not mutant powers.

Not all bending is for martial purposes, and regardless of where the bending disciplines originated, the only people to have bending powers of a particular element were still of the corresponding element country. No exceptions bar the Avatar.

>There was a notable nurture element to it.

This does not preclude a nature element. There's a nurture element to reading and writing, but a dog can't be trained to write a book.

>Blood may matter, but it's not just blood.

I can agree on that.

>They're Tibetans but with wind.

Just because they are based on Tibetans does not mean they are exactly like Tibetans with that one exception.

>Ask Tibetans.

No, I'm asking you.

>>1060249

Yeah, I mean…evil spirits is a thing and now they're crossing over to the Physical world..

Do you faggots need to do this on every Avatar thread?

>>1060268

>None of that was in the show. Now you're just talking pure fanon.

Actual history backs me. And the show proper (not comics or Korra with their retcons) never told what the geopolitical situation is post-Ozai say 4 decades from the end.

>What? Gyatso was surrounded by the bodies of his fallen enemies. It's not just something I say, it's clearly indicated in the show the he killed a whole bunch of Fire nation soldiers. What the hell are you on about?

You're the one saying he "rejected" his heritage like he was went over it then decided to ignore it.

>Anyone with a sense of scale. You don't need more than a couple of executioners per 1000 citizens even in the most lawless society. And since there's no more than "air nomads" than him, his children and maybe grandchildren during his lifetime, professional Air Nomad executioners are completely redundant.

Ozai needs to die or he'll proceed to destabilize the Fire Nation. That's a situation for execution.

>Not all bending is for martial purposes, and regardless of where the bending disciplines originated, the only people to have bending powers of a particular element were still of the corresponding element country. No exceptions bar the Avatar.

You already have the Foggy Swamp's waterbenders who while coming from one of the poles more or less invented a new branch of waterbending in their new environment. Not to mention the sandbending raiders.

>This does not preclude a nature element. There's a nurture element to reading and writing, but a dog can't be trained to write a book.

You're still acting like bending is some mutant powers that belong to the different races.

>Just because they are based on Tibetans does not mean they are exactly like Tibetans with that one exception.

Tibetan Buddhism is recorded as a religion.

>>1060273

>>1060274

They radically changed spirits to fit them into some morality play on multiculturalism against segregation.

In TLA, spirits were their setting's answer to kami or sidhe. Their world could only be accessed by men through extraordinary circumstances (while spirits themselves didn't really have limitations on just entering man's world beyond taking the forms of beasts).

In LoK, spirits were treated as more or less something you'd see in a Hiyao Miyazaki film. Victims of dastardly man in a shining new history of segregation and man being mean. The spirit world can be accessed by the likes of Asami.

>>1060275

>stop saying bad words about korra my waifufag cartoon

>>1060289

Which is kinda dumb. Hell, Aang had a devil of a time just getting into the Spirit World…now they can just walk there. And really, how the hell they forgot that malevolent spirits are a thing? I mean Koh the Face Stealer's one of them, no?

>>1060289

>Removing a hegemon always leads to more war.

>Actual history backs me.

Well, a few removed monarchs, the first I could find: Charles XII of Sweden, died during the in 1718. The Great Northern War (1700–1721) had been going on for a while after that, and with his death several of Sweden's enemies got into disagreements and finally made peace, and then Russia made peace in '21.

Didn't spark off more war. And like in Avatar, there had already been war for a while.

Or we could go for the royal patricide angle, seeing as Zuko cooperated with the Avatar that defeated Ozai: Amangkurat II, killed his father and crushed the on-going rebellion, had to pay back the Dutch for a lot of debt, but no more war in his time.

Just from the first two examples I looked up, it really doesn't seem that all history backs you up on that statement.

>You're the one saying he "rejected" his heritage like he was went over it then decided to ignore it.

I don't think there's very much to go over. "Don't kill." That's it. And he clearly decided to kill, so by his actions he clearly rejected pacifism. Although, I suppose he might have fought and killed dozens of Fire Nation soldiers while sleepwalking, in which case he never consciously made a decision to reject the pacifist tenets of Air Nomadism.

>Ozai needs to die or he'll proceed to destabilize the Fire Nation. That's a situation for execution.

But it has nothing to do with teaching air nomad monks to be executioners. That's just completely unnecessarily complicated when you can kill him yourself, or if unwilling, some Fire Nation executioner can do it.

>Foggy Swamp's waterbenders who while coming from one of the poles

They did? I hadn't even thought of those. But that just reinforces the hypothesis of a genetic component of which element one might have the talent to bend.

Anyway, even if they invent another branch of waterbending, it's still waterbending. And they do also bend water, besides that in plants.

What was your point?

>You're still acting like bending is some mutant powers that belong to the different races.

Yes, so? The X-men went to school to master their mutant-powers too.

>Tibetan Buddhism is recorded as a religion.

Is this some sort of appeal to authority without specifying any actual authority.

Look, I don't want to hear why other people think Tibetan Buddhism is a religion, I want to hear your perspective on why "Air Nomadism" is a religion.

>>1060292

>tries to counter

Look up what happened around the world during decolonization (war and otherwise havoc). The Fire Nation is transparently a stand-in for Showa Japan.

FYI, LoK not having more geopolitical shifts at the start than Republic City being built on EK land is lazy. The world should have dealt with more new countries, tinpot tyrants, secession, that wouldn't be fixed even when Aang was gone.

>But it has nothing to do with teaching air nomad monks to be executioners. That's just completely unnecessarily complicated when you can kill him yourself, or if unwilling, some Fire Nation executioner can do it.

The point is that airbenders who commit executions wouldn't be "rejecting" their heritage as you call it now.

>They did? I hadn't even thought of those. But that just reinforces the hypothesis of a genetic component of which element one might have the talent to bend.

>Anyway, even if they invent another branch of waterbending, it's still waterbending. And they do also bend water, besides that in plants.

>What was your point?

A horde of waterbenders went into a totally different environment and grew into so hard a new branch of waterbending was invented. That's culture/location/upbringing impacting bending. Ala the Air Nomads having so many benders from their society. Not just blood.

>Yes, so? The X-men went to school to master their mutant-powers too.

They were not treated that way in TLA. There wasn't an actual "bender" identity as LoK tried to insert for its Fantasy Racist/Communism plot.

>Look, I don't want to hear why other people think Tibetan Buddhism is a religion, I want to hear your perspective on why "Air Nomadism" is a religion.

If Tibetan Buddhists count then Air Nomads do.

>>1060273

>>1060249

The hilarious thing is that including evil spirits not only breaks the lore but contradicts the themes they were going for with spirits as immigrants, lmao.

>>1060275

Korra was hot garbage. The new She-Ra is a better successor to TLA's character writing. The protagonist Adora even has Korra's major personality traits but written as sympathetic instead of frustrating.

>>1060304

Breaks the lore how?

>>1060394

The whole point of spirits is that they are what they are and tied to some particular theme. They're neither good nor bad, but some are nicer than others. The episode where they introduce spirits, you see Heibai the spirit of a particular forest, and he's scary because he's reacting to the forest being cut down for Fire Nation military construction. Aang manages to help Hei Bai stop being mad, but not by using magic hypnosis which is retarded. He deals with Heibai by helping him and the villagers he was harassing live in harmony. It's a completely different way for spirits to be from "durr bad spirits are infected with ebul essence and u can cast dominate spirit on dem like DnD." The actual point of the Hei Bai episode was to explain that spirits aren't good or bad, but behave like people or animals and act differently in different contexts.

Korra in general abandons the world having a basis in eastern mysticism (harmony and balance) instead of western gud bersus ebul shit. The worst example is the whole Raava/Vaatu shit which misunderstands balance in the same way as the prequel Jedi (balance is when we get rid of the other side).

>>1060295

>Look up what happened around the world during decolonization (war and otherwise havoc).

Dunno about Japan, but I'm pretty sure the European colonial powers decolonized pretty peacefully. Peacefully in their own lands at least, dunno about the former colonies, but in this metaphor that's also irrelevant to the issue with Ozai.

>LoK

Well of course it's shit.

>The point is that airbenders who commit executions wouldn't be "rejecting" their heritage as you call it now.

As far as I can tell you've argued for the necessity of executing Ozai. But I don't remember anywhere in this lengthy conversation you argued that cutting the head off a man is compatible with pacifism.

>That's culture/location/upbringing impacting bending.

It doesn't impact the basic ability of the bender in question. Katara grew up in the south pole, learned how to bend water in the form of snow and ice. Then she met Hama, and learned how to bend water in the form of vapor and blood. Had she stayed a bit in foggy bottom, she'd almost certainly also have learned to plant-bend. And Toph's metal-bending didn't have anything to do with her culture or upbringing, but you can say it had something to do with her location inside a metal container at the time, but for purely practical reasons.

>They were not treated that way in TLA. There wasn't an actual "bender" identity

Cultural identity has nothing to do with the matter of whether or not bending isn't comparable to mutant powers. Whether or not I or society identifies me as a grey-toed mutant doesn't change the fact that I'm a nine-toed mutant, for example (I have ten toes, it's just an example).

>If Tibetan Buddhists count then Air Nomads do.

I never said Tibetan Buddhists count. Nor are Air Nomad teachings necessarily entirely comparable to Tibetan Buddhist teachings.

>>1060409

I see your point. Maybe they could just retconned Raava and Vaatu being Chaos and Order rather than Good and Evil?

Poor Aang, man. Probably wanted to continue the Airbender legacy but his 2 kids aren't airbenders so you spent time with the only other airbender of a son you got and they resent you for it. At least Bumi made something of himself…Kya's just a dead end. No wonder Aang thought she's a disappointment.

>>1060493

>Dunno about Japan, but I'm pretty sure the European colonial powers decolonized pretty peacefully. Peacefully in their own lands at least, dunno about the former colonies, but in this metaphor that's also irrelevant to the issue with Ozai.

Just look at Africa.

>It doesn't impact the basic ability of the bender in question. Katara grew up in the south pole, learned how to bend water in the form of snow and ice. Then she met Hama, and learned how to bend water in the form of vapor and blood. Had she stayed a bit in foggy bottom, she'd almost certainly also have learned to plant-bend. And Toph's metal-bending didn't have anything to do with her culture or upbringing, but you can say it had something to do with her location inside a metal container at the time, but for purely practical reasons.

Point is waterbenders show a surprising amount of versatility with their water. Take a newborn waterbender into Earth Land and raise him among fellow earthbenders?

>Cultural identity has nothing to do with the matter of whether or not bending isn't comparable to mutant powers. Whether or not I or society identifies me as a grey-toed mutant doesn't change the fact that I'm a nine-toed mutant, for example (I have ten toes, it's just an example).

Sure it does. Being able to bend might depend on blood, but nothing says benders as a whole are seen as having an identity. Mutants in Marvel are a big metaphor for the Jews/Homos so of course they have one.

>>1060579

Yin and Yang aren't "Order VS Chaos." They're opposites working together to build order.

Also, pre-modern societies saw chaos as a representation of the collapse of their societies. The wild intruding. Not like Zaheer's "muh fredum kill da avatar."

>>1060581

Plenty of advancements didn't come from them. More importantly, the Bell Lab had centuries of infrastructure and past work to build off of. Korra just had the Fire Nation terrorize the world for a century.

>>1060661

It would have been easy enough to avoid that problem if they established Aang wasn't the only Air Nomad by blood man left. The war lasted for a century, plenty of time for leftovers to fade into non-bended populations.

>>1060747

In other words…there's no salvaging LoK huh?

>>1060792

Not really. Nobody in the chans unironically defends it for one. It didn't need to be made and ultimately only came about from a desire on the showrunners' part to be "cool and relevant", to the point of hacking apart past work (hence Wan's flashback, which comes off as a reimagining of Aang among a wider attempt to remake TLA's setting to fit the new direction).

You can just compare the change of the Avatar from a representative of balance to an enforcer of "balance."

>>1060853

Crud…there goes that idea I had for a follow up that basically torpedoes everything from LoK. Ah well..

>>1038402

That would be a pretty steamy ship

>>1060873

Post it anyway. It can't be worse than what LoK is.

>>1061969

Sorry I took a while, champ. Might also post it on another thread. Here goes:

>Main character is an Earthbender who was traumatized to use bending because he nuked his hometown. Long story short, Equalists attacked his hometown, young Kouji (initial name, might change it) tapped into the Avatar state and since his only past life is Korra, lost control and nuked his hometown with the only survivors being him, his older brother Tetsu and childhood friend Saya

>The only Earth bending he can do is small pebble bullets which he can fire pretty accurately but 9 times out of 10, he settles for hand to hand fighting or his wits

>Currently works as a private detective in Republic City, his brother's a police detective and a fire bender that can also bend lightning

>Setting wise, it be a 1950's pulp thing combined with wuxia (basically closer to the Giant Robo OVA, you know, guys in suits and ties doing martial arts and such)

>World now kinda suffers from what Korra did, spirits run rampant, exposure created benders with extended abilities like able to create air blades by snapping their fingers or fire benders firing explosive shockwaves from their hands

>Plus the Equalists returned with their leader, the real Amon and they're working on making artificial benders (basically guys in mech suits with abilities to mimic bending etc.)

>Saya later becomes a chi blocker as she was rescued by the Equalists and was trained by them to take down the Avatar and for revenge (Kouji did nuked her hometown, killing her family). Is a reporter to get closer to Kouji

>Zhen, blind defense attorney and Kouji's partner (more like they had to share the same office as both of them had to pool their cash to get the only affordable place). Is an Earthbender and a pretty good fencer (keeps his sword hidden inside his cane). When he's not working on his cases, he helps Kouji out in his cases..and occasionally has fun on Kouji's expense

Granted this idea I have for the third series also involves…retconning the fuck out of LoK, torpedoing the Korrasami ship and have Korra instead settling down with a non-bender (who will show up in the 3rd series as basically serves as the Speedwagon Foundation for the Avatar AND their oldest son happen to be Kouji's martial arts master…who is suffering from an incurable disease)

>>1066623

Sounds interesting anon. Who is the real Amon? Some guy who got his face burned off by Firebenders like he originally said?

anyone know any decent fan comics? At this point the official stuff is worse than most fan fiction.