No.1000542
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>DC Comics has announced plans to relaunch its Vertigo imprint with seven new titles, all of which will focus on "modern, socially relevant, high-concept, inventive stories appealing to readers of all genres."
>Vertigo Executive Editor Mark Doyle will oversee the relaunch, which starts in September.
>“It’s time to rebuild DC Vertigo,” said Doyle in a statement. “We’re returning to our roots by spotlighting the most exciting new voices in comics, as well as bringing new voices to comics. From the corners of television, games, music, activism, podcasting, comics and more, all of our creators are passionate and have something to say. These sophisticated stories have amazing new characters and vast worlds to explore. That’s what it has always been about for me - new stories, new voices, new possibilities. We’re creating a new generation of DC Vertigo classics for readers of all genres.”
No.1000544
BORDER TOWN
>From writer Eric M. Esquivel (Adventure Time, Starburns Presents) with art and covers by Ramon Villalobos (Nighthawk, America) will debut in September
>When a crack in the border between worlds releases an army of monsters from Mexican folklore into the small town of Devil’s Fork, Arizona, the residents blame the ensuing weirdness—the shared nightmares, the otherworldly radio transmissions, the mysterious goat mutilations—on “God-dang illegals.” With racial tensions supernaturally charged, it’s up to new kid in town Frank Dominguez and a motley crew of high school misfits to discover what’s REALLY going on.
No.1000545
HEX WIVES
>From writer Ben Blacker (co-creator of The Thrilling Adventure Hour) with art by Mirka Andolfo (Wonder Woman, Shade the Changing Girl) will debut in October
>“The women are too powerful. They must be tamed.” A malevolent conspiracy of men brainwashes a coven of witches to be subservient, suburban housewives. But it’s only a matter of time before the women remember their power…
No.1000546
GODDESS MODE
>from writer Zoë Quinn (Crash Override, featured in People’s 25 Women Who Are Changing the World and Forbes’ 30 Under 30) with art by Robbi Rodriguez (Spider-Gwen, FBP: Federal Bureau of Physics) will debut in December
>In a near future where all of humanity’s needs are administered by a godlike A.I., it’s one young woman’s horrible job to do tech support on it. But when Cassandra finds herself violently drawn into a hidden and deadly digital world beneath our own, she discovers a group of super-powered women and horrific monsters locked in a secret war for the cheat codes to reality.
No.1000547
SAFE SEX
>from writer Tina Horn (host/producer of Why Are People Into That? podcast, writer/journalist/lecturer in sexual education and activism) and artist Mike Dowling (Unfollow, 2000 AD) will debut in 2019
>A dystopian sci-fi thriller about a ragtag team of sex workers fighting for the freedom to love in a world where sexual pleasure is monitored, regulated and policed by the government.
No.1000548
SECOND COMING
>from writer Mark Russell (God Is Disappointed in You, The Flintstones) with art by Richard Pace (Imaginary Fiends) will debut in 2019
>God sends Jesus to Earth in hopes that he will learn the family trade from Sun-Man, an all-powerful superhero, who is like the varsity quarterback son God never had. But, upon his return to Earth, Christ is appalled to discover what has become of his Gospel and vows to set the record right.
No.1000549
Just cancel Vertigo. Put it out of its misery.
No.1000550
HIGH LEVEL
>from writer Rob Sheridan (former art director for Nine Inch Nails, co-creator of the Year Zero alternate reality game) with art by Barnaby Bagenda (The Omega Men, Green Lanterns) will debut in 2019
>Hundreds of years after the world ended and human society was rebuilt from scratch, a self-interested smuggler with a price on her head is forced to traverse a new continent of danger and mystery to deliver a child messiah to High Level, a mythical city at the top of the world from which no one has ever returned.
No.1000552
AMERICAN CARNAGE
>from writer Bryan Hill (TitansTITANS show set to launch on the DC-branded digital service, Michael Cray) with art by Leandro Fernandez (The Names,The Punisher Max) will debut in November
>In this thrilling crime saga, disgraced FBI agent Richard Wright, who is biracial but can pass for white, goes undercover in a white supremacist group believed to be responsible for the death of a fellow agent.
No.1000553
These all sound fucking awful
No.1000554
>>1000546
>writer Zoë Quinn
Welp, wonder who she fucked for this. I do know she will fuck this over for fat oppression buxs.
No.1000558
>>1000554
Put it back in the oven. It's not done yet.
No.1000559
>>1000546
wait wait wait, does the GGs know about this?
No.1000560
>>1000559
Looks like retailers actually want a full-on comicsgate to boost the backlash sales. I think women in videogames and playing videogames got a lot more prominent after gamergate.
No.1000561
>>1000559
You could always make a thread on their board to let them know.
No.1000562
>>1000559
>>>/v/14919651
>>>/v/14919657
No.1000563
>>1000542
<modern, socially relevant,
I think I know where this is going…
>>1000544
<Dude, people who care about immigration are stupid
>>1000545
<Dude, it's wrong for women to be traditional
>>1000546
<Zoë Quinn
>>1000547
Feminism in its end state is endless dogmatic defense of a woman's right to prostitute herself. Funny how many of these cunts claim to be communists. It's like they don't even read Marx.
>>1000548
> Sun-Man, an all-powerful superhero,
I'm really upset that they whitewashed Sun Man. How is Moonman supposed to lynch him now?
>>1000550
I'm surprised they got one that isn't obviously pozzed.
>>1000552
<Dude, Straight White Male Conservatives are the real terrorists
No.1000564
I've never felt so much dissapointment reading these descriptions.
lgbt,racial,gender overtones. Horrible writers. Goddess mode, American Carnage and Goddess sounded promising till I read who're writing it.
No.1000566
so basically
>"we're going to keep doing what we're already doing, but with new characters."
>"new generation of DC Vertigo classics for readers of all genres… but not if you are looking for anything with conservative values, fuck that noise."
It's amazing how they keep doing the exact same thing but pretending it's new.
No.1000567
>>1000548
I can't wait until the actual Second Coming so we can finally rid the earth of these fucks.
No.1000568
>>1000554
>reports and articles of her being attacked by misogynist comic fans with no proof in 3, 2, 1 and-
Wow, what a coincidence that as soon as some people start calling themselves "comicsgate", she suddenly appears in that industry. She's like a fucking purple-haired Candyman.
>>1000542
>Vertigo returns to it's roots with wide line relaunch and DC Vertigo rebrand
Citation needed. The books there look no different from the hand full of books they've been publishing in the fast few years. Those books sold like shit and why would this be any different? There's no saving Vertigo it this point. They lost all their momentum when stuff like Swamp Thing, Doom Patrol, Hellblazer etc were folded back into DC. Plus, with Sandman getting its own imprint, that's another strike against this. That kind of stuff brought people's attention to the line which in turn allowed for stuff like Fables, Y The Last Man, 100 Bullets and Preacher to get exposure and be a success. You need marquee titles and creators to help support everything else. There's nothing stand out there. Nothing that makes this "relaunch" seem exciting and unique. I mostly read horror and sci-fi comics, and there was a long stretch where most of what I read was Vertigo. This does nothing to draw me back in. There was a period six or seven years ago when they had quite a few really underrated books. Stuff like Madame Xanadu, House of Mystery, American Vampire, and Sweet Tooth. After those ended, I found the line had nothing compelling.
Also, pay attention to how many of those writers have actually written comics before. Even writing them requires an understanding of how the medium works and how to get the most out of your artist. This is why comics from failed screenplay writers often have pacing issues.
Young Animal crashed and burned and it seemed a lot more similar to Vertigo's roots than this does. Most of these will sell no more than 10,000 (if they're lucky), they'll pretend it's a big success and give vague "They're selling amazingly in the book stores" statements (If they sell so well in the book store, why waste time with floppies and not just do graphic novels instead?). Meanwhile, Vertigo will be in no better shape than it has been in for the past few years and blame will be placed everywhere but within.
No.1000569
>>1000554
>Welp, wonder who she fucked for this.
Everyone. However, given the white knight faggotry in the industry, she probably just rode in on a "muh gatorgamer bullies" platform. I hope Kuchera gave her herpes in exchange for the syph she gave him.
No.1000570
Karen Berger was forced out for this.
No.1000573
Its all my fault. I used the monkey paw to bring American Vampire back.
No.1000574
The industry wants a comicsgate to boost sales and publicity, now they've put the big fat worm Zoe Quinn on the hook.
Don't take the bait guys.
No.1000575
>>1000574
Honestly, it's all just DC being DC. This is exactly the kind of crap I expect out of the big 2, except they don't even have the courtesy to have one decent and experienced writer this time.
No.1000576
>>1000574
>Don't take the bait guys
That goes without saying. However, as we've seen with Literally Whos before, even if no one takes the bait, they'll manufacture scenarios where it's framed like people did.
No.1000580
>>1000575
>>1000576
>tfw I just realized that Diversity & Comics and Shitty Webcomics goons are going to be all over this
Oh man, this shit is going to be worse than any of us can even imagine
No.1000582
>>1000580
You can write it down. D&C is going to take the bait and sperg all over making everyone that opposes SJWs look like jackasses.
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No.1000584
>>1000574
Even if the comicsgate meme happens its not gonna boost sales, in fact it will make them worse.
No.1000586
>>1000584
I don't think sales will matter very much, since she is writing a limited series if I am not mistaken. It won't be a regular series like America Chavez was intended to.
No.1000595
>First some fag ass furry shuts down all Calarts discussion
>Now D&C will bring back a new wave of #HASHTAG talent
Good job inviting in the vampire, retards.
No.1000596
Jesus fucking christ I can't even say I like Vertigo anymore
No.1000597
>>1000584
>Even if the comicsgate meme happens its not gonna boost sales, in fact it will make them worse.
Are you fucking with me? Are you playin' nigger?
Comic sales are already worse, which is why the industry wants all that publicity and those sales. The old fanbase has been slowly dying off for decades now with no new blood to replace them. The risk of pissing off the few old neckbeards left is far outweighed by the rewards a comicsgate will bring to everyone involved.
Really, the fucking plan is brilliant. The industry foments the idea that there's a bunch of nazis and bigots fighting against "diversity", which brings normies into shops to buy the new, "hash-tag light" books Marvel's been producing lately. There's the potential to save the industry with this scheme and that's horrifying.
No.1000601
>>1000542
>We’re returning to our roots
By allowing creator ownership again? You know, the actual "roots" of Vertigo?
Oh wait, you're not.
No.1000603
>>1000544
>Copying that horrid Fox cartoon, down to its name
>Cartoon that was universally panned, even by those who it pandered to
>Infusing it with concepts from North 40 and Stranger Things
That's great. It will surely do well. And racial tensions will only include 'backwards rednecks vs everyone else'. Author will conveniently ignore tensions between Latinos, blacks, and Asians because he grew up in a gated community and knows nothing about growing up poor in a diverse area.
>>1000545
>Transparent feminist pandering
It's gonna be shit.
What is going on with hipsters and occult? Did Buffy and Harry Potter really did that much damage? Finding good urban fantasy comics or books is a major pain in the ass. New Volume of Mage is the first decent book in the genre since Witch Doctor 'ended.'
>>1000546
Idea is decent enough, but
>Zoe Quinn
>Robbi Rodriguez
What is DC thinking? Quinn is a PR nightmare and has a history of shit talking her past and prospective employers. Book will be shit, but I am gonna read it out of morbid curiosity.
>>1000547
Sounds fairly generic. Maybe it will at least point out that making prostitution illegal does more harm than good.
>>1000548
This actually sound somewhat interesting. Hopefully Russel will not make the mistake he did with Flinstones and will let this series stay good.
>>1000550
This might be decent too. There are also no sings of it being shat up by author's hamfisted politics, but cover and short description is all that is out.
>>1000552
>Shallow identity politics
This is just absurd. This iteration of Vertigo looks like DC's attempt to emulate the worst aspects of Image, IDW, and Black Mask. All it will do is alienate old Image fans who either like weird shit or stories that are 'out of the box.' Last time DC attempted to emulate Image, Vertigo got canned. Doing the same thing with the revival, but turning pandering to eleven is just a bad idea. Does DC want Vertigo to fail?
No.1000604
>>1000603
Do you see how much bait this shit is? DO YOU SEE?
This shit is a fucking trap, a trap that faggots like D&C can't resist stepping into. They're going to play them like a damn fiddle to save themselves and the crooked industry they created. It's going to work, and no amount of warning from us is going to stop it.
No.1000606
>>1000597
>>1000604
>>1000546
>Really, the fucking plan is brilliant. The industry foments the idea that there's a bunch of nazis and bigots fighting against "diversity", which brings normies into shops to buy the new, "hash-tag light" books Marvel's been producing lately. There's the potential to save the industry with this scheme and that's horrifying.
Comics could be covered with God's jizzsmears and normalfags would still not buy them.
They're too boring for them, I'm not shitting you when I say reading speech bubbles for more than 3 pages takes too much attention for them.
Doesn't mean DC won't try by using fucking Zoe Quinn
>>1000603
>Quinn is a PR nightmare and has a history of shit talking her past and prospective employers.
It doesn't matter if Zoe's is literally cancerous, SHE IS THE MAIN TUMOR.
I'm a spic. Back in 1968 a soccer match between two middle schools created a fight between the local gangs which needed police intervention, somehow all that went out of control and by October the government killed a thousand college students that where participating in a peaceful protest.
The moral of the story is that dumb shit. if let go out of control can result in big fucking issues, whether they're good or bad is up to you.
In a similar way I believe Zoe Quinn single handedly catalyzed the route for Trump's eventual election.
Zoe Quinn is a PR nightmare, but she is the biggest PR nightmare.
And yet normies won't buy comics.
No.1000610
>>1000606
>The industry foments the idea that there's a bunch of nazis and bigots fighting against "diversity", which brings normies into shops to buy the new, "hash-tag light" books
>people who won't even buy video games, buying into a fringe medium like comics
I don't think there's much danger here. These people only buy overpriced coffee and Netflix subscriptions.
No.1000612
>>1000606
>Doesn't mean DC won't try by using fucking Zoe Quinn
I'm of the opinion that DC is perfectly aware of her reputation, which is why she's getting a book in the first place. She's perfect bait for D&C and his army of spergs.
Which, if everything goes according to my observations, will put DC in the perfect place to shill themselves as being against the alt-right and nazis, which the vast majority of young people are against. Now, if they learn from Marvel's disasterous hash-tag books, they'll steer clear of extremist shit and keep the vast majority of their product merely "center-left". That way they can trigger the shit-heads like Diversity and Comics, but still sell comics that are palatable to normies.
However, as with all of the Big Two plans, they once-again forget about a key element that will make or break all of their schemes: The actual quality of the comics they produce. Which means there's a slim chance that we'll all survive this.
No.1000613
>>1000604
>This shit is a fucking trap, a trap that faggots like D&C can't resist stepping into.
Of course they're going to step into it. At the end of the day, this announcement is going to burn a lot of people's biscuits which will result in a lot of clicks for the people who make videos about it. I don't think most of them have enough restraint to stop and think whether talking about it and bringing up Quinn is a good idea in the long run. Even pre-GG, she's made an entire career out of acting like a victim because someone looked at her cockeyed.
>They're going to play them like a damn fiddle to save themselves and the crooked industry they created. It's going to work, and no amount of warning from us is going to stop it.
They will play them like a fiddle. but save the industry? Fuck no. This will have no positive effect on comics (especially Vertigo) sales. People aren't even buying books that are mainstream and accessible, so they're sure not going to buy this stuff. If anything, it will have a negative effect and spread the cancer faster. We'll have more professional victims who cry about getting mean DMs (but no you can't see them, because they're too shocking), which in turn will result in every shithole comics news site white knighting and making articles about it which will lead to them getting more comics jobs. All the while, people turn away with no new audience stepping in to fill their shoes.
No.1000614
>>1000606
>Zoe Quinn single handedly catalyzed the route for Trump's eventual election.
The worst part is that she realizes this. If only she kept her legs shut, she wouldn't have created a far-right wave that caused US, Italy, Russia and Poland to fall into nationalism.
But really though, as funny it is to meme that GamerGate helped elect Trump, lets be honest, he won because he appealed to the American working class that was getting shat on by the coastal liberals that intend on replacing them with cheap foreign workers. I am a BR and I know this. They were also very worried how would Hillary deal with terrorism and migration, since no liberals were willing to talk about the elephant in the room regarding the terrorist attacks caused by all the infiltrators among the refugees.
No.1000615
>>1000612
>Now, if they learn from Marvel's disasterous hash-tag books, they'll steer clear of extremist shit and keep the vast majority of their product merely "center-left".
They have. Why the fuck do you think they're publishing it in Vertigo and not the main DC imprint?
They're are not that retarded to pull an "all new, all different" on the JLA.
No.1000618
>>1000614
>I dumped a dude
>dumped
That's a funny way of spelling "emotionally abused"
No.1000619
>>1000612
Your theory revolves around the idea that far-left ideologues can be subtle with their beliefs.
I respectfully disagree that this is even possible, but have great respect for the concern you have about the situation.
No.1000622
>>1000614
sage for off-topic
Of course GG didn't make Trump won but the constant fighting between both sides becoming pop culture definitely helped Trump's absurdly brutally honest campaign be more palatable also it showed how shit the neo-liberals actually are, I wouldn't be surprised if people voted for Trump just to avoid seeing those cunts' smug faces for four years.
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No.1000624
>>1000549
They did cancel Vertigo. This what they brought it back for. They literally fired a well respected woman who made the line what it was, took away creators rights, and then gave the line to man technically, he's a soyboy who convinced a bunch of woke retards to pitch retarded ideas. It's just like people who hate capitalism promoting Disney movies.
No.1000625
>>1000622
but i liked the mememagic and Kek parts, i wanted a comic where The Egyptian frog beat up Thor, and in the end returns to shitpost in the webz
No.1000627
>>1000614
>since no liberals were willing to talk about the elephant in the room regarding the terrorist attacks caused by all the infiltrators among the refugees.
Oh god, I still remember this.
In the second presidential debate Trump called Hillary out on this and he very specifically called the terrorist as a existing minority amongst the refugees. Bitch BSOD' live and just changed the subject, and this was Hillary pretending she cared about liberals, I bet real neo-liberals are physically unable to acknowledge the fact.
Shit was hilarously cringy
>>1000625
>but i liked the mememagic and Kek parts, i wanted a comic where The Egyptian frog beat up Thor, and in the end returns to shitpost in the webz
Me too, truth be told, although Trump's actual incompetence Less than they tell us in the news but still very worrying has become more obvious I still watch videos of the elections when I feel down just to watch all the lefties cry.
No.1000628
>>1000580
>Shitty Webcomics
Is he still around? It seemed like he had a mental breakdown because his mind digested too many shitty things (just like commonfilth) and his blog became the insight of a schizo's mind as a result. If we're talking about the same guy, of course.
No.1000629
>>1000614
>Russia and Poland to fall into nationalism
Nearly all Slavs are nationalistic at least to a degree.
>>1000554
>>1000546
>>1000614
Why would she even set a foot into the comics industry? Did she finally get chased out of the gaming industry? Her non-profit organization, book, speaking arrangements, and selling movie rights to Amy Pascal should be enough to make up for her declining patron donations.
No.1000630
I find funny how Zoe failed so much in the videogame industry that she just now went with the tail between her legs to write comics
No.1000631
>>1000629
I think she was helping Andrew Hussie or someone else make a meme live action VN.
No.1000632
>>1000629
>Why would she even set a foot into the comics industry?
Because the kind of people who ruined the indie gaming scene are the same kind also in charge of comics and cartoons.
No.1000633
>>1000629
>>1000632
She got chased out of the gaming industry and moved on to the best/worst place that tolerates cronysm better than any other industry, the comic scene. I know some SJWs are happy with this because they believe this will help her recover and move on from the GG controversy, but this situation is sorta like how Heather Amos ended up.
No.1000635
>>1000547
Its funny because it was one of those feminist Nordic countries that banned prostitution (I think it was Iceland).
No.1000639
>>1000631
the dude that make those Surreal homoerotica books, Something Tingly was his nickname, i think somebody on the GG threads claimed the guy was a goon
No.1000640
>>1000633
>they believe this will help her recover and move on from the GG controversy
>implying she wants to move on
She will ride that money train as long as she can. She's jumping to comics because she knows she can play the whole "comicgate is attacking me! Woe is me! Wherever I go I'm targeted!" This is the same woman who tried to convince people Nintendo was personally attacking her because they put a Watergate joke into a Paper Mario game and anything with a -gate suffix is connected to Gamergate and an attack on her.
No.1000642
>>1000628
The Shitty Webcomics guy reeks goon.
>>1000597
>Really, the fucking plan is brilliant.
In what planet is continuing to pander to a vocal minority who won't buy your products by shitting on most of consumer base a brilliant idea.
No.1000651
>>1000619
Who said they'll be writing the main books? DC's not going to let those freaks anywhere near their non-Vertigo titles, which is the plan. It doesn't matter if the new Vertigo trash sells, it's fucking Vertigo. What matters is that it rustles fags jimmies enough to make it a thing, which will spread on social media, which might bring normies to shops to buy books.
>>1000642
>In what planet is continuing to pander to a vocal minority who won't buy your products by shitting on most of consumer base a brilliant idea.
And here's the brilliance of the plan: they're not making books for sjws. Zoe Quinn writing a Vertigo title, in fact all of these Vertigo titles, are just a means to an end: to get normies into comics. They're banking on them getting interested in their other titles after fags sperg out and make it another gamergate.
Also, the entire scheme is a victim-less crime. The old neckbeards have been dying out since the early 2000s, and the few that remain are going to side against comicsgate. Those neckbeards not only would still be getting their fix, but such a situation would appeal to their pathetic need for social respect. The people that'll rage against it are fucking casuals who aren't even buying their books to begin with. The shops lose no sales and have the potential to get the new blood desperately needed to keep the industry afloat. It's a win - win.
Which is why we have to rely on the quality of mainline titles being shit if we're to hope that DC doesn't succeed with their sinister sequential strategy.
No.1000657
>>1000651
>The shops lose no sales and have the potential to get the new blood desperately needed to keep the industry afloat. It's a win - win.
This has literally never worked, because there's no such thing as a "normie comic book reader". You either read comic books, or you don't. If you don't read comic books, you'll never hear shit about any of this anyway.
No.1000659
>>1000651
>And here's the brilliance of the plan: they're not making books for sjws. Zoe Quinn writing a Vertigo title, in fact all of these Vertigo titles, are just a means to an end: to get normies into comics. They're banking on them getting interested in their other titles after fags sperg out and make it another gamergate
This is where you lose me. How does people getting angry about comics translate into normalfags wanting to read them?
No.1000660
>>1000568
>If they sell so well in the book store, why waste time with floppies and not just do graphic novels instead?
Monthly serialization, for better or worse, is a cheaper way to gauge long-term reader interest and sustain it monthly. Going straight to trade is risky because they have to sell enough people on >$20 books to make it financially worthwhile. Which is harder for anything that isn't superhero related or made by the latest indie darling.
No.1000662
>>1000651
I don't see people getting into comics because of a comicgate, if anything the drama will make them roll their eyes and push them away farther.
No.1000667
>>1000618
the boyfriend dumped her after he found out she had been cucking him with everyone who could advance her "career"
No.1000669
>>1000659
Publicity. The only people who would still bite on the Zoe Quinn are the crazy anti-sjws still clinging to it. You know, the ones that act like they're on a chinese cartoon pornography site when they're in public, and a lot of them just so happen to be what can be described as "alt-right". So you've got this person who's going to piss off a group of people widely despised by young people, and that group has no social skills so they're going to look like stupid cartoon villains.
You've got a clear good guys and bad guys narrative ready-made to be spread across the internet, and this narrative will bring attention to comics and might pique the interest of normies, enough that they go to a comic shop to check it out. Included would be the lapse fans and nerds of other things that'll get drawn into the fight as well who also might start buying comics again.
So, to put it simply, it's a publicity stunt. A crafty publicity stunt that's going to be generated by the unwitting anti-sjw crowd.
>>1000660
>Monthly serialization, for better or worse, is a cheaper way to gauge long-term reader interest and sustain it monthly.
Floppies generate more revenue for DC and Marvel than graphic novels. They produce so many titles a month that they only need a few high sellers to cover costs and the rest is gravy.
No.1000671
>>1000640
Of course Zoe is going to be self-serving and play the victim as long as there is money to be made of it. SJWs on the other hand are completely delusional to think she wants to move on and think helping her will put them one step closer to destroying the patriarchy.
No.1000672
>>1000651
>Also, the entire scheme is a victim-less crime. The old neckbeards have been dying out since the early 2000s, and the few that remain are going to side against comicsgate. Those neckbeards not only would still be getting their fix, but such a situation would appeal to their pathetic need for social respect. The people that'll rage against it are fucking casuals who aren't even buying their books to begin with. The shops lose no sales and have the potential to get the new blood desperately needed to keep the industry afloat. It's a win - win.
But what if these old neckbeards say 'fuck it,' and will boycott DC's books. Why would they give money to DC, who will then use it to hire even more hipsters who can't spend a day without preaching their politics? It's not like it's difficult to find comics for free or at very low prices. DC might squander all goodwill that Rebirth gained.
No.1000673
>>1000651
What other guys said is correct. Normalfags are cattle; they take the path of least resistance. They may play the latest AAA garbage or watch the newest Hollywood movie but they aren't going to deviate from the crowd for ideas that they aren't really invested into. Normalfags are distinct from SJWs by having some common sense rather than none. They generally don't care about things and not in the blackpilled way. They just don't care enough to think about ramifications of the ideas that they support or to research to see through the lies. As they get older, video games and movies stop being a social event and they just become a hobby, a shitty hobby. They'll attribute it to growing up instead of realizing that those games and movies were just not good.
No.1000674
>D&C not only knows that it's obviously bait for him to sperg out on, but he doesn't even care if doing so will bring down hellfire own him and anyone else who does it.
Hope you're ready for winter/early 2019, because it'll be a shitshow.
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No.1000676
>>1000672
The neckbeards that other anon is referring to are D&C crowd, the kind that still spite-buy comics to flush them out in the toilet and makes any anti-SJW critic look like a fucking idiots just see >>1000674.
No.1000678
When did this board turn against D&C?
No.1000679
>>1000672
>But what if these old neckbeards say 'fuck it,' and will boycott DC's books.
Won't happen. DC isn't touching the Rebirth Books. They're going to keep getting their fix and they're not going to give a single shit that DC gave some whore a Vertigo title. That's the devilish cunning of the plan: all they have to do is give Zoe Quinn a limited series, non-tentpole title and faggots are going to lose their minds.
Besides, comic fans aren't the customers in the direct market system. That would be the shops, and since DC isn't affecting the product they're ordering, they'd be more than happy to let DC do what DC is doing.
No.1000683
We're heading for a genuine Comicsgate and the outcome won't be good, for both sides.
No.1000685
>>1000682
Who knows, maybe Meyer will somehow walk out of this unscathed like all the other shit he was involved in/started.
No.1000686
<all this garbage but one
Multiversity Comics has the names of the cover artists:
>>1000545 - Joëlle Jones and Jordie Bellaire
>>1000547 - Tula Lotay
>>1000548 - Amanda Conner and Paul Mounts
>>1000550 - Guillaume Ospital
>>1000552 - Ben Oliver
No.1000687
>>1000682
I'm sure he knows. I think he just loves controversy.
No.1000688
>>1000683
GRAB YOUR COMICS BUG-OUT-BAG AND GET IN THE SHELTER
No.1000689
What if Richard actually likes the book and praises it, will a disaster be avoided?
No.1000691
>>1000683
*all sides
Remember, people who genuinely love comic books will be forced into this shitshow.
No.1000692
>>1000568
This relaunch should be:
BLACK MASK COMICS COMING TO THE BIG TWO!
>Young Animal crashed and burned
The lazy fag behind that imprint is planning to continue Doom Patrol but there's no ETA yet.
No.1000693
>>1000689
>what if he likes it?
No.1000694
>>1000690
>>1000693
He liked Calexit, so who knows what'll happen.
No.1000695
No.1000696
No.1000697
>>1000689
It's already started, it cannot be stopped now.
No.1000698
>>1000683
It was destined to happen. The summoner must be consumed to finish the ritual.
No.1000700
>>1000697
ALL THAT IS LEFT IS TO FAN THE FLAMES!
TORCHES, MY /CO/MRADES! FEED THE FUNERAL PYRE!
No.1000703
>>1000678
>against
Is disliking and criticizing someone being against them? He is a naive causal with shit taste. Worst thing about him is a big two fanboyism and who's tastes are defined by late 80s and 90s. Guy is also very ignorant of non-cape books. After some of the stupid shit he said, I was shocked to see that he owns a volume of Appleseed.
>>1000683
>>1000688
Well, whatever happens it will be interesting to watch.
No.1000704
>>1000674
I think Richie might've read too many Trump tweets, because it seems like he lives in his own reality where he thinks he's untouchable and that comicsgate is an actual movement.
He must also be delusional to think this is an attempt to stop his pet project when both fucking /co/'s realized, independently, that this shit was a fucking trap for publicity. Am I missing something here? Is this shit so obvious because we're 12 level intellects or something? Can normal people not see this for the clear bait that it is?
By the way He sounds like an annoying dweeb.
No.1000726
Meanwhile, cuckchan's on fire over this. And there's one faggot there that posted "Who gives a shit about covers".
No.1000732
>>1000669
>You've got a clear good guys and bad guys narrative ready-made to be spread across the internet, and this narrative will bring attention to comics and might pique the interest of normies, enough that they go to a comic shop to check it out. Included would be the lapse fans and nerds of other things that'll get drawn into the fight as well who also might start buying comics again.
That's a pretty big assumption, amigo. If the popular movies and TV shows based on comics fail to bring in normalfags, why would this? It would be more likely that it would just be a repeat of Gamergate, where anyone not in the know looks at it and says "This is retarded. Who cares?" and moves on. GG had a clear good guys vs bad guys narrative that was being shilled by the media, it involved one of the biggest entertainment mediums in the world, and normies didn't care about it one way or the other. Why would this be different? I just can't see where anyone would go "Wow, nerds are fighting about comics! I'm going to go and spend $4.99 for 22 pages that will take me 10 minutes to read!" If they didn't have that reaction when they enjoyed Avengers or Walking Dead or whatever.
>>1000683
But man, will it be hilarious.
>>1000726
>Meanwhile, cuckchan's on fire over this
>inb4 the mods freak out and all discussion of it is banned
No.1000735
>>1000733
To see the dumpster fire
No.1000736
>>1000552
>I actually thought the white supremacist in the cowboy hat was Obama for a second.
No.1000737
>>1000726
You know if comicsgate fucks up their board like gamergate did to half/v/ there could be another exodus and they'll come here.
No.1000741
>>1000737
/comicsgatehq/ soon?
No.1000745
>>1000726
Let's hope that's not gonna happen. Summer by itself is usually bad enough.
No.1000746
>>1000622
>I wouldn't be surprised if people voted for Trump just to avoid seeing those cunts' smug faces for four years.
I would've voted for Bernie, and that's exactly why I ended up voting for Trump. Liberals have become too deluded and suck their own cocks. They no longer want to teach and educate people who have shitty opinions. They want to ban people from having bad opinions and make it illegal.
No.1000752
>>1000629
>Did she finally get chased out of the gaming industry?
Kind of. She started and hasn't fulfilled a kickstarter for over a year now. And there was some nonsense that lead to trannies turning on her. Couple all that with the fact that they're really trying to make comicsgate happen, she's was bound to jump in the scene trying to extent her victimhood.
No.1000754
Other than the fact that Quinn is involved, is there any supporting evidence they want a comicsgate to happen?
No.1000755
>>1000546
Let's be honest: A lot of these comics sound undeniably and wholly awful. Like, just plain bad. But publishers have taken the "throw shit at the wall and see what sticks" method before. However… hiring Zoe Quinn in any capacity shows that something is rotten here. This is someone who is not only not widely liked, but someone with an incredibly weak online presence, little actual accomplishments to her name, only really has her butt buddies at twitter as a claim to fame, and most importantly of all in this context: She has no experience in comics or writing in general. You don't fucking hire someone like this without either fully expecting the backlash to advertise for you, or being a terminally cancerous faggot who blindly believes that Zoe Quinn is actually the larger than life legendary being she loves to pretend to be. Neither possibility is good.
What's more concerning is the fact that this is not the only instance of this kind of baffling shit. In light of their painful slide into obscurity, people outside of the faggoty clique of journos, wannabe intellectuals, and social media parasites are going out of their way to leverage what little power they have to shove these cunts back into the spotlight. Anita, Zoe, and their ilk are racking up a few thousand views per video and maybe a few dozen retweets on a good day. They have no audience… and yet, here they are. As if they are some kind of big "get" for the industry. As if we're supposed to be impressed that they got "THE ZOE QUINN" to step away from her busy schedule of whining for attention to pen a comic for them.
I'm so fucking sick of this bullshit.
No.1000758
>a bunch of internet nobodies writing book for a label that nobody has payed attention to since Hellblazer ended
Imagine giving a shit
No.1000759
>>1000746
I would have voted for Bane
No.1000764
>>1000545
Ben Blacker also co-authored an incredibly shitty Star Wars book that had a pretty obvious fart-fetish scene in it.
No.1000767
>>1000568
>I mostly read horror and sci-fi comics, and there was a long stretch where most of what I read was Vertigo.
Same here, but also westerns with occasional oddball story. Present day Dark Horse and Image are closer to what Vertigo used to be that this disgrace. Ten or fifteen years ago, Plastic and Resident Alien would be Vertigo books.
DC is making a mistake in embracing what is basically clickbait of comics. Why can't DC just try to repeat their past successes? People who liked old Vertigo them are still around, but due to lack of supply they are forced to look for the stories that appeal to their tastes elsewhere - it's mainly Eurocomics and Manga in my case.
>>1000606
>They're too boring for them, I'm not shitting you when I say reading speech bubbles for more than 3 pages takes too much attention for them.
It's not entirely accurate. Surprising amount of normalfags reads books if my coworkers are anything to off of. Manga also sells pretty well.
>>1000660
'Straight to trade' seems to work well enough for European and Japanese comics released in the U.S. Many indie books also sell like shit month to month, but for example Rat Queens and Saga trades take top spots in the months they release in. There are also independent creators who claim that they only start making money when first trade hits the stores. Not to mention that for the last few years, Image has been also doing cheap 1st and 2nd volume trades to draw in readers, which cost about $8 compared to usual $12 to $18 per trade.
I know that DC and Marvel play by different rules, but even DC has three upcoming imprints which will deal exclusively in trade-like volumes
No.1000768
Editor Andy Khouri is now with Vertigo.
Also Safe Sex #1 will be released in January 2019.
CONFIRMED AS ONGOINGS WITHIN 24 HOURS:
>Hex Witches
>American Carnage
CONFIRMED AS MINISERIES WITHIN 24 HOURS:
>High Level (?) [writer also designed the logo]
>>1000764
He and Acker still also wrote a few Deadpool comics no one cares as do their podcast
>>1000767
>DC is making a mistake in embracing what is basically clickbait of comics.
Because of S J W executive editor Mark Doyle
>DC has three upcoming imprints which will deal exclusively in trade-like volumes
These are all delayed. One of them, Black Label, will have planned 3-issue series though.
No.1000770
>>1000546
>Robbi Rodriguez
I almost laughed at Vertigos desperation until I read that fuckers name and now I'm totally consumed by the question how he's still making comics when he quit Marvel because his degenerative eye disease had gotten bad enough that he couldn't draw (as if he could in the first place); what the fuck is up with this shit?!
>>1000559
>the GGs
>You'll never skate around Sanfran beating cliques by spray painting anime porn on them
>>1000560
Weren't they complaining about that shit killing them?
No.1000774
>>1000770
>Weren't they complaining about that shit killing them?
Only the ones that think words can be violence. Your average shops knows that distribution methods and poor product are what's killing them.
No.1000779
>>1000768
>CONFIRMED AS ONGOINGS WITHIN 24 HOURS:
>>Hex Witches
>American Carnage
Unsurprising. Of this shitcrop those two are the only really marketable looking ones.
No.1000814
>>1000767
>>1000768
>DC is making a mistake in embracing what is basically clickbait of comics.
>fags acting like this is a new development
I'm going to enjoy watching all the newfags realize that /co/ was right.
No.1000817
>>1000629
>Why would she even set a foot into the comics industry?
Why wouldn't she? There's comicsgate. She wants the attention and some victim bucks. I wouldn't be surprised if Anita will step in soon too.
No.1000819
>>1000732
>If the popular movies and TV shows based on comics fail to bring in normalfags, why would this?
Because the movies and TV shows are vastly different than the comics themselves. A guy going to buy a Batman comic after watching Nolan Batman isn't going to get Nolan Batman. Depictions in other media never really brought in new readers. This is different because DC isn't relying on a new tv series or movie to shill their wares. Instead, they're going to use social media and using a controversial figure to trigger faggots into giving them free press. The hope is that this low cost publicity stunt will spread DC's brand and get normies aware of the other, non-Vertigo books DC is offering.
Now if normies are going to buy comics will remain to be seen, but the gamble is otherwise brilliant. The rebirth books remain unaffected, which means happy shops and happy neckbeards. The Vertigo books cost them nothing to produce, and by simply giving Zoe Quinn one of them, they're going to get buzz like you wouldn't believe. It's so diabolical that I can't help but be impressed.
No.1000828
>>1000819
>Now if normies are going to buy comics will remain to be seen, but the gamble is otherwise brilliant. The rebirth books remain unaffected, which means happy shops and happy neckbeards. The Vertigo books cost them nothing to produce, and by simply giving Zoe Quinn one of them, they're going to get buzz like you wouldn't believe. It's so diabolical that I can't help but be impressed.
This is as bad as the "There is no such thing as bad publicity" meme.
No.1000831
>>1000819
You're honestly delusional if you think this is going to work out any differently than the other million times the Big Two tried to use outrage to sell comics.
Normalfags don't care about comics. They don't know or care who Zoe Quinn is. Numerous MSM hitpieces against people who don't like Zoe Quinn isn't going to draw in normalfags attention because normalfags don't care about the MSM either. That's why Harvey Weinstein is in so much trouble. In the high unlikely event that everything else I've said turns out to be false and somehow this latest outrage drives normalfag interest in comic books to highest it's ever been in almost three decades, it won't matter. Why? Because there are barely any comic book shops left for the normalfags to actually go out and buy comics from.
No.1000832
>>1000544
>Mexican monsters attack a US city
>somehow the people being attacked are to blame
>comparing illegals to monsters
Homerun, retard.
No.1000833
>>1000828
Apathy is poison in the industry. They'd rather have rage than be ignored.
>>1000831
Actually, it's different. They're not using outrage to sell comics, they're using outrage to make people aware of comics. Zoe Quinn's book selling is irrelevant to the publicity it will generate. The D&C crowd spergs out and the ensuing fight tells people something is going on at DC, which gets them to look into what DC is selling. They're dropping the bomb not for the damage, but for the light-show.
As for comic shops, you apparently missed the news that Gamestop is going to start selling comics >>1000477. So normies are going to be able to find all of DC's major titles in all 7,000 Gamestop locations in the United States.
No.1000841
>>1000545
Welp… If there is probably any redeeming qualities is that the artist also gave us this jewel.
No.1000844
>>1000833
Normalfags didn't care about gamergate, they won't care about this. They'll just roll their eyes and walk away.
No.1000848
>>1000546
Let me guess. The godlike AI taking care of humanity's need is treated as a good thing and the final utopian destination of humankind, and the secret war Cassandra got sucked in is the uneducated masses that doesn't accept commu–utopian state. If it is, it shows the far left isn't aware of the "Last Man" scenario, where even if the AI isn't malevolent, society will stagnate if it doesn't have the will to take risks and act autonomous. "The Machine Stops" is a good example of a society that isn't shit because they have a totalitarian government, but because they're too reliant on their tech to be autonomous even when nothing's stopping them from going outside. Or you could even look at the Mouse Utopia experiment.
No.1000849
>>1000547
Ironically feminists are the ones against any prostitution or sexualization involving money. This is some shit to pander to lesbians and trannies or lesbian trannies, one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.
>>1000552
The twist is that the white supremacist group are actually nice men who just want to be left alone in their farms, their guns and their cowboy hats. They wouldn't even mind interratial if they are not cucked and they are the ones marrying nice litle asian girls or indians.
No.1000855
>>1000547
This sounds a lot like that B movie "Crime Zone' or that animated series from kickstarter.
>>1000548
This is the only one that actually looks like it could be an old-school vertigo title.
No.1000856
>>1000849
There are feminists who call themselves sex positive who support prostitution, and think it should be a right.
No.1000858
>>1000856
And a majority of them still hate men's sexuality. That's how you end up with Sweden's law where prostitution is legal, but hiring a prostitute isn't.
No.1000868
>>1000629
>Did she finally get chased out of the gaming industry
She was never in it. She's a psychotic faux-nerd, more than likely one of her current roastie stuffers is into it and told her how sexist it was. Also Comicsgate has been "going on" for a while. She probably got wind of it somehow between sniffing her own farts and saw an oppertunity to make a new controversy to make money.
Either way it's best to just completely fucking ignore it. It looks and sounds like trash.
No.1000881
>>1000833
>They're not using outrage to sell comics, they're using outrage to make people aware of comics.
It's the same thing. People are already very much aware that comics exist, they just don't care. If multibillion dollar movie franchises based on some of the most popular comic book properties didn't get people to care about comics, then some indie book by some whore most people have never heard of certainly won't
>Zoe Quinn's book selling is irrelevant to the publicity it will generate.
Again, see above. Nobody knows or cares who Zoe Quinn is. That she's writing a comic book means absolutely nothing to them. Her MSM fuckbuddies can write all the articles they want, nobody cares about them either.
>you apparently missed the news that Gamestop is going to start selling comics
A select few comics, at a select few locations. Keep in mind that GameStop itself is already dying and they've had to close many of their locations already.
No.1000885
>>1000881
Again, you're not seeing the big picture here. You still think DC is trying to sell Zoe Quinn's book, when that book is only bait to rile up the "comicsgate" fags into declaring war on them. To start an online fight for publicity. They could care less if the books actually sell so long as it does that job, which it will.
With that fight will come greater fucking awareness of what DC is currently doing. Ask a normie about Rebirth and they'll look at you like you have three heads. They know about Batman, but the goal is to get them reading Batman by showing them all the "exciting" shit going on in the book. Information that'll be brought to everyone's attention when there's an online "culture war" in comics which will spread to all corners of nerdom thanks to anti-sjw spergs like D&C and his fans.
'Zoe Quinn getting sales was never the goal. It was fags reaction to her getting a comic that was the goal. Their hate will spread DC's name far and wide, and we'll get articles, internet commentary, videos by old dead has-beens throwing in their two-cents. All of which shoving DC Comics to the forefront of millions of "nerds" minds. DC Comics. DC Comics.
Which is the entire plan. To get people thinking about DC Comics, which they hope to translate into people buying DC Comics.
No.1000892
DC really wants to one-up Marvel it seems.
No.1000893
>>1000885
Your belief is so unfathomably retarded that I honestly don't know where to begin…
No.1000897
>>1000892
MRSA really should have killed him.
No.1000899
>>1000885
Why do you think it's some complicated plot instead of just SJWs hiring other SJWs? Read Damore's lawsuit against Google for an example of them doing the same sort of thing in another company, it has screencaps of their internal forums. Comics aren't hiring SJWs because of some mastermind plot any more than Google is, it's just them taking over communities and institutions same as they always do.
https://www.scribd.com/document/368692388/James-Damore-Lawsuit
No.1000900
>>1000893
It all makes complete sense if you know anything about the comic book industry. It's exactly the kind of shit they'd pull to get people talking about them, and D&C is that much of a retard to do the work for them.
>>1000899
It's not a complicated plot. Hire some whore that triggers faggots then reap the rewards of free publicity. They've done it before, killing Superman, killing Stephanie Brown, killing Batman, raping Sue Dibney, The Joker cutting off his own face, Batman and Catwoman getting married, only now it's cheaper because they don't have to risk losing shop orders over the controversy.
DC and Marvel are all about sales gimmicks. The only difference now is that there's an army of fags ready to buy it hook, line, and sinker.
No.1000906
>>1000667
Yeah I was about to say, didn't he start it by posting a diatribe of her offenses online?
No.1000907
>>1000614
Don't forget the rural democrats who had been waiting for their party to help them for decades and only heard that they were going to close more industry in their sectors
No.1000908
>>1000552
I'm pretty sure they did a book exactly like this years ago
No.1000911
>>1000900
>It all makes complete sense if you know anything about the comic book industry.
I do know about the comic industry. My disbelief comes from the fact that you seem to know the comic industry, you seem to know that they've done this exact thing many times before and yet somehow you're trying to argue beyond all reason that it will somehow magically work this time when it didn't work the million other times they've tried it.
>only now it's cheaper because they don't have to risk losing shop orders over the controversy.
Where exactly do you think they're going to sell these Vertigo comics?
No.1000913
>>1000546
Good to see Zoe dating again, getting Back on the horse can be rough after a bad experience. And DC no less, she's moving up in the world.
No.1000914
>>1000900
>It all makes complete sense if you know anything about the comic book industry.
I do know about the comic industry, and I also know how the average person thinks and responds to shit like this. Most of them have their own problems and don't care about this shit. They especially don't care about this enough to delve into a medium they weren't already interested in. I see no reason or preexisting pattern to lead me to believe that people being pissed off over this will lead to normalfags becoming interested into comics. More people care about video games than comics, yet most people completely ignored GG drama when it was dragged into the mainstream media. Unless it effects their immediate situation, people will either ignore or gloss over and not retain information that's given to them. It's like if I hear about some drama in the football world, I'm not going to start paying attention to football all of a sudden. You're right in that the American comic industry is built on cheap gimmicks and schemes, but I don't think that's what's happening here.
This is the faggot that's in charge of Vertigo now. Look at him. Look at this 12 year old looking son of a bitch. He looks exactly like Lipschitz and every other simpering faggotron that fawns over Quinn and repeatedly invites her to Game Jams and other shit in the hopes of getting a handy-j from her sausage fingers. I think it's far more likely that this guy was one of her white knights, and is giving her work in the hopes of being the one millionth customer to enter that Five Guys. He also probably sees this as a way of sticking it to "muh nazis". I really don't think this is some convoluted ploy by DC to get people to pay attention to Batman and Catwoman's wedding or whatever they have going on. If by some act of grand idiocy and cluelessness it is? Well then I don't see any reason to worry and not laugh your ass off, because there's no chance that it would work.
>It's not a complicated plot. Hire some whore that triggers faggots then reap the rewards of free publicity.
This falls apart when you realize that most of that "publicity" is going to come from places like Newsarama, CBR, and Bleeding Cool covering it. The only people that pay attention to those are people that are already into comics. There's been plenty of articles in mainstream places about "sexist/racist" comics fans attacking women or minority creators. Why would people suddenly start paying attention now? If nerds being angry about something would cause normalfags to want to check it out, then Solo would have done Iron Man numbers.
No.1000915
>>1000911
Oh no, I never said it was going to work in the sense that they were going get new readers. I only explained the insane logic behind it and that it was rather crafty of DC to goad fags like D&C into doing their dirty work. It remains to be seen if this plot will bare the fruit they want.
And shops won't care. They'll still be getting the rebirth books, and the Vertigo shit will just be an add-on. As long as shops buy their other books, the costs of producing this crap is covered.
No.1000927
>>1000914
The thought that the average person might not give a shit about this didn't cross their mind. The plan is dirt cheap, consisting of only seven titles out of the 70+ titles they put out every month, and is low risk, as it puts none of their mainstream titles on the line. It doesn't even put their current readership in jeopardy since it's triggering fags who don't even care about comics in the first place.
It probably won't work, but DC's out nothing by trying. That's the reasoning behind this.
No.1000945
>>1000927
>point out the plan
>call it a 'brilliant plan'
>anons point out that it's not a brilliant plan
>anons point out that it's just the same old plan, repackaged
>'Oh I didn't say it was a brilliant plan'
No.1000953
>>1000945
The using of the burned out gamergate/ D&C fags to shill their books by hiring the whore that started the whole thing: Brilliant.
The using of a disposable imprint to publish these books, while keeping their main-line unaffected: Brilliant.
Thinking that this scheme will result in normies buying comics: ehhh iffy.
It's brilliant in the sense that Dick Dastardly is brilliant. Yeah, a car nose cone that extends from the end of the pack to across the finish line is a crafty way to win the race that makes sense in context, but it's questionable if that would actually succeed It didn't.
No.1000964
>hire some shit authors
>people publicly call it shit
>nobody buys it
>???
>Profit!
That's not a good plan, you dumb faggots.
There is such a thing as bad publicity, especially when the product is objectively shit. Even if this isn't going to bankrupt DC, there's zero chance these are going make back production costs. They're just pissing away money for the sole purpose of dragging their own brand name through the mud.
No.1000973
>>1000914
>>1000768
>Mark Doyle
So DC forced out Berger, a woman with experience and who helped make Vertigo successful, just to replace her with this cishet white male with less experience?
>>1000814
Well, DC was making mostly sensible decisions, by big two standards anyway, for at least two years. Seeing them to blow it all first by hiring Bendis and then by shitting up Vertigo is very jarring. I guess big two will absolutely never learn, and shit decisions and desperately chasing audiences are here to stay. Pretty ironic, since if DC did not support the comic code and turned comics into entertainment nearly exclusively for children, they would possibly become a legitimate art medium in the eyes of general public. Just as they are in countries that did not hop onto a moral hysteria bandwagon - like France, Italy, and Japan for example. Coincidentally, comic industry in those countries is not as much of a shitshow and books sell magnitudes better than they do in the U.S. in countries with populations magnitudes smaller.
>>1000692
>>1000568
DC put too much responsibility on Way's plate too quickly. Guy was just an intern at DC and wrote one good series. Other than that, he is a former musician with mental issues. He should just start out slow with Doom Patrol instead of curating a whole new imprint, writing a monthly, and co-writing three or four other books.
No.1000975
>>1000964
>there's zero chance these are going make back production costs. They're just pissing away money for the sole purpose of dragging their own brand name through the mud.
>implying they need to make back production cost
>implying their top selling mainline comics don't cover costs for the rest
>implying the people who'd get upset over this buy DC Comics
>implying DC cares about anyone's opinion of anyone who isn't a comic shop
Look, a newfag who didn't read the fucking thread.
No.1000977
>>1000973
>Seeing them to blow it all first by hiring Bendis and then by shitting up Vertigo is very jarring.
If you've been in comics long enough, them not fucking up is jarring. This? This is comforting. For a moment I was afraid they got their shit together.
No.1000993
>>1000548
Will the sequel be about Mohammad the prophet of Islam?
>>1000630
>>1000868
What about her master piece depression quest?
>>1000745
A new metal men series would be nice but who knows what direction it would take.
No.1001025
>>1000973
>So DC forced out Berger, a woman with experience and who helped make Vertigo successful, just to replace her with this cishet white male with less experience?
It's funny how often that seems to happen.
No.1001027
>>1000953
>The using of the burned out gamergate/ D&C fags to shill their books by hiring the whore that started the whole thing: Brilliant.
Except that getting the usual suspects to complain about their shitty books is hardly brilliant or even novel. It's been Marvel's MO for the best part of a decade now. If Glenn Beck, someone normal people might have heard of, reeing about black Spider-Man in 2011 didn't get people to buy the book, D&C, someone nobody gives a shit about, isn't going to either.
>The using of a disposable imprint to publish these books, while keeping their main-line unaffected: Brilliant
Except that, again, it's hardly novel. DC and Marvel have done something like this in the past. They give all the lesser titles like Prez or Hellcat to their Tumblr talent to shit up whilst they leave the main books relatively un-Tumblrised. The only real difference here is that they've given the Tumblr talent their own imprint to shit up instead of having them work on lesser capeshit titles.
Bottom line, this isn't some brilliant 4D chess move, it's the same old chess move and the same old losing strategy.
No.1001033
HookTube embed. Click on thumbnail to play.
This guy's an e-celeb faggot who cites "sources" so take what he says with a grain of salt, but it's food for thought, I guess. So Diane Nelson, head of DC Entertainment stepped down after a long hiatus and DC announces this new Vertigo at the same time. This guy's "insiders" tell him that the two happening at the same time is no coincidence. She was forced out after the failure of Justice League and this all new, all progressive Vertigo stuff is a smokescreen to distract from the fact that she was fired and replaced by men. I'm not sure how much I buy that, but I guess it's another wild theory to throw into the fray.
>>1001026
>I wonder if she still considers depression quest a "game".
Will Goddess Mode be to comics, what Depression Quest is to video games?
No.1001036
>>1001027
>D&C, someone nobody gives a shit about, isn't going to either
Glenn Beck didn't have an army of autists on social media just waiting for a chance to fight against comics. An army of autists especially angry because they think their leader has been conspired against by the comic book industry. Also Glenn Beck was on television, on a channel predominantly watched by old folks, while D&C virtually lives on twitter, which is where all the young people are.
Your hellcat comparison is inaccurate. A better example of using a disposable imprint would be Zuda or Minx. However, neither of them were deliberately retooled to piss off caustic internet ass-burgers.
What makes the whole thing diabolical is how they've updated those tactics. Instead of relying on killing heroes or line-wide changes to generate press, they're now looking to cause internet fights by hiring controversial figures and duping online assholes into spreading it, while utilizing the throw-away nature of imprints to protect their main source of revenue. DC has finally connected to the World Wide Web, and it's as loathsome as I imagined.
No.1001037
>>1001027
>If Glenn Beck, someone normal people might have heard of, reeing about black Spider-Man in 2011 didn't get people to buy the book, D&C, someone nobody gives a shit about, isn't going to either.
Keep in mind that American comic book 'professionals' have skewed perception of reality and D&C is somewhat prominent fixture in their lives. It is a sad state of things when a middle aged capefag with shit taste, 60k youtube subscribers, and a twitter account is enough to terrorize an entire industry.
No.1001043
>>1001033
>Diane Nelson forced out
That's been expected ever since Kevin Tsujihara became CEO of Warner in 2013. Nelson was the lackey of Jeff Robinov, a supporter of Tsujihara's rivial, Bruce Rosenblum. Her primary job was to undermine Tsujihara's influence on DC, from bringing in Didio to forcing out Tsujihara aligned Paul Levitz. However, when Rosenblum lost the CEO fight to Tsujihara, she was stuck with a disaster of a company filled with incompetent boot-lickers and a complete retard like Johns as chief creative officer.
So if Nelson is leaving, that means Dildo might not be too far behind.
No.1001045
>>1001043
I fear that may be wishful thinking. In any case, better the devil you know
No.1001059
>>1000908
Interestingly enough, Incognegro got a new edition from Dark Horse under its Berger Books imprint. Plus, there's a prequel miniseries currently on its 4th issue and a sequel set in the 60's apparently on the way.
No.1001060
>>1001036
It's not diabolical. It's just idiotic.
There won't be "internet fights", there will just be (((journalists))) who give all these issues a 9/10, while the average user score will hover around a 2/10, like with happened with America Chavez.
No.1001069
>>1001060
>there won't be any internet fights
>>1000674
No.1001108
>>1001069
And who disagrees with D&C on this issue?
If it's nobody but the creators vs. comic readers, that's not a fight as much as it is a failure.
No.1001117
>>1001108
It's not about disagreeing, it's about D&C and his fanboys not being able to resist bait.
No.1001129
>>1001117
I fail to see how it's bait.
These titles do not sound good.
If it's DC's intention to actively produce comics that don't sound good, then they're just a real life version of the "haha I was just pretending to be retarded", which still won't translate into sales.
No.1001133
>>1000973
>>1001025
>So DC forced out Berger, a woman with experience and who helped make Vertigo successful, just to replace her with this cishet white male with less experience?
Its always self-hating white trash or stupid chicanos like Gabby Riveira that never even visited Mexico or know a lick of Spanish. Its always the same privileged shits.
No.1001135
>>1000611
>I am a gamer because I hate women and minorities
>Persian
>Arab
>Native American
No.1001152
>>1001046
If you think Didio's an idiot, just imagine who they'll hire in his place
No.1001157
>>1001129
I think anon is seriously one of those people who think GG had more scope and impact than it actually did
No.1001159
>>1001157
What do you mean?
No.1001173
>>1001159
I guess that he thinks GG was anything other than a great mass triggering or that this triggering ever translated into what I call 'ticket sales' for the SJWs.
No.1001241
>>1000841
A lactation fetish doujin?
No.1001243
>>1001129
<I fail to see how it's bait.
>DC hires the woman who's actions basically started gamergate
>D&C and his fans are retarded gamergate refuse who look for any opportunity to attack the comic book industry
<I fail to see how it's bait
At this point you're being intentionally obtuse, but that's ok. You'll find out when the time comes.
No.1001244
>>1001173
>for the SJWs
There's that line of thinking again, that you think this shit is for the SJWs or to support the SJWs, or that it's in service to Zoe Quinn's book.
It's almost like the idea that this is purely for publicity is beyond your comprehension. That you need to rationalize it with your specific worldview because the alternative is inconceivable.
No.1001245
>>1001133
>Magical Girl
Sailor Moon was a mistake.
No.1001249
I feel an industry crash incoming!
No.1001251
>>1001250
We are almost within the end of the decade so…..
No.1001252
>>1001245
It's true if you google "cyberpunk magical girl" a photo of her will come up. You know why? Because she made multiple tweets with that exact phrase on it, with pictures of herself attached years ago. No one is talking about her in those terms but herself, because she's an insane narcissist.
No.1001253
>>1001243
Why do you believe they need bait? Have they ever once had to show or otherwise prove they were being harassed? Or has it been that they make flamboyant twitter statements that are treated as gospel by a bunch of 'news' sites while their own instigating/unethical/illegal actions are sandbagged and only known about by small groups that follow this?
Yes, they did this entirely to
A) Cover up a high level firing for the movie sides fuck up.
B) Generate 'buzz' with controversy
but neither of those things matter. It's bad publicity that's only being chased by dinosaurs that still believe there is no such thing as bad press. The same idea that decades ago gave us the 'controversy sells' mindset before comic sales plummeted.
If they think hiring a 'controversial figure' to write a book is somehow going to generate book buying buzz, I'd like to know what fucked up combination of anti-depressants and hormone therapy they're on. Literally Who is backed by literally nobody, and anyone who even googles her isn't going to see any reason to buy something made by her.
>>1001249
Unlikely if the Gamestop comic deal is true. They'll pump the numbers of issues by dumping them into those stores because of a high level decision makers ideology.
No.1001255
>>1001245
It's always sailor moon with them, isn't it? Pretty Cure is superior.
No.1001259
>>1001243
Yes. And it makes DC look bad. Pic related is literally your argument.
No.1001265
>>1001253
>>1001259
>bad publicity that makes DC look bad
All DC did was hire some woman to write a book. It was the internet assholes that started attacking her and DC's product.
And that's how it's going to look. DC knows Zoe Quinn's reputation and we know her reputation, but the vast majority of internet users don't. They also know that her reputation is bad enough among some that they will have to screech what a whore she is all over social media. Since most people don't consider calling a woman a whore in public to be socially acceptable, they'll push back, further triggering those idiots, and a fight will ensue. A fight which will plaster DC's name all over the place.
That is why the whole thing is bait. They're trolling fags for a reaction and they're going to get it.
No.1001271
>>1001265
The fans will be called horrible regardless, that is a 100% outcome regardless of what happens. If anyone, anywhere, ever, says anything that someone could just infer is not flattering to her, it will be presented as harassment. If nobody sends her a thing, then she or someone on her behalf with either lie or fabricate evidence just like during GG. Them using controversy is something that is going to happen. Our behavior has 0 affect on this outcome. Though, I suppose your definition of it as 'bait' is true. I just don't believe it matters in the traditional sense.
However, there is one flaw in their logic that will doom them. Zoe Quinn's exploits are known to us. With years worth of verifiable evidence of her defrauding organizations she has been involved with, collusion for self gain, lying, sex for favors as well as admission of rape (by her definition but still her ADMITTING it). So, we wait for the articles defending her from 'attacks' and asking us to 'give her a chance' then go after her supporters for defending a self admitted rapist, then follow that sensationalist yet true headline with the hard facts of her shitty behavior. As usual the mainstream sites will either clam up or offer as much spin as they can muster, but once again that was going to happen anyways. Anyone who cares will follow up on the information and find out what a horrible person Zoe is and understand that DC is a disgusting company for hiring her. Random people who didn't care before, won't care after.
No.1001273
>>1000768
>>1000973
Men would cuck out more than women, mainly because males don't want to appear discriminatory for rejecting a shit comic.
No.1001274
>>1001267
The Big Two see the lack of sales as an advertising problem. Comics are niche and sold mostly in specialty shops, so it's their belief that if the public were made more aware of the comics they were offering (DC Rebirth, the new imprints, etc.), sales will follow.
However, as crafty as their plan to generate publicity is, there's an obvious, glaring flaw in their scheme. At no point did they consider that the books they are publishing might be shit, which would make their entire plot meaningless since they'd never be able to retain the new readership.
Which seems to be a running theme with Big Two shenanigans. They come up with all these cunning business ideas, but they never seem to consider basics.
No.1001275
>>1001255
And it's worse because they didn't learn a damn thing from Sailor Moon. It has everything their work lacks. Both the manga and original anime are very aesthetically pleasing, with heavy focus on traditional feminine beauty. It also features characters with flaws that they have to overcome, who mature over time. It also has story lines where the action has stakes and the characters struggle. Most funny of all though, is that SM is famous for most of the cast putting a high value on being pretty, and having the goals of "I want to get married, have a family, and be a loving wife." The Sailor senshi are the opposite of the cunts they inspired.
>>1001265
>All DC did was hire some woman to write a book
No, they relaunched Vertigo with titles that look almost universally horrible, and people are reacting negatively to it. Just like they did when they launched New 52 and people reacted negatively to that because they were all shitty. The only difference now is that they have a scapegoat to say "It's only those loud gamergate nazis that are mad!" It's essentially trying to pull a Ghostbusters 2016 again.
No.1001279
>>1001255
The worst part is that they don't even give a shit about Sailor Moon short of the outfits and the gay shit. Damn straight.
No.1001281
>>1001271
First, lets just drop the whole idea that nobody will send her a thing. D&C fans on their own are stupid and bellicose, so it's going to happen. It's just a matter of time.
Second, the fans aren't targeted by this. Since the mainline titles are unaffected by Zoe Quinn's hiring, the fans that buy DC shit every month won't care. They're still going to get their fix, so they're not going to be the ones bitching on twitter about that some whore got an imprint book.
See, there's only one kind of people who would bitch about it, and it's the combative lot I mentioned before. Instead of bitching about it on Vietnamese sexy shadow puppet forums, like intelligent faggots like us, they're going to go to social media to decry as some sort of crime and get into fights DC fans and staff over it. Those fights will spread, carrying DC's disease to every single fag on twitter, tumblr, youtube, etc.
However, the flaw in their logic isn't Zoe Quinn's reputation, but their failure to cover the basics, like ensuring their product isn't shit.
>>1001275
>No, they relaunched Vertigo with titles that look almost universally horrible, and people are reacting negatively to it.
Yeah, but the people who are going to be reacting the loudest are fags that are nearly universally despised by comic fans, comic shops, and the comic industry itself, and will more than likely make it about Zoe Quinn. Faggots that are going to drown out any legitimate criticism with their constant REEEEEEEEs.
No.1001282
>>1001275
It has dykes though.
No.1001283
>>1001255
>>1001279
Fuck both of you.Metal Fighter Miku
No.1001285
>>1001281
But hold up, won't that just result in people hearing Vertigo being shit and the people who don't already buy DC just continuing to not buy DC? Anyone who would associate the name Vertigo with DC is close enough to know what is happening, anyone far enough away won't suddenly want to buy DC comics because they heard Vertigo is shit. Ultimately doesn't this put them in a catch 22 where if they link Vertigo with DC very publicly then people will look down on DC and if they distance them then nobody is going to even care?
Don't get me wrong, I think you've legitimately laid out their plan to a T, I just think their plan is increasingly stupid.
No.1001294
>>1001285
Consider the source of who's going to be doing most of the shit-calling: autistic, threatening alt-right assholes on the internet who've harassed comic shops and bullied comic professionals. They're not going to be seen as very trust-worthy, especially when some of the allegations against them can be proven to be true. All people are going to hear is that trolls attacked DC comics for giving a "victim" a book, the trolls will fight back, and it'll all spiral from there.
DC basically has a perfect bunch of dupes to paint as bad-guys.
No.1001295
>>1001293
It's what attracts SJWs like Quinn and Sugar in the first place. There's a reason why they all claim inspiration from it.
No.1001300
>>1001294
>autistic, threatening alt-right assholes on the internet who've harassed comic shops and bullied comic professionals
>>>/leftypol/
No.1001301
>>1001294
Well yeah, that's kind of my point. They are going to be called these horrible things regardless of action. Like how the news came out about the comic shop being 'targeted' only for the investigation starting to show that they did it to themselves going mysteriously silent all of a sudden.
But when a company hires a proven fraud and self admitted rapist then at the very least everyone looks bad instead of just comic fans.
No.1001302
>>1001253
>Unlikely if the Gamestop comic deal is true.
I seriously doubt that GameStop selling comics at twenty of their 6000 stores is really going to make any difference to the industry
No.1001304
>>1001302
Are those the numbers? Good. I thought it was going to be every store, and some jacked up number at each so the comics industry could pretend to be relevant again.
No.1001305
>>1001296
I've come to realize that romanticizing them like Sailor Moon did is bad. I get that it wasn't the author's intent to create a clique of histrionic and manipulative SJWs who blacklist others, but it unintentionally did.
No.1001308
>>1001301
>Like how the news came out about the comic shop being 'targeted' only for the investigation starting to show that they did it to themselves going mysteriously silent all of a sudden.
You mean Variant Edition? The shop that got robbed the night after they said they weren't going to stock it? Yeah, I'm not finding shit about how they "faked it", not even from that comicsgate rag Bounding Into Comics, and I know from digging around that they did file a police report.
Here's the thing that I think you're not getting: D&C fags aren't going to be seen as comic fans, nor portrayed as such. They're going to be portrayed for what they are: autistic trolls. They're going to find few allies in the ranks of the comic fans that actually buy DC shit and those fans will be incredibly quick to distance themselves from them. D&C fags won't be able to hide under the banner of "comic fans".
By the way, thanks for reminding me just how successful DC's plan to trigger D&C fags with Zoe Quinn is going to be. Just going through the articles Variant Edition's local newspaper, I found the comments section flooded with them basically denying reality, calling everything lies. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a horde of those fuckers, so any doubt that they'd wise up is just cleared up there.
No.1001309
>>1001281
>>1001294
It is still a laughably silly plan. The bigger the company gets, the less likely people running it are to self-reflect and assume responsibility. Whoever decided to squander still reputable imprint for this must be really out of touch. Rehashing old Vertigo titles would be a much better strategy in the long run.
>>1001304
>>1001302
They do have to start somewhere, and putting a comic in every store without testing the concept would be far too risky. If comic sales will be good in these 20 locations, more and more stores will be added. Large service and retail corporation do this with nearly every new concept.
No.1001313
>>1001309
>Whoever decided to squander still reputable imprint for this must be really out of touch.
>Vertigo
>still reputable
Vertigo stopped being reputable the moment Warner execs learned that they owned none of the rights to creations under Vertigo and promptly imposed restrictions that killed the whole "creator owned" aspect of the imprint.
No.1001314
>>1001313
I'm pretty sure the imprint was never creator owned, at least not in it's heyday. Creators got to exercise greater creative freedom than standard DC comics but they never totally owned their creations.
No.1001315
>>1001309
>If comic sales will be good in these 20 locations
They won't be, though.
Jim Shooter said (and he should know, he used to run Marvel) that you could put comics in every coffee shop and McDonald's in the country, it won't make any difference if the end product is still shit. DC and Marvel are still making the same old shit and just because it's in GameStop doesn't mean people will now want to buy it.
No.1001316
>>1001314
>I'm pretty sure the imprint was never creator owned
A lot of creators involved had media rights.
No.1001317
>>1001308
You keep going on about how this is all some "brilliant" master scheme that needs to be treated with the upmost of urgency, but have provided no evidence to prove your point. You haven't even been very clear about your reasoning on WHY you think there's legitimacy to your claims. You're just kind of smashing random puzzle pieces together and telling everyone that you're positive the image is of a sailboat instead of a family of ducks and that no one else but you is seeing the big picture.
>>1001315
Their current page to price ratio isn't helping matters either. I can see trades and manga doing okay in Gamestop, but not floppies. Honestly, if anyone should be trying to get into game stores, it should be Udon. It always seemed silly to me that Gamestop didn't sell Street Fighter (or even Sonic) comics.
No.1001322
>>1001294
>Consider the source of who's going to be doing most of the shit-calling
Zoe Quinn under sockpuppet accounts.
But "journalists" won't give a shit about how obvious it is, they'll just roll with it anway. The idea that the two most beta hobbies, video games and comics, are filled with these testosterone enraged alpha male raping machines is the most bizarre bullshit I've ever heard spun. Half the people on that board would just look down and mumble if a girl tried talking to them at an LCS.
No.1001325
>>1001281
>Second, the fans aren't targeted by this. Since the mainline titles are unaffected by Zoe Quinn's hiring, the fans that buy DC shit every month won't care.
But that's wrong. There were a couple of Marvel titles I used to make an effort to pick up, but I'm never buying any Marvel comic ever again after they went total SJW in their other titles. People would laugh at some chracter being replaced by some dumb "diversity" version, until it happened to their favorite character, until nobody was laughing anymore, and Marvel comics is just embarrassing.
I don't know if DC will go down that path, but if this the start of trend, then I guess Im sticking with Image, Dark Horse, and webcomicss.
No.1001333
>>1000546
>DC creating a gamergate and comicsgate crossover by hiring Quinn
Knowing Quinn's work ethic, this book will probably be plagued by severe delays. She can't even adhere to her self-imposed deadlines, so seeing her attempt writing a monthly comic book will be interesting. I suspect that this comic will never actually come out, just like Marvel's All New All Different Blade.
No.1001335
>>1001333
>I suspect that this comic will never actually come out, just like Marvel's All New All Different Blade.
Well, they've solicited it which means the first issue is likely to come out.
As for All New All Different Blade, I suspect that didn't come out because someone at Marvel (someone with some sense apparently) decided it sounded like utter bollocks
No.1001342
>>1001308
Yes, the Variant Edition that accused comic book fans of harassment over a broken window and some loose change in the register missing, when the area had already seen other break ins at other comic shops recently. The same Variant Edition that contacted the media before the police were in any way able to investigate in order to lay blame at people they didn't like.
No.1001365
>>1001333
>Knowing Quinn's work ethic, this book will probably be plagued by severe delays.
I still remember somebody posting tweets about how she decided to become a lady wrestling because she's "tough and badass". She dropped out of wrestling school like three days later because she didn't expect it to be hard work.
>>1001335
>As for All New All Different Blade, I suspect that didn't come out because someone at Marvel (someone with some sense apparently) decided it sounded like utter bollocks
As opposed to everything else they've put out? I very well might be getting it mixed up with something else, but I think I remember there being some kind of an uproar because it was being written by a white dude (Tim Seeley I think?) and not a black chick, so he quietly stepped down from the book.
No.1001373
>>1001365
>She dropped out of wrestling school like three days later because she didn't expect it to be hard work.
That sounds incredibly tame for her standards. I would have expected her to cry rape at her instructor, open a Kickstarter to raise money for her legal fund, and then run off with the money.
>uproar because it was being written by a white dude (Tim Seeley I think?) and not a black chick, so he quietly stepped down from the book.
I'm offended that it wasn't written by a daywalker that hunts vampires. SJWs were a mistake.
No.1001382
>>1001274
>The Big Two see the lack of sales as an advertising problem.
Even normalfags don't need to be reminded that Superman, Batman, Spiderman, Ironman, etc are from comic books. Do you know what be a better plan? Making comics that people want to read.
No.1001409
>>1001393
Of course. It would be easy. They could actually try bringing in new talent, going through people's portfolios, hear their story idea pitches, etc.
Of course, this is never going to happen. The incestuous clusterfuck of comic writers isn't going anywhere, and any new people to join will just be talentless hacks who suck a mean dick to work on an irrelevant side project.
No.1001410
>>1001274
>. At no point did they consider that the books they are publishing might be shit, which would make their entire plot meaningless since they'd never be able to retain the new readership.
This has always been a fascinating thing to me. They'll spend months, years sometimes, investing massive sums of money, building offices, arranging business deals, producing ad campaigns and press releases, sending out promotional material, arranging work and release schedules, setting up shipping dates and doing the work necessary to ensure that the books will be printed, packed, and shipped on time… but at no point do they ever stop to ensure that they are creating a quality product that will sell on the merits of its enjoyability and appeal to potential customers, who will no doubt hear about the product, as they have invested more in advertising than they did in the product itself.
It would be hilarious if it was just comics doing this shit, but it's damned near everything that has this problem, and yet the dumb shits still sit there wondering "Why are newspapers/TV shows/Movies/Musics/Comics dying?"
No.1001412
>>1001410
It's the "mobile games system". You spend hundreds of thousands of dollars producing an advertisement for the game, that looks absolutely nothing like the game, and then release literally Pong. Except you call it some shit like "PADDLE BOARD: EXTREME ATTACK", throw in ads every five seconds, and ask the player if they want to share on social media every time they score a point.
No.1001433
>>1001410
>but at no point do they ever stop to ensure that they are creating a quality product that will sell on the merits of its enjoyability and appeal to potential customers, who will no doubt hear about the product, as they have invested more in advertising than they did in the product itself.
That's because you can't just simply quantify 'quality' of a comic, movie, art, etc. like you can easily do with demographics, marketing data, costs, and so on. Most people making decisions at those companies do not know shit about their product, are out of touch with fans and the average people in general, and most often both. That's why focus groups exist - too bad that they are often stuffed with exec's and managers relatives, acquaintances, and random morons.
To my knowledge, comics are not focus group tested, so publishers rely on the judgement of people working at the company. Too bad that these people are either aging, out of touch hacks who were popular creators in the 90s, or coastal hipsters who are obsessed with their politics and somehow even more out of touch than the oldfags. Due to rampant cronyism in comics, it is extremely rare for anyone who does not fit into either of these groups to get hired.
Because of that, finding good American comics is tough, and getting anything good out of big two is a borderline miracle. This leads to industry's stagnation.
>>1001414
Big two know that if they do not mess with the basic formula of their big sellers, they will keep selling well enough. As long as capefags buying floppies are sill alive that is. Other than that, both marvel and DC can be bailed out by the mega corporation that own both publishers. When it comes to smaller publishers, most of them have their own niche that allows them to stay afloat. Although, monthlies do not sell too well, and most profits manifest only when TPBs are released.
No.1001435
>>1001433
I realize the the Immortal Emperor of the Mickey Mouse Empire doesn't give a shit about comics, but at some point down the beurocratic line… why isn't there anyone who gives a shit about making good comics? That at least has some minor clue about what's fresh and interesting, and what belongs in the trash?
How does someone like Gabby Riviera get hired? Who heard her idea of what can't even pass as a story, and said "Yes, we should make this." How many people read that utterly awful dialogue and went "Holy menstruation, this is good!"
You could argue "they don't give a shit, that's just a fringe comic", but then why pay an entire staff to make it in the first place? And what about their more central books, like X-Men Red? Downsyndrome looking Jean runs around literally mindraping everyone the entire issue, complete with some unironic moral high ground speech about how you're a bigot if you dislike mutants. I don't know how many people read through the script before greenlighting it, but apparently not a single person gave enough of a shit to say "But what if Jean mindraping everyone the entire issue is the reason they don't like mutants?"
How does this stuff pass?
No.1001450
>>1001365
>I very well might be getting it mixed up with something else, but I think I remember there being some kind of an uproar because it was being written by a white dude (Tim Seeley I think?) and not a black chick
Upon further research I've discovered that is indeed correct. The writer cucked himself out of writing it. It is exactly like Christopher Priest said, they're not hiring writers, they're casting them.
No.1001451
>>1001434
There's a massive chance of a comic book crash. Yes, Marvel and DC will never fold outright but even the higher ups in the parent companies have started saying 'Why are we publishing this nonsense?' I think New 52 was supposed to be DC's last chance to get the sales up otherwise they'd go into reprints and there's a real danger that the Big Two could eventually go into reprints altogether. When that happens, most of the indies are either going to change their business model or fold altogether. So, a comic book crash is infinitely more likely than a Video Game or Film Industry crash
No.1001453
>>1001451
Oh no.
Good thing there's thousands of webcomicss better than what the big two have been shitting out.
No.1001505
>>1001435
>I realize the the Immortal Emperor of the Mickey Mouse Empire doesn't give a shit about comics, but at some point down the beurocratic line… why isn't there anyone who gives a shit about making good comics?
The funny thing is that there is, but they just don't care about Marvel. I've heard multiple times from creators that comics using proper Disney properties are subject to quality control from the mouse. So someone out there is concerned with making sure that Donald Duck, Uncle Scrooge, and Mickey Mouse comics are up to a certain standard and are treated with respect. I guess this is why IDW has been a loose canon with most of their licensed properties, but their Disney books have been largely above average, with a heavy focus on translating the celebrated European comics. I think we might eventually see a point where Marvel comics is seen as more trouble than they're worth so they close it and the comics are licensed out to other companies, like the Disney ones. Kind of like how when they bought Lucasfilm and chose to not continue with Lucasarts and instead license the Lucas games out to EA and other companies. Marvel as a brand that they can make movies out of and slap on a T-shirt is much more important to Disney than Marvel as a comics company.
No.1001538
>>1001435
>but at some point down the beurocratic line… why isn't there anyone who gives a shit about making good comics?
Marvel is just a company that Disney owns. It has autonomy and exists in its own bubble within Disney. Mouse's bureaucratic machine only goes so far down before it reaches Ike Perlumtter. Everyone under Ike are Marvel people, most of who are incompetent and/or driven by their ideology. Ike is a petty guy who does not take interferences and disagreement well - his alleged temper tantrums over creative disagreements are supposedly responsible for Marvel Studios' breaking off of the comic book division. Even If there is someone in Disney who cares about quality of the books, they probably think that starting shit with Ike is not worth it.
Sooner or latter one of the auditors or accountants will point out that Marvel is slacking, and then heads might roll. Permutter is getting old as well. Once he retires, Disney will probably put its pick in Ike's place. Thing will probably change then.
>And what about their more central books, like X-Men Red?
Honestly, X-Men books were very rarely of decent quality. Most X-Men stories are just soap operas with capeshit, scifi, and heavy handed allegory thrown in. Many characters are frequently written as Mary Sues or gimmicks, which only makes matters worse. X-Men being shit and Jean Gray or Kitty Pryde rarely facing consequences consequences is just par of the course.
No.1001549
>>1001435
>How does someone like Gabby Riviera get hired? Who heard her idea of what can't even pass as a story, and said "Yes, we should make this." How many people read that utterly awful dialogue and went "Holy menstruation, this is good!"
Christopher Priest actually explained what Marvel's hiring processes were. He complained that Editors were "casting writers", as in hiring them based on their skin-tone, sexuality, gender, ect., factors other than their ability. However, before you fags start flipping out, it actually wasn't because of some affirmative action shit.
Marvel came to think, from the complaints of social media, that if a character is __, then they should be written by a ____. Gabby Rivera is a great example of this. She didn't create America Chavez, Joe Casey and Nick Dragotta did, but since the character is a Hispanic lesbian, Marvel hired a Hispanic lesbian to write her. Rivera fit the bill since she was vocal about her sexuality, saving Marvel the hassle of asking potential candidates if they were fags and avoiding a potential discrimination lawsuit.
No.1001570
>>1001549
I'm almost finding it hard to believe they could be that stupid. "Race" is the absolute least interesting aspect of any Marvel character, and America isn't even Hispanic. Its even more odd considering these types of people claim race doesn't exist.
No.1001622
>>1001570
Continuity is something foreign to these people.
No.1001785
>>1001570
>I'm almost finding it hard to believe they could be that stupid.
Believe it. The executives of these companies are fucking the entire industry.
No.1001786
>>1001785
>they wanted to appeal to tumblr
>they completely fucked up appealing to tumblr
The Big Two can't succeed at anything if they put their minds to it.
No.1001797
>>1001549
>However, before you fags start flipping out, it actually wasn't because of some affirmative action shit.
Are you dumb enough to think that pushing all the white male characters to the sidelines was some kind of a coincidence? The reason why shit like America was made in the first place was to provide a post-hoc rationalization for diversity hires.
No.1001803
>>1001797
Go outside and get some air, you paranoid tard.
No.1001881
>>1001803
It's not a conspiracy when it already happened.
No.1001887
>>1001881
No, it was explained what actually happened, but it was rejected because "muh conspiracy". It's like you need everything to be about sjws for your brain to work.
I mean, really, did you ever stop to think what a massive benefit such a conspiracy would be to us? Marvel would never can abysmally selling titles. They'd be constantly doubling down in the name of politics as comic shops go bankrupt due to the loss of half their revenue stream. The entire comic book industry would collapse as a result.
That's why you're a shitty conspirtard. A fucking sjw conspiracy in comics would be the best fucking thing to come along in years, but it doesn't fucking exist, and we continue to live in this Big Two hellhole.
No.1002283
>>1001887
Things like Marvel relaunching SJW catering series that already failed and were cancelled certainly does not help your arguments. Gay Iceman and Unreadable Wasp are getting new titles again. It also looks like the Howling Commandos will be back, but this time as GotG.
You also seem to think that it is all or nothing. DC and Marvel obviously need to make money, and that will always take precedence over agenda when push comes to shove. Still, Marvel and DC push the SJW crap, as much as they can when they have an opportunity. As soon as the sales dip, they are trimming what they must and go back to status quo. Until they can push bullshit again.
Look at DC - thanks to Rebirth and Metal, company's sales recovered from New52 and DC-U blunders. What do they choose to do next? They are making SJW push all over, but this time cancer is mostly limited to Vertigo, Ink, and Zoom imprints.
No.1002287
>>1002283
>and that will always take precedence over agenda when push comes to shove
Now you're moving the goal-posts. First it was claimed that they were agenda over profits, but now that Marvel is cutting back, suddenly it's "agenda, but only sometimes". You needless complicate things by trying to fit a conspiracy in there when all of my experience in comics tells me that they're just stupid.
For example, the Wasp relaunch? Marvel's being stupid thinking a good artist will save an abysmal writer. The new Vertigo titles? DC's being stupid thinking that a controversy will bring in sales or are stupid for conflating the ranting of twitter skags with the desires of young adults.
Really, comic companies are stupid. There was a time where DC believed that putting gorillas on covers and slapping on mod checks increased sales. Marvel managed to crash the entire industry by thinking it could monopolize all comic distribution in the United States with a single regional distributor. That's the people we're dealing with here, so it's absolutely no surprise that they've made those decisions.
No.1002288
>>1001335
>As for All New All Different Blade, I suspect that didn't come out because someone at Marvel (someone with some sense apparently) decided it sounded like utter bollocks
It didn't come out because twitter accused the white writer of being racist for writing a black character and he left the book.
No.1007762
Belated-ish happy birthday Ramon Villalobos, artist of the ongoing series Border Town.
No.1008127
>>1001887
You act like this isn't currently happening.
No.1009018
DC VERTIGO ANNOUNCES WORLD WAR II OGN "SIX DAYS"
>June 6, 1944. D-Day. One hundred and eighty-two paratroopers from the United States Army parachuted into the French countryside a full 15 miles southeast of their intended target and deep behind enemy lines. This original graphic novel from DC Vertigo is based on the true story of the village of Graignes, France, and how a devastating war and unlikely circumstances brought these American soldiers and French villagers together.
>SIX DAYS is about the brutality of war and the triumph of the human spirit so rarely brought to comics form. Writer Robert Venditti (HAWKMAN and The New York Times bestseller The Surrogates), whose uncle fought in the Battle of Graignes, partners with award-winning journalist and nonfiction author Kevin Maurer (#1 The New York Times bestseller No Easy Day: The Firsthand Account of the Mission That Killed Osama Bin Laden), to bring this incredible story to life. Featuring art by Italian comic book artist Andrea Mutti (THE GIRL WITH THE DRAGON TATTOO), SIX DAYS will arrive May 14, 2019, ahead of the 75th anniversary of D-Day.
>“This is a deeply personal project,” says Venditti. “My uncle fought in the Battle of Graignes and appears as a key character in the book. For over seventy years, my family didn’t know what happened to him. Then I discovered a letter written to my great-grandmother by one of Uncle Tommy’s war buddies, and this remarkable story of heroism and community was revealed. For my family, Uncle Tommy, and all the soldiers and villagers who took part in the important events at Graignes, I wanted this story to be told.”
>“While what happened in the village of Graignes is not incredibly well-known, the fact that Rob’s uncle fought in the battle drew me to it,” Maurer said. “After doing some research, I couldn’t help but be engrossed by the humanity of this story. From the paratroopers to the villagers, this is story of bravery and duty in the face of overwhelming peril.”
>“As it was based on real events, SIX DAYS was a unique experience for me,” said Mutti. “While visiting the town in which this story took place, I couldn’t help but be inspired by the bravery of the soldiers and the villagers who faced such incredible odds—and faced them together.”
>In the worst mis-drop of the D-Day campaign, a group of soldiers are rattled to the core when they find themselves lost in a small village in France with the enemy lurking near. Miraculously, the citizens of Graignes vote to feed and shelter the soldiers, knowing that the decision would bring them terrible punishment if their efforts were discovered by the Germans. This is the story of what happened during the next six days, ending in a battle that altered the course of the D-Day campaign.
No.1017254
>>1001283
Metal FIghter Miku is hot
No.1017255
THE FUCK IS THAT SELF-INSERT SHIT?
Page by Ramon "I don't want white people in FEMA camps" Villalobos
No.1017338
Jesus. This all sound horrible aside from >>1000550 I bet they're all going to be turned into movies too.
No.1022946
GODDESS MODE IS ONGOING — ON SALE DECEMBER 12!
With variant covers by Stjepan Sejic!
No.1023117
>>1000542
>From the corners of television, games, music, activism, podcasting, comics and more, all of our creators are passionate and have something to say.
That says it all, doesn't it?
No.1027740
>>1000546
Did Robbi Rodriguez get busted from DC for posting pictures of his butthole to his haters?
No.1027742
FYI, that NYCC Vertigo panel is a whole bunch of fucking nothing, but top kek:
>Zoë Quinn was up next on Goddess Mode with art by Robbi Rodriguez and Rico Renzi. Quinn chose to work on comics because of the speed work can be produced (in comparison to games!). She enjoyed communicating with a more linear form of storytelling compared to other media. The characters are watching how technology is destroying the world and being used to hurt the innocent people of the world. The main characters are “total disasters.” Her favorite characters in fiction are messes – for example Harley Quinn – so she’s enjoying the chance to write one.
No.1027754
>>1001365
>she decided to become a lady wrestling because she's "tough and badass"
I've seen her reference being tough and/or muscular multiple times. It's some next-level delusion, she's just fat.
No.1027757
>>1027740
Nope. He's still working at DC.
I think comicsgate has reached a point where comic companies just don't give a shit about them.
No.1027758
>>1027754
Quinn's lost a lot of weight, just sayin'.
No.1027763
>>1027740
Looks like he could really use that basket of anal care products that Cho sent him.
No.1027764
>>1027758
She got lipo and a boob job. she was at her thinnest and flat chested in the suicide girls shoot. her suddenly being a D cup dont make sense
No.1027765
>>1000858
>selling your body is legal
>but buying the body of someone is illegal
I would expect this shit law in pizza country not fucking Sweden… who even thought this up?
No.1027772
>>1027758
It's more the absolute lack of muscle definition I was thinking of.
I try not to think of her at all if i can help it.
No.1039835
>>1000544
Just a note, that this book has been canned because the autor Eric Esquivel, has been #metoo'd
No.1039847
>>1027765
Feminists who wanted to give hos the power to hold their clients hostage
No.1039849
>>1027742
>Quinn chose to work on comics because of the speed work can be produced (in comparison to games!).
Like her Patreon Scam, where she produced nothing? Or the Chuck Tingle FMV game that will never ever come out at all and how all the goons and Califreakfornians and Sunken Justice Seattlites that backed that shit will never get those 10$ back? Hhhhhhmmmmm?
>Her favorite characters in fiction are messes – for example Harley Quinn – so she’s enjoying the chance to write one.
<Fucking SA narcissistic goon with BPD projects herself as a fucked up psycho runs trains into a series of abusive relationships.
Yeah that sounds about right.
No.1040827
>>1039835
Oh shit. He got metoo'd. What happened? Did he compliment someone in his circle?
No.1041671
Full solicits for the first issue of Second Coming:
>Witness the return of Jesus Christ, as He is sent on a most holy mission by God to learn what it takes to be the true messiah of mankind by becoming roommates with the world’s favorite savior: the all-powerful super hero Sun-Man, the Last Son of Krispex! But when Christ returns to Earth, he’s shocked to discover what has become of his gospel—and now, he aims to set the record straight.
>ON SALE 03.06.19
High Level #1 will be on sale February 20, 2019.
SAFE SEX is seemingly MIA in light of recent events.
No.1041691