/christianity/ - Christian Theology

Judaizers

>>931

What is be a judaizer to you?

>>932

One who judaizes

>>933

It just works.

Cult, honestly Ellen White bad.

Adventism is based on false prophecy and we should view them exactly as Mormons.

>>932

Keeping practices to earn salvation

>>935

>we should view them exactly as Mormons

Mormons believe there are billions of gods, so not really

>>934

Sorry anon, but SDAs ARE judaizers, because they insist on the sabbath of the old law rather than the Christian sabbath.

>>949

And the Christian sabbath is…?

>implying that the old law doesn't apply to the actual cristianity

>>938

That is not a dogma of Adventists, they believe in justification by faith like all common Protestants. Those who believe that with their own actions they can be saved are the Historical Adventists, who are a sect.

>>956

That's good to hear

What's the gospel according to an SDA source?

>>957

>We are still left with the question – exactly what is the gospel? Paul gives us the gospel in its simplest form in 2 Corinthians 2:1,2. “And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God. For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.” It seems to me that above all else, that statementis the gospel. Christ came, died, and rose again to win us back to Himself. We have the potential to be reconciled with the Creator because of the Creator’s sacrifice.

https://spectrummagazine.org/article/column/2014/06/26/what-gospel

And if what you want is to know what the beliefs of the Adventist church are…

https://szu.adventist.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/28_Beliefs.pdf

>>959

How do you become reconciled according to the SDA

>>960

>In Christ’s life of perfect obedience to God’s will, His suffering, death, and resurrection, God provided the only means of atonement for human sin, so that those who by faith accept this atonement may have eternal life, and the whole creation may better understand the infinite and holy love of the Creator. This perfect atonement vindicates the righteousness of God’s law and the graciousness of His character; for it both condemns our sin and provides for our forgiveness. The death of Christ is substitutionary and expiatory, reconciling and transforming. The bodily resurrection of Christ proclaims God’s triumph over the forces of evil, and for those who accept the atonement assures their final victory over sin and death. It declares the Lordship of Jesus Christ, before whom every knee in heaven and on earth will bow. (Gen. 3:15; Ps. 22:1; Isa. 53; John 3:16; 14:30; Rom. 1:4; 3:25; 4:25; 8:3, 4; 1 Cor. 15:3, 4, 20-22; 2 Cor. 5:14, 15, 19-21; Phil. 2:6-11; Col. 2:15; 1 Peter 2:21, 22; 1 John 2:2; 4:10.)

https://www.albanyadventist.org/about/beliefs

I don't know if this answers your question, I didn't really understand very well what you mean… How can we reconcile with God? Is that what you want to know?

>>966

That does answer it, thanks

>Those who by faith accept this atonement may have eternal life

I was meaning to use the language of the last post

>We have the potential to he reconciled

It didn't go the next step to say how to have salvation

I'm noticing that these are all different sources. Is the "28 beliefs" functionally the confession of faith for SDA?

#10 says "this saving faith", which I understand as affirming sola fide. Is that right, and is this unanimous SDA belief?

>>967

Yeah, I searched various sources because the book of their fundamental beliefs that I have, "Nisto Cremos", is in Portuguese and I'm afraid of translating something wrong.

And yes, those are the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Adventist Church, but there is one thing to keep in mind: the Adventist Church did not define a concrete dogma (although I called one of its beliefs "a dogma" in one of my previous posts).

It so happens that the Adventist Church seeks to keep its beliefs firmly based on the Bible, and if they find any beliefs that are clearly wrong, those 28 beliefs could end up changing.

For example, Adventists believe that Ellen G. White was a God-inspired writer and a "messenger of the Lord," but if anything is found in her writings that goes directly against the Bible, that could end up changing.

>>968

That sounds like a lot of American evangelicalism being anti-credal in general, to include Baptists. That's a good thing if you ask me.

Isn't the premise of white being a prophetess that she would be speaking special revelation from God, and so it could not be erroneous?

>>971

The Adventists belive that the Bible cant be erroneous. Ellen White herself said to consult the Bible rather than consult her, and that's why Adventists believe she is inspired, because so far none of her writings contradict the Holy Scriptures.

>>974

So is she said to be a new sort of prophetess? A prophet of the OT would say "this saith the Lord", and if anything was found wrong he was to he executed.

Is it prophecy, or just good teaching? If teaching, why is a woman teaching?

>>1004

Sort of. Ellen White had visions of past events (generally biblical events), of present events (for example, she sometimes had visions of things Adventist leaders were doing wrong), and of future events (these visions in question often began using symbologies that later revealed their meanings to her).

However, Ellen White did not call herself a "prophet" because at that time that term had a very negative connotation because of people like the Mormons.

To better explain my other post, the way to make sure Ellen White was a true prophet was to compare her visions and teachings with the Bible, because if they were visions of God, there was no way for Ellen and the Bible to contradict each other.

>>1023

So you're first theologically open to the possibility of additional revelation beyond the Bible, then you find that White's prophecy was consistent with the text?

Have you found any of her visions to be questionable?

>>1024

Adventists believe that the Holy Spirit did not cease to enlighten Christians after the Bible was finished, but even so, to make sure that X Scripture is truly enlightened by God, it must be tested by the Bible.

To explain it better, I will quote Ellen White's words on the subject.

>"In His word, God has committed to men the knowledge necessary for salvation. The Holy Scriptures are to be accepted as an authoritative, infallible revelation of His will. They are the standard of character, the revealer of doctrines, and the test of experience. "Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness; that the man of God may be complete, furnished completely unto every good work" (2 Timothy 3:16, 17, R.V.).

>"Yet the fact that God has revealed His will to men through His Word, has not rendered needless the continued presence and guiding of the Holy Spirit. On the contrary, the Spirit was promised by our Saviour, to open the Word to His servants, to illuminate and apply its teachings. And since it was the Spirit of God that inspired the Bible, it is impossible that the teaching of the Spirit should ever be contrary to that of the Word.

https://whiteestate.org/legacy/issues-faq-egw-html/#faq-section-b1

Adventists, for example, do not consider Enoch's book and other non-canonical books as "additional light" because, in addition to having dubious origins, they repeatedly contradict each other and the Bible (I myself was making a compilation of all the times Enoch's book contradicts the Bible).

>Have you found any of her visions to be questionable?

Personally?

Personally? I didn't read all of Ellen White's writings, so I can't be sure, but I heard that she did say some "controversial" things, not to say much, about black people, specifically about slaves. I don't know much about the subject, it could also be that her words were misinterpreted or distorted.

Cucked. The one in my area flies a rainbow flag

Some nice people in that church, but it's not just the Sabbath and Judaizing that's the problem. One of their main doctrines is the cleansing of the sanctuary, and that even after the sacrifice on the Cross, some souls were not deemed saved. Basically that the sacrifice was not perfect, this is blasphemy against Jesus. That's why their belief othe Trinity is tenous, on the fringes of Jehovah Witness and Mormons

>>1049

Im sure thats not how the sanctuary doctrine works.

>>955

>And the Christian sabbath is…?

Sunday

>>1081

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. – Colossians 2:16-17

So then the sabbath was all meant as a shadow of things to come. Our rest is now in the Lord.

A Judaizer might disagree, but only because he devalues Christ.

>>1089

Farbeit from me to disagree with that assessment, but this scripture is not speaking of the weekly sabbath. There are other sabbaths which were part of the ceremonial worship of the Old Testament saints, but we are to keep the commandment for the worship of God. It is not acceptable for one to neglect the worship of God.

>>1081

And where does it say that in the Bible?

>>1104

Well 1 Corinthians 16:2 says

Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

But this isn't considered to be the "sabbath." What it is is establishing a weekly assembly on every Sunday. But absolutely Not the same thing as the day where no work is allowed to be done. There is no association of those things. Back when people were more aware of Scripture anyone could have told you this.

>>1119

Exactly. As far as I know, Sunday was a celebration day for Christianity, but that did not classify it as a "sabbath".

>>1119

>But absolutely Not the same thing as the day where no work is allowed to be done

The whole reason no work is done on the sabbath is because the workers are preoccupied with the worship of God. Instead of the normal daily routine of labor, the people engage in the communal worship of God (excepting only works of necessity and mercy, which are always to be done). So the assembly of the faithful on that day instead of them doing their work, that is the practice of the sabbath.

>>1138

Yep, See also Romans 14:1-7.

>>1152

A common misinterpretation is to believe that that verse refers to the Sabbath. Reading the entire chapter and considering the Jewish customs, it is noticeable that it refers to the days of fasting (the Jews considered the fourth and sixth days as days of fasting).

ellen white is a false prophet and you know it.

>>1366

No.

>>1380

Ellen White denied the trinity

>>1409

What?

>The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all

the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and

believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the

name of these three great powers–the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit– those who receive

Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of

heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. . . .

<Evangelism 617.1

Stop listening to the lies of the Historical Adventists, THEY are a cult.

Joseph Smith and Ellen White should be a couple

>>1480

Joseph Smith was the reason Ellen White did not adopt the term " prophetess" to refer to herself.

>>1481

Because in the entire history of the world, God has never called a woman to be a prophet.

>>1521

>who is Deborah

>who is Miriam

>who is Anna the Prophetess

>who is Isaiah's wife

>who are the daughters of Philip

>>1522

Which books of the bible did they write?

Judaizers are funny they think they are spiritually the Jews and they can't into dispensations