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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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ddf750  No.814039

This isn't a request for spiritual guidance,, it's more about politics.

I am a critic of Israel, or as like to call it, the Zionist occupation of Palestine.

The Bible comes up alot in my discussions,, and I don't know it all that well.

I get hit with this quote a lot.

"Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,

And whoever curses Israel will be cursed.”

and then I am told it is God's will the United States give unconditional support to Israel.

Does anyone have some quotes from Scripture, I can use to as a counter-argument?

My limited religious education taught me that the old covenant was nullified by Christ's death on the cross.

I was also taught that the ancient people of Israel broke their covenant with God and that's why ancient Israel was destroyed.

Anyone has any good Bible quotes to back up these ideas?

Thanks.

bb2550  No.814044

>>814039

In Leviticus, it is promised that if the Israelites keep the commands of God, they will be prosperous, however if they do not follow the commands of God, He will punish them. They did not keep the commands of God and now they are a scattered minority in foreign lands. The modern apostate nation of israel also does not keep the commands of God (because it is jewish and not Christian). God will punish them and their supporters in due time.


a78a54  No.814046

>>814039 (OP)

>and then I am told it is God's will the United States give unconditional support to Israel.

Actually that verse applies to Jesus Christ. He is the inheritor of all those things, not anyone else. See the Bible:

Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

–Galatians 3:16

If you go back and read Genesis 22:17 in a non-corrupt Bible such as the KJV, you'll find that the specific phrasing of "his seed" is singular. Modern versions change it to "his descendants" to make you think it's talking about the multitude of modern day, rabbinical yiddish people.

Actually that verse applies to Jesus Christ as he is authentic and therefore since the talmud requires its followers to curse Christ, the modern Israeli state (which requires citizens to renounce him) is cursed.

We know they don't have God because 1 John 2:22—

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

–1 John 2:22-23

So since they don't have the Son, they don't have the Father. What do they have then? They are worshipping a false god. Scripture makes this clear.

For ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:

Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

–1 Thessalonians 2:14-16

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

–John 3:36

For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:

Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

–Titus 1:10-11

>My limited religious education taught me that the old covenant was nullified by Christ's death on the cross.

It's more straightforward than that, it was fulfilled by Christ because he was always the sole inheritor of all of those things as it was originally planned and laid out clearly in documented prophecy. Anyone who denies his rightful place is by definition an adversary to God. And he excoriated their leaders in John 8:42-47.

They in particular are trying to posture themselves as the heirs instead (God doesn't recognize this, see Revelation 2:9 and 3:9), so recognizing them is the same as partaking in their evil deeds. As you are going along with others in cursing Jesus Christ.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

–2 John 10-11

And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.

–2 Chronicles 19:2

>I was also taught that the ancient people of Israel broke their covenant with God and that's why ancient Israel was destroyed.

Yeah that's mentioned in Hebrews 8:7-10 and Jeremiah 31:31-33. It is prophesying how Christians will become the people of God starting with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Galatians deals with this in its middle chapters.

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

–Galatians 4:28-31


ddf750  No.814050

>>814046

Thanks.

Got anything that will tell the Jews they're wrong? Something from the Old Testament that they will have to recognize.

I've had a little success with this:

Isaiah 1:15

When you spread out your hands in prayer, I will hide My eyes from you; even though you multiply your prayers, I will not listen. Your hands are covered with blood. 1


8bc610  No.814069

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>>814050

>Got anything that will tell the Jews they're wrong?

God. God will tell them they're wrong through his word, but if men disbelieve that word then certainly nothing else you or I can think of will do better. So you show them the passages and realize if they ignore it that this is one possibility and don't feel like you missed your goal. We can still warn those who don't listen to the Bible even while helping those who do listen to it.

John 5:46

For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.

1 John 5:9-10

If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

>Something from the Old Testament that they will have to recognize.

They don't recognize it. The implication they follow the Old Testament is one of their lies of the day, because they actually follow the Talmud instead (denounced as unbiblical in Mark 7:7-13). They also agree privately that it is against the Old Testament, see attached pic(s).

And I mean seriously, if someone was actually trying to understand the Old Testament they would quickly see how the New Testament references are fulfilled there. They CAN figure this stuff out if they actually want t. There are more ways than I can count that someone could find the truth by earnestly asking for guidance.

Luke 11:9-13

And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

If a son shall ask bread of any of you that is a father, will he give him a stone? or if he ask a fish, will he for a fish give him a serpent? Or if he shall ask an egg, will he offer him a scorpion? If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Hebrews 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.


ddf750  No.814368

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Just bumping my own thread.

Been Great so far.

Thank you.

Kind of looking for more old testament stuff,, lots of American Jews are on the fence about Israel would like to help them over to the right side.

Being Jews they don't recognize the New Testament,, but the Old Testament might sway them

Sorry if political stuff puts you out, but I truly it's a good cause.

I truly believe we must separate the United States from Zionism.

(see pic)




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