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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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4e7817  No.750688

https://www.samaritanspurse.org/

https://www.persecution.com/

https://www.opendoors.org/

Let's assist our brothers and sisters from oppressed lands while they spread the good news.

Every little good work helps.

Thank you! :)

86a5f0  No.750694

>>750688

Are there any specifically directed to certain denoms?

Dont want my help to be to support some american-style evangelicals with the cultural tact of a neon clown grow their churches.


e2909d  No.750698

>>750694

ow the edge

too bad for you that American evangelicals dominate missions worldwide, though it's not a contest

see: IMB, Cru, samaritan's purse, navigators


4e7817  No.750701

>>750694

As far as I know and experienced, there's really no deciphering way to tell which denomination these churches that receive your donation. Anyway, what's more important is that God is glorified throughout the world, not which kind of clothes the congregation prefers on the Lord's day.

>>750688

Also I forgot one other site. oopies hehe.

https://thenazarenefund.org


134fc4  No.750711

Post a breakdown of how much money the CEOs get and how the funds are allocated.


478749  No.750716

'Aid to the Church in Need', a catholic charity.


86a5f0  No.750932

>>750698

>ow the edge

It's not edgy.

Such cultural issues are a problem, especially in the Islamic World, given even MENA baptist unions have been making exasperated pleas for missionaries to be tactful, and stop sending Bibles willy-nilly, given a lot of these orgs are clueless of the local situation, a lot of the translations are shit, especially with some very important words, and muslims are using these things to undermine local christians.

>too bad for you that American evangelicals dominate missions worldwide

Yeah, but long-term they have a poor track record, and can degenerate into everything stereotypically bad about them, especially in poorer countries.

>though it's not a contest

Your previous words directly contradict that.

But no, their efficacy is dubious, and such missions even do more harm than good, frequently undermining local christian churches that have been there for far long(it's a popular tactic when seeing they aren't converting locasl), and with the contemporary syrian crisis, many of them have been predatory towards the situation.

I mean, i'm not syriac oriental orthodox, but why would i financially support this?

https://www.christiantoday.com/article/evangelicals-are-destroying-our-church-says-syrian-orthodox-leader/109191.htm


187ec2  No.750933

I'm not Catholic, but I use churchinneed.org. There's also Voice of the Martyrs, which is more neutral.


187ec2  No.750936

>>750932

>But no, their efficacy is dubious, and such missions even do more harm than good, frequently undermining local christian churches that have been there for far long(it's a popular tactic when seeing they aren't converting locasl), and with the contemporary syrian crisis, many of them have been predatory towards the situation.

>

>I mean, i'm not syriac oriental orthodox, but why would i financially support this?

Nothing more absurd than Evangelicals "preaching the gospel" to churches that date them by millenia.. and suffer far more often than their fat overly commercialized selves.


86a5f0  No.750939

>>750932

As a sidenote, it's important to be careful about these things in general, even setting aside your denom beliefs.

Most of the christian persecution is either in MENA, or commie Asia.

I've talked about the Middle East, but Asia also has a problem of having weird cults that would get branded with ten different strands of heresy by mainstream protestantism.

I'd rather not give money to Moonie-like cults, for crying out loud.


15e6bb  No.750948

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>>750932

>a lot of these orgs are clueless of the local situation

which ones, and compared to who?

>long-term they have a poor track record

show me

>article

sad, I agree. Bad missionaries in that example, but they're not only from the US according to the article


86a5f0  No.750972

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>>750948

>which ones

Well, these guys, just to give an example:

http://biblicalmissiology.org/2016/06/06/5-reasons-muslim-friendly-bible-translations-are-counterproductive/

https://www.change.org/p/lost-in-translation-keep-father-son-in-the-bible

Notice that the ones signing aren't exactly clueless.

>and compared to who?

The ones that have been there for a long time, be they apostolic episcopates and patriarchates, or older protestant missions that know discretion is the better part of valor, and stealing believers between themselves is a no-no.

>show me

Ill show later, when it comes to the Middle East.

But look at Ukraine, for example.

The Bible-Belt of the Soviet Union, and evangelicals were not persecuted worse than the rest(certainly not worse than the uniates).

Nowadays the only churches that are still existing in any decent number are eastern, be they orthodox or catholic.

>sad, I agree. Bad missionaries in that example, but they're not only from the US according to the article

If you know german, or romanian, read Christen in der islamischen Welt by Martin Tamcke.

You'll find this trend has actually been a pretty common thing in the past centuries, from Lebanon, to Jerusalem, to British Egypt.

>we gotta convert the muslims/commies to Christ with the Bible!

>arrive in the Middle East/totalitarian hellhole;

>flaunt around, either completely ignore native churches, or decide the corrupted fags lost their will to evangelise, and therefor are no longer invalid, and are only useful to be poached, and how you are gonna convert their country to Christ;

>had some minor success;

>situation turns south due to one geopolitical reason or another, modern mission becomes practically extinct, one way or another;

>older believers get partially exterminated too, and are now ostracized even further, for being considered fifth columns for the Western missionaries;

Btw, that guy is a lutheran theologian, so you can't invoke confessional bias.

Again, i don't particularly care if some random pastor decided to convert some tribe in the jungle/India/whatever.

You guys did a good job in places like Nagaland, or the American Frontier.

But given current evangelistic focuses for orgs like this(islamic world+totalitarian East Asia), i'd rather not shoot Christianity in the foot by helping some ignorant dumbass make things worse.




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