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>>733852

Note that it doesn't say that there ARE saved, just that they CAN be. A Muslim, being a monotheist, is more likely to convert than a Hindu.

oh hey it's that thread again

>>733855

Yeah, it's deliberately worded vaguely in order to be able to appease both liberals and conservatives in the Church. There's a word for that. It's called duplicity.

>catholics believe muslims are monotheists

omg so shocking!

>>733855

>>733872

Being a monotheist doesn’t mean you worship the same god as Christians. Muslim god is a false god. Only the trinity is the truth

That's the 1983 catechism, fruit of the poisonous V2 sect.

>>733852

Even if they "profess" to hold the faith of Abraham, the Muslims believe that Abraham was a devout Muslim, and at some point went to Mecca, built the Kabbah and called it the "First Mosque." The only similarity is that we both believe that there was a prophet named "Abraham", the similarities end there.

>>733870

I believe the technical term is Anglicanism

>>733905

>and at some point went to Mecca, built the Kabbah and called it the "First Mosque."

Rebuilt the Kabbah. Adam was the first guy to build it, but it was lost in the flood. Weird how nobody thought to mention it in the Bible

>>733852

Almost everything written post V2 is written with a sort of through-the-teeth speciousness. If V1 was the council held to defend the papal states from the beseigement of napoleon and liberalism, V2 is the through-the-teeth with crossed fingers "y-yes, we can be friends with m-modernists" council held by the church after the papal states were btfo. It's the "how a state-church deals with no longer being a state" council.

The JPII Catachism has to be read in light of the tridentine catachism and all of sacred tradition before it.

So, read this like a passive aggressive italian giving you the "I wanna bust you in the face, but can't because you'd shoot me" look:

>the plan of salvation includes […]

ok, cool. the "plan of salvation" could mean anything and everything in creation. the first step in the economy of salvation is to exist at all (you can't save what doesn't exist) – the passage could easily be interpreted to mean that muslims simply exist.

it must also be noted: drowning all of the evil ones was part of man's economy of salvation in noah's time. that something is "part of the plan" doesn't mean it is that which benefits from the plan.

>those who acknowledge the Creator

muslims indeed acknowledge a creator.

>in the first place

muslims are autistic about acknowledging their creator god

>profess to hold the faith of abraham

they indeed claim to do as much. they profess it.

>together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day

extra focus on "mankind's judge on the last day". muslims will be forced to bow before christ like every other heathen, while we bow willingly, "together" with them in the same event, as it's said in romans 14:11 – For it is written: As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

See? Perfectly orthodox once you realise that you have to think like a slippery italian lawyer in order to read modern catholic doctrinal texts. The salvation of unconverted muslims cannot be reasonably assumed; this text is worded super-vague so as to sound friendly, but it really isn't.

Muslims do not worship God, or even their iteration of God the Father. The Islamic Being does not act in the way the Lord Almighty does, and his characteristics are just short of mockery.

What this is stating is that of all the people in the world, Muslims, being monotheistic, are closest to Christians in their theological understanding and cultural-religious society. Both believe in one God, both are against polytheism and paganism, idolatry, and sodomy and other degeneracies.

Therefore, a Muslim, theoretically is the easiest person to convert since they already have so much in common with us on a societal level. However, in terms of actual brotherhood, they are still not anywhere near being close to us.

Despite our monotheistic beliefs that we share, Islam has been the largest obstacle to Christianity after paganism in the history of the world. Islam took most of the Near East and its holy lands from Christians, conquered half the world, and persecutes Christianity at all times. Islam is a dark mockery of Christianity, but Muslims themselves share more in common with us than we do with Hindus or atheists, for example.

Nice post anon.

>>733852

>Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham

Yet don't they reject Abraham's visit and worship when he saw God as reported in Genesis 18:1-2?

>>734387

>they profess to hold

Doesn't mean they really do.

They just claim.

>>733852

>Vatican 2.0™

>The Church

HA!

If after a reasonable discussion a Muslim remains stubborn, let him believe he isn't blind, then treat him with extreme pity, the same way you deal with a Christanon who makes a post here and has an insufficient perspective. Too much light all at once frustrates such a personality. Nobody likes to be told they are wrong.

>>733877

>they have false conceptions of God, but they mean the same thing that we do when we say God in the most general sense

This is literally a heresy because the only way it can be true is if the three persons are three separate gods. The Muslims deny any triunity in God, they deny the divinity of Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and they do this fully aware of God's revelation to the contrary. If we can say such people worship the same God, the only way that is true is if the Father can exist apart from the Son and the Spirit, and that is the heresy of Tritheism.

<Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: but he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

>>734515

The protestant sect of sedevacantism with no bishops, priests, or sacraments must be the true Church.

>>734387

its you who reject the original jewish understanding