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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

df38b1  No.729806

I am interested in completely dismantling the various dispensationalist heresies. Give me your best arguments for and against Dispensationalism.

df38b1  No.729827

Anyone?


23ae7e  No.729851

I am a dispensationalist because I find it to be most biblically consistent

Fire away with your criticisms so you can "completely dismantle" it


184913  No.729873

>>729827

You'd probably get more replies if you didn't post anime porn in the OP. Sage.


e2ec82  No.729892

File: 3a8a834ebe94029⋯.pdf (66.25 KB, chrysostom-AgainstTheJews.pdf)

>>729806

Evangelicalism/Dispensationalism/Zionism/Globalism/War/Neoconservatism/Televangelists

Why do they all go so well together? Social engineering by Satanic Jews – Scofield reference Bible shipped into every seminary with the help of Jewish money. Embedded into America's subconscious.

English ideology, their penchant for justifying injustices by appeal to nature, see "free market capitalism" and Darwinism. English ideology was perversion of Christianity, alchemy/magic, then Newton comes along and wraps up everything into "Science" - love and strife become gravity and inertia (balancing forces). Adam Smith comes along and rewraps English Newton's these into economics - gravity and inertia become competition and self-interest.

Who is the father of Dispensationalism? John Nelson Darby. A bad anglo with a bad idea just like those mentioned above. Nasty lawyer CI Scofield takes it and expounds, notes at the bottom of his "study bible" were very influential. Then you have the likes of Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, making up stupid "literalist" interpretations of Hebrew endtimes prophecy – Americans love it. Left Behind a national sensation. I could go on.

Now we have the Dave Ramsey / John MacArthur ilk providing all the "worldview" Christians need.

How do you explain the mystery in Romans 11? Protip: AD 70 was very significant.


8833d1  No.729896

>>729851

You're not worth an argument. Just prayer. You people get Christians killed. Just the past 10 years alone ranks up there with Soviet or Roman persecution. And you pat yourselves on the back, thinking it's God's work.


834c46  No.729907

>>729892

>Adam Smith comes along and rewraps Newton's ideas into economics - gravity and inertia become competition and self-interest.

I typed that up too quickly.


23ae7e  No.729915


58866b  No.729952

>>729806

Most people here will just attack the incidental Jew stuff and ignore the fact that at its core Dispensationalism is a hermeneutical system (hence the name). I would say this is because the board is overrun with papists and they don't really have a hermeneutic other than "the pope, what he said, thats it". The two biggest problems with dispensational hermeneutics is 1. It is not taught by the bible and 2. It is contradicted by what the bible says. Dispensationalists hold to a series of substantially different divine interactions with man called dispensations. This is the reason why they adore the Jews, because they so sever the old covenant from the new, that all the promises of the old law are made for and only for the Jewish nation. In classical dispensationalism it is taught that under the old law men were saved through their own works of the law, however ince this seriously undermines justification by faith and blatantly contradicts countless statements of Paul, this classical form has fallen out of favor in favor of less consistent systems where each of these different covenants has the same method of salvation.

Obviously, this is not something that is taught or reflected in the bible, but we are told that God made a covenant with Adam predicated on Adam's personal holiness (Gen 2:15-17), that when Adam broke this covenant by sinning all his progeny fell in their covenant head (Gen 3:17-19, Rom 5:12-14), that to rectify the problem of this curse Jesus Christ came and died for our sins, and founded a new and gracious covenant predicated on His righteousness and death (Gal 3:10-18, Rom 4:1-25), which justifies all the members of the covenant (Gal 3:1-9) and that this has been the selfsame covenant of grace from the repentance of Adam down to this very day. Hence, the promises of the old law properly belong to the Church, since they were made to the Church.

>>729851

Last time someone said something like this they self-identified as a classical dispensationalist and stated they were to defend dispensationalism and when I provided a thorough refutation of the doctrine they cowered away and failed to respond.


23ae7e  No.729955

>>729952

i'd like to read it if you have that saved

I consider myself a progressive dispensationalist


839b8f  No.729962

File: 5f6234d55d87fef⋯.jpg (54.98 KB, 590x393, 590:393, 1539096227811.jpg)

>>729806

I just go straight for the guttural and call them edomites. It's the ultimate trap card for any zionist narratives. What are they gonna do, tell Christians the Bible doesn't count when I bring up fake jew verses?


193599  No.729969

Then what advantage has the Jew? Or what is the value of circumcision? Much in every way. To begin with, the Jews were entrusted with the oracles of God.


58866b  No.729973

>>729955

I don't.


a79843  No.740205

Dispensationalism is a Jewish trick


adf875  No.740230

>>729806

Please delete this picture.


99a4f6  No.740231

>everything that has boobs is automatically porn

Wow, sheer autism itt is astonishing.


53879a  No.740240

>>740231

Only two posts are like that and rest are on topic. Stop whining


e06ed8  No.740243

>>740231

>the mere sight of a woman's Beauty can lead people to sin

were he Muslims right all along? do women need to cover their beauty for our sake?


c25eb0  No.740512

>>740243

More like that people need to gauge their eyes out if their fragile psyches can't stand the look of a bloody cartoon character.

Stop blaming others. Christ didn't say to enforce pisslamic customs on others, but above-mentioned.


091e90  No.740522

If you believe the bible is the whole truth as is then you don't believe the bible's final book.


be4310  No.740558

>>740512

Looks like the mods couldn't fathom it and deleted the photo. I'll make sure to add:

>posting pictures of beautiful women

To the things that are considered /chriatian/ wrongthink.


1c0b26  No.740588

>>740558

>a cartoon image drawn for sexual implications is now equal in idea to "beautiful woman"


c25eb0  No.740590

>>740588

>It has boobs so it has sexual implications


53879a  No.740598

>>740588

>a cartoon image drawn for sexual implications

I dont know if you would survive in any classical and Renaissance arts museum


e78cfb  No.740625

>>729892

Good stuff. Thanks for the PDF anon


e78cfb  No.740626

>>740590

Yes. Exactly


adf875  No.740649

>>740598

>classical and Renaissance

Sounds paganic to me.


6b60dd  No.743613

>>729952

Can you give more information please? I was raised pentecostal and heard the term dispensation from time to time. Does that mean that they believed that there are different methods of salvation for different people? Thanks.


a9c6c0  No.743654

>>743613

Not necessarily. The term dispensation itself in this context simply refers to a period in the history of God's interaction with His people. The term is used by most schools of theology, but the framework of Dispensationalism is so called because it distinctively sees each dispensation as a fundamentally different covenant, thereby placing special emphasis on the dispensations in theology.




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