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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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ba6524  No.721806

“Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.”

‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭9:10‬ ‭

What did he mean by this? Sounds like something a fedora would say. Is the Christian afterlife truly devoid of knowledge and wisdom? I find that hard to believe. Jesus clearly depicts some form of communication in the afterlife in Luke 16. Can someone explain to me how to interpret this verse in a way that doesn’t contradict with Jesus’ view of the afterlife?

Pic unrelated, but very cool looking.

291bf9  No.721817

>in the grave

"in hell" is the proper English translation. Regardless, the jist of it is that, once you are dead, you cannot do anything to change whether you are saved or not.


ba6524  No.721818

>>721817

Is hell annihilation?


291bf9  No.721820


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ba6524  No.721823


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2ce7ca  No.721839

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>>721818

Are unbelievers going to get eternal life?


88431f  No.721845

>>721806

>What did he mean by this? Sounds like something a fedora would say.

Because Solomon often writes what he thought as a fedora in Ecclesiastes.

>>721822

>>721839

I want heretics to winnie the pooh off from /christian/


b8ea18  No.721888

he's talking about Sheol, where people went before Christ's crucifixion


20d2a4  No.721920

A view of death in which the deceased are no longer capable of thinking, acting, or experiencing joys of any kind (9:6, 10). Moreover, they are quickly forgotten by the living (2:16). According to this view, the state of death barely qualifies as existence at all. Qoheleth is either adopting the common view of his times or engaging in his own speculation about the state of death. Either way, his inspired words reveal the limits of reason rather than the actual circumstances attending the souls of the departed. It is only with the deposit of Christian revelation that we learn the full truth about what happens to man after death (particular and universal judgments, resurrection of the body, heaven, hell, etc.)

Also: it is to be understood as referring to the natural knowledge of separated souls, which knowledge is devoid of obscurity in holy men. But he is not speaking of their knowledge in the Word, for it is clear that when Salomon said this, the dead had no such knowledge, since no one had come to the vision of God before Christ's passion.


0c6c04  No.722002

Everyone went to hell or purgatory/bosom of abraham before Jesus's passion. Solomon was just stating the truth he knew at the time.




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