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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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1941da  No.712488

My wife found Jesus about a year ago and it has changed her life vastly for the better, however recently she has had a terrible time ever since she read the story about Jesus and the Canaanite Woman. In Matthew 15:21–28, Jesus encounters a Canaanite woman who begs Him to cure her daughter. Jesus initially refuses her request by saying, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs” (Matthew 15:26). We have both read a few explanations but none seem to be the answer she is looking for.

Her biggest fear is that the entire Christian religion is just a massive psyop by the Jews and Jesus might have only come back for Jewish salvation and that the rest of us don't matter.

Can anybody help with this? Maybe had your own issues with this story and be willing to share. She understands so much about Jesus and had great insight and would very much appreciate it since it has completely flipped her world around. Thank you.

e14473  No.712495

I somehow find that hard to believe.


1941da  No.712497

>>712495

What exactly is hard to believe?


3dec06  No.712499

>>712488

Read the next two verses.

>27 And she said, "Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."

>28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, "O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire." And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

The whole point of this passage is to reveal this woman's persistent faith and humility, and to remind us all to approach God accordingly.

As for Jesus only coming to save the Jews and that Christianity is some massive psyop to trick the goyim; how much evidence do you really need to know that that's a silly theory?


717288  No.712502

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>>712488

> Her biggest fear is that the entire Christian religion is just a massive psyop by the Jews and Jesus might have only come back for Jewish salvation and that the rest of us don't matter.

….Really? This is the best story you could come up with to come here and troll with? Your wife read Matthew 15 and her response was that "Christianity is a Jewish psy op"? Go back to /pol/, your bait is disgraceful


55f5a6  No.712503

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>>712488

You could've at least read the entire chapter

>And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

Furthermore, Gentiles are saved while Jews are not:

>For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in.

>Romans 11

Jews are not saved:

>Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.

>Galatians 5

You should read the entire Bible, including the parts where Christ calls the Jews the spawn of Satan:

>Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do

>John 8:44-45

The Bible is the most anti-Jewish book that is universally available.


a7c191  No.712506

>>712488

>>712499

>how much evidence do you really need to know that that's a silly theory?

It's a genuine concern for some people. No matter how much the Catholic Church says the Israelites don't matter, anyone who reads their Bible can tell it's an extremely pro-Israelite book despite being blunt about their failures. Fortunately, thanks to Kings 2 and Maccabees 1 and Maccabees 2, we have records of the edomites taking over Judea and becoming "the jews" while the lost tribes of Israel were scattered among the nations. Gentiles literally means nations. Jesus told His apostles to go out to all the nations and if anything the parable of the Canaanite woman means even those not born of Israelite lineage can still reap the rewards of heaven.

There you go op, a comprehensive answer to your question when your op is probably just cuckchan tier bait anyway.


717288  No.712507

>>712506

>No matter how much the Catholic Church says the Israelites don't matter

The Catholic Church is the continuation of temple judaism. It doesn't say the Israelites don't matter because the Israelites were proto-catholics.


a7c191  No.712509

>>712507

>the Israelites were proto-catholics.

This is true but not necessarily a bad things. Many Catholics have taken a strange reaction to zionism though, accepting the claim that the jews are Israelites but also claiming that they magically turned evil when Jesus came as if lineage and genetics mean nothing (which is something the jews want you to believe.) But don't confuse me for CI. I believe anyone of any race can become and act Christian if they are good.


e59042  No.712512

>>712488

Read this:

http://orthochristian.com/115922.html

And stop interpreting Scripture on your own


e47943  No.712517

>>712488

>a whip

lel, it's a bit of cord.

Why must jews always exaggerate so much? Look at how the tables are flipped, look how they are on the floor.

Yeah, go on, try waving a little bit of cord around and winnie the pooh with moneysharks. I dare you. I double dog dare you. You'd get hooked in the gabber instantly.


b63abd  No.712518

>>712509

well it's not just catholics the world has forgotten the modern day "jews" LARP, and such. we are in demonic times. political correctness and rabid anti-christianity and secularism is the main culture in the world right now. hopefully we can go back to a time when people aren't concerned about being politically correct and just say the truth. also i'm pretty concerned about (((them))) infiltrating conservative politics too, like dennis prager, shapiro, kushner etc.


b63abd  No.712519

at least we might be able to stack the supreme court with another catholic if ginsberg leaves/dies and we get amy barrett. also it is hilarious reading on reddit people complaining that catholics are over represented on the supreme court and one person was like wait, you're concerned about that but not about the insane overrepresentation of jews? 3/9 are jews and they are only 6 million, vs now 5/9 are catholic but we are 20% of the population in the US.


dac1c4  No.712527

When in doubt, always see what the Church Fathers have to say about a particular passage.

http://newadvent.org/fathers/200152.htm


e43645  No.712533

>>712488

OP, to oversimplify it, early Jesus was exclusively for the Jews, but when the Jews refused to believe he was Christ, he became exclusively for Gentiles and true believers.

To further understand this I suggest reading Paul's chapters:

Romans

Corinthians

Corinthians

Galatians

Ephesians

Philippians

Colossians

Thessalonians

Timothy

Titus

Philemon

Hebrews

Matthew basically wrote for Jews to understand Christ.

Paul basically wrote for Gentiles to understand.


717288  No.712553

>>712533

Jesus even makes it as clear as he can

>And he began to tell the people this parable: “A man planted a vineyard and let it out to tenants and went into another country for a long while. When the time came, he sent a servant to the tenants, so that they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. And he sent another servant. But they also beat and treated him shamefully, and sent him away empty-handed. And he sent yet a third. This one also they wounded and cast out. Then the owner of the vineyard said, ‘What shall I do? I will send my beloved son; perhaps they will respect him.’ But when the tenants saw him, they said to themselves, ‘This is the heir. Let us kill him, so that the inheritance may be ours.’ And they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? He will come and destroy those tenants and give the vineyard to others.” When they heard this, they said, “Surely not!” But he looked directly at them and said, “What then is this that is written: “‘The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone’?

Vineyard = Gods covenant

Fruit of the Vineyard = Righteousness and Goodness

Tenets = Jews

Servants = Prophets

Jesus says many times that if the Jews reject him then the covenant is is offering will be given to others

>When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”


63c3a2  No.712749

>>712488

Your wife needs to follow the example of the Canaanite woman. Jesus always intended to come for the gentiles too, and he tested them and allowed them to show their excellence in faith like the woman did. Tell your wife to be like the woman and have humble faith like a dog


15055f  No.712762

>>712506

>>712518

>>712553

>>712533

>>712517

>>712502

Thank you all for the answers. I can understand why you would think I was a troll, but this was a legitimate problem and for those of you who provided help I thank you again.


e50196  No.712859

It's another one of these concern troll threads.

>my wife is concerned

>Jewish Psyop

Lol Ahmeds and Fedoras really are npcs


e0dbae  No.713194

>Acts 22:21 And he [Jesus] said unto me [Paul], Depart: for I will send thee far hence unto the Gentiles.

>Acts 10:44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word. 45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God.

>Romans 11:11

>I say then, have they [Jews] stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.

>Galatians 3

>28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

>Acts 13

>46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles.


e7199d  No.713206

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>>712488

>My wife found Jesus

under a cushion?

It's an oldie, but it's a goody ……


e7199d  No.713215

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>>712488

>The devil and the tales he weaves

Your wife if indeed ur not just r/atheism trolling us again with another "ingenious" questions ……. is experiencing "early days" attacks from the devil. It's normal. he sets out to destroy the faith of any new believer by causing doubt in every little detail and sometimes those hooks-of-doubt catch a thread and then he just pulls and pulls.

So, firstly, she should not be alarmed.

Secondly, get her to look to Revelations and the "144,000", twelve thousand from each tribe of Israel, but then at "the great multitude". They're not jews – those are enumerated – so who are they? Angels? Nope, scripture already has those covered. They're us.

Thirdly, that verse in Matthew is out of context: Yes, Jesus appears to be calling us gentiles "dogs" (though as I'm sure you've already read, that means indoor pet dogs) which was in line with Jewish views at the time since most of the people around him were Jews and he was communicating effectively with them, not just with her, they would have viewed it as "Oh, good, he's still ONLY a Jewish prophet."

BUT, how does the passage end? He turns it on its head: "O woman, great is your faith: be it to you even as you will." He confounds the Jewish exclusionists in the crowd by telling her that her FAITH has given her what she wants.

HER FAITH.

This is then the lesson: Yes, Christ will not be easily accessed, but by faith, and you'll have to be willing to display and even PROVE that faith before you get to Christ.

So, then the devil will say, "Aahhh, but look at how the Christ favours the Jews. This is still a Jewish religion." But, who said anything about Jesus treating everyone the same? Remember the parable about the field labourers, that even the people who came at 4pm and did some work got a full day's wages, and what was the master's response? Why are you worrying about what other people got? Didn't I treat you fairly? What Jesus does with the Jews on judgement day is none of our business, nor any of our concern, we evangelise them just the same – for NO ONE gets to the Father but through Christ.

But, to the original point: the woman showed faith in v27, and in v28 Jesus rewarded that with the miracle she so desperately wanted. This is no Jewish psyop; if we show and prove to Christ our faith, we will be amongst the "great multitude", too.

<And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. Hebrews 11:6




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