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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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e0473c  No.707052

What is the /christian/ perspective of atheists who recognize the positive values of religion on society and decide to marry a Christian woman and raise Christian kids?

ec4ca6  No.707074

Assuming the man/husband is the atheist, why doesn't he just convert? This is honestly not a question I have thought about.


7ec22d  No.707076

He should just become Christian then. There's no reason not to, they just fundamentally misunderstand the nature of faith. If you're living as a Christian and follow Christs commands then you have faith, regardless if you can intellectually grok the idea of God or not. Belief is action, not a state of mind.


29f92b  No.707078

>>707076

>Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

pooh off, heretic


7ec22d  No.707080

Love is action, not a state of mind. "Love" is worthless without the external acts that accompany it.


9fc854  No.707081

>>707052

They’re in denial.


dd0918  No.707087

Why would an atheist like religion, and marry a Christian woman? Even if he had good impression of Christianity, if he married a Christian woman, she would obey God over him, and possible reject him because the bible says not to marry a non-christian. If said kind of Atheist is only interesting in being an obeyed husband by this Christian woman then that's a tragedy for his own sake. God is so much greater than some wife that may or may not obey/love you.


fce911  No.707097

The people who know the Gospel in all it's goodness and willfully reject it: ie. those most deserving of hell.


de9423  No.707101

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>>707052

The question that immediately comes to my mind is does the woman know this? If yes, then why would she settle for such a meager fellow? Does she not know what disappointment may await her? If no, then the guy must be some kind of villain, if even of an unconscious sort in the case where he might have half-heartedly pretended to take an interest for a time. At any rate, I won't recommend it at all.

>In 1994 the Swiss carried out an extra survey that the researchers for our masters in Europe (I write from England) were happy to record. The question was asked to determine whether a person’s religion carried through to the next generation, and if so, why, or if not, why not. The result is dynamite. There is one critical factor. It is overwhelming, and it is this: It is the religious practice of the father of the family that, above all, determines the future attendance at or absence from church of the children.

>If both father and mother attend regularly, 33 percent of their children will end up as regular churchgoers, and 41 percent will end up attending irregularly. Only a quarter of their children will end up not practicing at all. If the father is irregular and mother regular, only 3 percent of the children will subsequently become regulars themselves, while a further 59 percent will become irregulars. Thirty-eight percent will be lost.

>If the father is non-practicing and mother regular, only 2 percent of children will become regular worshippers, and 37 percent will attend irregularly. Over 60 percent of their children will be lost completely to the church.

>Let us look at the figures the other way round. What happens if the father is regular but the mother irregular or non-practicing? Extraordinarily, the percentage of children becoming regular goes up from 33 percent to 38 percent with the irregular mother and to 44 percent with the non-practicing, as if loyalty to father’s commitment grows in proportion to mother’s laxity, indifference, or hostility.

https://www.fisheaters.com/menandchurch2.html


357fb7  No.707106

This is literally straight from scripture and I'm disappointed in /christian/ for not referencing it.

<>But to the rest I say, not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever, and she consents to live with him, he must not divorce her. And a woman who has an unbelieving husband, and he consents to live with her, she must not send her husband away. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified through her believing husband; for otherwise your children are unclean, but now they are holy. Yet if the unbelieving one leaves, let him leave; the brother or the sister is not under bondage in such cases, but God has called us to peace. For how do you know, O wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, O husband, whether you will save your wife?

<>1 Corinthians 7:12-16

In other words, if you have a atheist for a spouse, you can edify them. While the spouse may not believe, you can still raise up your children to believe. And there is no telling whether or not your spirituality will bring about your spouse's faith and conversion. However, if they, being atheists, choose to leave you, don't ruin yourself to keep them around.


de9423  No.707108

>>707106

The reason it was probably never referenced is because the details of the OP suggest a situation where the believer is not already bound to an atheist spouse.


ddc59b  No.707114

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>>707052

To, the man/Husband, i would say if you were like me where i was just really 6, going on 7 months ago. Where, i didn't have an intellectual basis for Christianity. I would recommend Reading some C.S Lewis's Works, and just in general his life story, From Atheism, to Theism, Then finally to Christianity. Pic related one of C.S Lewis's books. I would recommend would be, if you're into philosophy even some basic, might be his book on, Miracles, if not then try, Mere Christianity. Also this youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/CSLewisDoodle/videos?disable_polymer=1 has his books/lectures, in audio format, with nice drawing/doodles to help along visual learners. Another thing i'd also recommend, is idk if anyone else has done this, but go back and look at, all the Enlightenment/Post Enlightenment Philosophers. Mainly two, Hume and Nietzsche. And just from what i've seen you're gona see a very Stark Contrast between them, and the New Atheist. That of people who are Dawkins Disciples, Or Sam Harris Vanguards. I'll give you two example one being from Nietzsche. Where in Genealogies of Morals. He does sorta, a rebuttal/small remark on Evangelist Atheist where. He rightly points out, and this was devastating blow to me, was, and in a general paraphrasing here*All, you, Atheist out there espousing There's no God, There's no God, etc. You're fools. If your Atheism is true, then it really just doesn't matter at all. And you're fools, cause you still believe in, a capital T, Truth, so you're still out there like an Evangelist espousing for the *Truth*, Evangelizing, for, the *Truth*, as if that even means anything. You're just as bad as the Christians Get out of my Face!. If you're atheism is true, then there is not truth, or absolute. There's only just *Grand Narratives*, In other words, it's just my opinion vs your opinion.* The other example i have from personal experience just from being on this scene, and doing research is, I've seen multiple instances, online, Generally in youtube comment sections, so maybe not much to make, of it. But i can recall It was a Hitchens, or Some Dawkins new Atheist arguing with, a, Hume Skeptic where, the dawkinite went right into the new atheist playbook of reciting, where's my Evidence?, Extraordinary claims require Extraordinary *Evidence*. And actually the Hume Skeptic actually layed out, The Christian Case pretty well, about us making a Metaphysical Truth claim, and about how we all have these presuppositions in philosophy. Boy did that just piss that guy off. I think just continued to rage on where's my evidence with, You guys are just playing word games lol. A long winded response, but hopefully this helps, that's been my journey to make, it short, in the text format that, is there's so much more, In philosophy, and just every day, to day life. Of questioning and having this seesaw battle with Christianity intellectually, spiritually. And also modern pop Culture.


ddc59b  No.707118

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>>707114

I forgot, to mention at the moment still discerning but. My denom, being, Orthodox. And Orthodox Theology is radically different from Protestantism, And Distinct from Roman Catholicism. But i linked C.S Lewis because, i think he was pretty Orthodox for an Anglican, and idk about you, but if i was in the 1930s, No, Internet, and a time period when the Anglican Church wasn't as affected, by these radical positions the Anglican church is today, i could see why he ended up Anglican. But Check out his work man. Guy really was a high IQ, Writer. That we are seriously hemorrhaging, in the west for.


7dee65  No.707123

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>Self professed Atheist

>Raising Christian kids

Pick one.


fce911  No.707125

>>707106

This was written at a time when literally all Christians were converts. It's talking about when you convert and your spouse does not, rather than marrying someone knowing full well they have chosen against the faith


aa2248  No.707139

>>707052

Personally if my sisters wanted to marry an atheist I would tell them that it's a bad idea. It could cause her to stray from God. It could also effect the beliefs of their children. For the non believer it can be a huge benefit since hopefully their spouse can help convert them.




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