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stop watching porn

The Church has already spoken about this on several ocasions. Homosexuals are called to live in celibacy as layman.

>burn forever

Only if you sin.

>>705434

I have that vice, I'm not screwing anyone except for a wife who understands my plight.

>Stay celibate and live alone until death and after dying alone, probably burn forever.

Single celibacy is the optimal way for a Christian to live, whether heterosexual or homosexual. Stop this "woe is me" nonsense just because you're called to celibacy. Any heterosexual man who can't find a wife has to go through the exact same thing so you're not being punished for being homosexual at all.

>>705434

>1) Leave the faith and doctrine, either being heathen or heretical, and burn forever

In that case they would be engaging in sodomy with another person and causing disorder.

>2) Stay celibate and live alone until death and after dying alone, probably burn forever

>3) Get married with someone of the opposite sex, maybe have a family, and live dishonestly and possibly ruin the marriage and then probably burn forever

If they didn't commit the crime, then they have other (possibly lesser) issues to worry about than one that could get them in real trouble.

>And this is with assuming that they're not automatically barred from the Kingdom (i.e. reprobate &c.) so there's no use in trying.

That is a little tricky and quite likely not as clear cut as you say it is. What happens if someone is homosexual but has not heard the Word and converts, dropping his lifestyle in the process? And cases where someone is invaded or influenced by demons (thus partially nullifying their agency)? And so on and so forth.

However, that man who is living is sin, and loves the sin despite knowing full well it is wrong would be a good definition of a reprobate. And the problem here is, that it's very hard to get those people out of a tail-spin because it's a conscious decision to do something that they themselves agree is bad. We want it to happen, for them to get straight, but it's hard. And that's not even talking about people who are active agents for evil forces; not only is there no hope for them, but you should stay away from them at all costs.

>>705434

>1) Leave the faith and doctrine, either being heathen or heretical, and burn forever.

Stopped reading right here.

Get electroshock therapy

>>705450

Might as well castrate yourself.

maybe it's a sign of Calvinism being real

Stop watching porn, and exercise and pray regularly and in 99.9% of cases you'll find out you're not a homosexual and it's just your unhealthy life that the devil is clinging to.

>>705436

A paragraph of the CCC is easier read than lived out. For my friend, it seems like a "screw up once and cut your balls off" kind of agreement, but he doesn't complain saying that he wasn't there when the world was formed.

>>705443

Like a wife who also has that problem?

>>705445

How is it optimal? And marriage is sacred institutie, and one very valued vocation, and so on. It looks so central, and it has been central for centuries. My friend would in essente have no way for any calling he might have.

>Any heterosexual man who can't find a wife has to go through the exact same thing

Except it's different.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BX-j3PL2EY

Both normal and sick people would have to handle not being able to find a wife, but the sick have extra burdens. It's not an apples-to-oranges comparison.

>>705450

>>705455

My friend says he's considered aversion and emetic therapy, annihilative electroconvulsive therapy, chemical and physical castration and emasculation, and transorbital leucotomy. This has been causing him a lot of distress and despair.

>>705446

My friend asks how one lives a life like that? He fears he doesn't even have the right to question it because he's not being threatened to be turned into a human Roman candle.

>>705447

Path integrals factor in every path, no matter how epsilon they are.

>>705452

My friend isn't trying to cop out. My friend sometimes thinks it's not fair but he turns around in guilt for questioning the hand he's been dealt.

>>705460

He frequently think he is beyond saving but instead of giving up, he desperately clings onto any small bit of hope he can. He also thinks that he only does so because "Sodomites are selfish and fear hell, but they don't love God." and that he is dishonest always.

>>705466

Possibly, but this has been entrenched since primarie school for him.

>>705434

There's no reason why they can't settle down with a woman and live life proper.

> possibly ruin the marriage

There's this meme that a man who overcomes his sexual perversion is just a timebomb waiting to abandon his family for penis. That has nothing to do with homosexuality and everything to do with lacking morality. How could a man close to God do such a thing? I've never heard of any gay being physically incapable of loving a woman either.

>>705761

I understand your point and the picture you've painted is plausible. What I'm saying is it's not a necessary outcome. Your mind can heal and your urges evaporate with age. I don't see any benefit to putting into question every marriage involving someone who overcame or is overcoming their problems. People don't usually marry someone they don't love.

>>705434

Celibacy or therapy.

>>705662

I don't know where you are, but in the states we have what's usually called "conversion therapy" which is non-destructive.

>probably burn forever.

Ask God for forgiveness when you fail to live up to His standards, and don't stop struggling against sin. All of us here have fallen short, your particular sin doesn't make you special. Without Christ's mercy, all of us are damned.

>>705434

I'm really worried about my chances in the Catholic church guys. I've been looking at their sexual relation rules for heterosexual people and this is what I have found out so far:

The way I see it these are the only options for a heterosexual:

1) Leave the faith and doctrine, either being heathen or heretical, and burn forever.

2) Stay celibate and live alone until death and after dying alone, probably burn forever.

3) Get married with someone of the opposite sex, maybe have a family, and live dishonestly and possibly ruin the marriage and then probably burn forever.

What are these people supposed to do? What hope is there for them?

if you're not sure why a heterosexual person is confronted with this problem, which feels strictly like a homosexual problem, feel free to reply to this post asking why. In fact, go ahead and do it. But seriously, other than option 3 being a bit more free, you'll soon find out that heterosexual couples can't kiss for too long unless they're already married and can't use contraception.

>>705434

You know its funny how Christians are so against homosexuality, yet our priests seem to not be able to keep their hands off of little boys. Really makes you think.

>>705662

>How is it optimal?

But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Now concerning virgins: I have no commandment from the Lord; yet I give judgment as one whom the Lord in His mercy has made trustworthy. I suppose therefore that this is good because of the present distress—that it is good for a man to remain as he is: Are you bound to a wife? Do not seek to be loosed. Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife.

But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord. But he who is married cares about the things of the world—how he may please his wife. There is a difference between a wife and a virgin.

>>705980

I guess Christians are actually all gay pedophiles and they just made the anti-gay stuff up to make their own lives more miserable.

>>705972

I feel it's not just possible; it's probable, if not inevitable. What if they don't evaporate?

>People don't usually marry someone they don't love

Some do it out of social pressure and the love is not marriage-fit unitary eros.

>>705976

I've heard terrible things about conversion therapy. That people come out of it in persistent crisis with suicidal thoughts and so on, even when it's voluntary. Because you try and try and nothing happens so you must not be trying hard enough and try and pray and nothing happens so you're not trying hard enough and it's your fault and it's your unfaithfulness so you try and try some more.

I mean, he's going to try it anyway.

Exodus Int'l and all connected organisations folded but that was probably more globohomo pressure than anything else.

>>705978

We might all have fallen short, but who you are gives you a category in life.

>>705979

Because it's not equal. Normal, healthy people don't have to deal with that.

>>705983

If we establish that intellectually, how can he turn his feeling that doesn't sit right with him?

Normal, heterosexual men are like fires, carrying that spark for centuries back into the past and centuries into the future. The Human species. The abnormals are like smoke, or like sacrificial zinc tablets unceremoniously bolted onto a barnacled hull. Furthermore, how is "he who is unmarried" supposed to care for the things of the Lord if people with disordered inclinations have literally no vocational outlet in the clergy? (Well you can try, but we've seen what that leads to…)