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>>705041

Do you eat the flesh of animals? Curious.

>Is it truly wrong to pray for god vengeance?

"and forgive us of our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us…"

>>705042

what's your problem with eating animals?

>>705042

>Do you eat the flesh of animals?

>Comparing raping puppies too death to meat eating

There a special in hell for lukewarm apologist like yourself.

>>705043

Well OP was complaining about animal abuse. I'm wondering if he eats them. Cause that would be a conflict of beliefs, no?

>>705045

What's lukewarm about being consistent?

>>705051

>Cause that would be a conflict of beliefs, no?

Animals killed for consumption are slaughtered humanely, with as little pain as possible. So no, not even close.Sounds like dumbass vegan logic.

>B-b-but how can you be for ethical treatment of animals if you eat meeeeeat!?

>>705056

>Animals killed for consumption are slaughtered humanely, with as little pain as possible.

On what earth?

>>705056

>humane animal slaughter

This is like someone telling me women have the right to "safe abortions"

>So no, not even close.Sounds like dumbass vegan logic.

Not a vegan, but I do realize that killing and eating animals as a luxury of taste is not morally ideal. If it's necessary it's different since we are worth more than animals, but our taste-pleasure is not worth more than an animals life.

>>705045

>Complains about animals

>Starts talking about hell to fellow human being

people like you want me to exterminate every single non-human life on this planet

>>705041

God gave you the duty to fight injustice.

>>705059

dude, the furries in question are way beyond "not morally ideal" they're like triple sodomites

rethink your philosophy and don't call others beliefs inconsistent

>>705062

There is a difference of course, but both are immoral.

>>705065

Didn't watch the video.

You haven't said how I'm being inconsistent. The fact that one evil is worse than another evil doesn't mitigate the other.

>>705059

>This is like someone telling me women have the right to "safe abortions"

Don't equate animal life with human life again, please. Humans have souls, animals do not. Animals are meat robots that exist for our use.

>but I do realize that killing and eating animals as a luxury of taste is not morally ideal

On the next day, as they were on their way and approaching the city, Peter went up on the housetop about the sixth hour to pray. But he became hungry and was desiring to eat; but while they were making preparations, he fell into a trance; and he saw the sky opened up, and an object like a great sheet coming down, lowered by four corners to the ground, and there were in it all kinds of four-footed animals and crawling creatures of the earth and birds of the air. A voice came to him, “Get up, Peter, kill and eat!”

God has no issue with you eating meat, that's what the animals exist for.

>>705068

>Humans have souls, animals do not. Animals are meat robots that exist for our use.

Animals do have souls, just not one like us.

They aren't mere meat robots meant for exploitation.

>>705071

I'm not saying that you can be unnecessarily cruel and cause suffering for no reason, since obviously we're the stewards of the Earth and have a duty to shepherd it as God shepherds us. That said, animals do not have souls and killing animals to eat is not immoral. If that was the case then God would have been telling the Israelites to sin when He instituted the laws for passover. You're being unneccessarily scrupulous. It's great you like animals, but it's not a sin to eat meat nor is it immoral.

>>705068

>Don't equate animal life with human life again, please. Humans have souls, animals do not.

Animals have simple animal souls, whatever life giving principle is animating them and allowing them to be aware, they have something. They don't have to be exactly like humans to have a moral status.

>Animals are meat robots that exist for our use.

So why the need to be humane to them "with as little pain as possible" if they are just empty robots? >>705056

You're being inconsistent. I don't need to be "humane" or "moral" to a robot, it's not a living, conscious being. I do have to be humane and moral towards animals, because I recognize they are living and conscious beings, like myself, but not in the same degree or power.

>>705072

> That said, animals do not have souls and killing animals to eat is not immoral

Whatever animals have is sufficient to warrant treating them well. Just because they are not equal to us doesn't mean they are worthless and should be sacrificed for our gluttony pleasure.

I'm all for hunting animals in times of scarcity or necessity, since they are not our equals ontologically. But they do have value, enough value to trump a persons "taste pleasure" criteria. Since 99% of meat eaten these days is not out of necessity, but out of taste pleasure, as a luxury.

>>705074

>being consistent is more important than the word of God

This is what we call idolatry. To put something that is good above God.

This is why liberalism is cancer too. They take liberty which is a good and put it up as the supreme value that must be obeyed with religious fervor, when in fact it's just one og God's creations.

What you do here is functionally the exact same thing. You autistically cling to the idea of consistency as if it was the authority on this issue when it is well known for us all that God is the only true authority and his word clearly reflects that you are wrong.

Having sex with animals is forbidden by God's word while eating animals is allowed by God's word.

Your appeal to consistency is nothing but idolatrous speculation in spite of God's commandments.

Repent.

>there are people on this board who are apologetic to these perverted furfag sodomites

What the winnie the pooh?

> letting the thread get derailed by vegan trolls

Sad!

>>705041

>praying for another great flood

God promised that would never happen again, so your prayers are guaranteed ignored.

>>705051

>Bible condones eating meat

>Bible doesn't condone bestiality

"One of these things is not like the other, one of these doesn't belong"

>>705091

He only promised he wouldn't flood us again. He never said he wasn't going to drop something worse on our stupid sinful heads.

>As I told you, if men do not repent and better themselves, the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity…the good as well as the bad, sparing neither priests nor faithful. The survivors will find themselves so desolate that they will envy the dead. - Our Lady of Akita Apparition

>>705041

The act is depraved indeed, but animals rape each other too though. I'd say that animal rape isn't as bad as human rape.

>>705107

Stop being apologetic. No one said this was worse than human rape in the first place.

>>705097

OP specifically said "another great flood".

>>705051

False equivalency. God gave us the right to kill and eat animals in scripture, but forbids us from committing beastiality.

>>705086

We're allowed to eat meat. That doesn't mean we have to. Sometimes it's necessary, sometimes it's just vanity.

Why not fast from meat?

>>705111

Ah fair though I don't think OP would be to picky about it. Others in this thread are correct though praying for such a thing is sinful and should be condemned. Only the Lord is allowed to pass judgement and it is not our place to ask him to move.

>>705110

Whats apolegetic about this?

>>705122

Whether we have to eat meat or not is a red herring. Necessity just isn't relevant. The fact of the matter is that God gave man the freedom to eat all living things and enjoy it. Also if you're eating at all you aren't following the example of fasting Christ gave us in scripture. Genesis 9:3

>>705043

as Christians we don't believe animals have an immortal soul, it is not biblical to be against the slaughter of animals for consumption.

Inflicting pain, torturing or raping an animal is completely different from slaughter.

>>705057

this earth. I can't speak for all countries on earth, but in my country pigs are put through a chamber with a certain mixture of air which puts them to sleep, then they are killed afterwards while unconscious.

Not all countries are like Vietnam where dogs are kidnapped from the streets and killed inhumanely.

>>705135

Eating meat in the modern era is vanity and gluttony.The meat doesn't defile you but the wicked intention of killing animals to please your tongue will count against you..be careful

>>705146

I think any method of killing is fine. You don't want to deliberately torture it anyway. That said, that gas might have some unwanted chemicals though. I prefer a more natural way.

>>705157

There's nothing wrong with killing animals, most of them will meet a much worse fate in nature anyway. Dying of sickness or being mauled is are not cool.

>>705157

>not substantiating any of your piss poor rhetoric

There's no reason to believe wanting to kill and eat a beast is wicked. There's no reason to believe eating meat is vain or gluttonous. Stop watching vegan gains, kid.

>>705148

>praying for justice

This right here.

Why does no one in a high profile talk about praying for justice??? We need this, so badly today. I mean I'm Catholic so I'm practically used to sodomites telling us to overemphasize "mercy", inasmuch as it lets them keep screwing us, but where are the test of you guys on this?

By letting praying for justice go by the wayside we're basically telling anyone who has been grievously wronged to shut up and take it with a smile. This is why they call us cucks, man.

>>705157

Actually it is the opposite. Meat is easy to acquire even the poor can easily purchase it. Maybe 100 years ago but in this day and age meat and bread are interchangeable. Should we be giving to poor countries yes, should we be using the resources we use to make meat to feed the hungry yes. However what will you do to remedy this? Taking what does not belong to you and redistributing it is breaking the commandants and is a grave sin. If you choose to not eat meat then good for you but to brag about it is to sin and makes your fast meaningless.

>>705157

>Eating meat in the modern era is vanity and gluttony.

Nope, eating meat today is pretty much cheaper and more efficient than buying veggies which are pretty expensive on the market, thanks to your vegan hype that decided to turn vegetarianism into a trend that will push the price of veggies through the roof.

Gluttony has literally nothing to do with the kind of food you eat. You either control your stomach or your stomach controls you.

Vanity? We don't eat meat because it flatters our ego. We eat meat because it's available and because it's delicious and rich in nutrients and protein.

God is okay with eating meat, if you're not, do whatever you like.

I think I'm much more concerned about the conditions of living of domesticated animals than the way they're killed. The pain of butcher's killing is nothing compared to the way they're killed in nature, but being forced to live in cramped indoor spaces sounds like hell.

>>705042

>Eating meat is on par with animal abuse, might as well rape them.

>Keeping children locked against their will in school is child abuse, might as well rape them.

Liberals and atheists will never create a moral society. You're that idiotic to claim that eating meat is equivalent to having a sexual fetish for killing and raping animals.

You have no concept of order nor right and wrong.

>this guy comparing raping a puppy to death with a baseball bat, to killing and eating and animal

SDAs are the worst

>>705157

>Eating meat in the modern era is vanity and gluttony

What? Even people I know in third world hellholes who aren't starving on the regular anyway can get meat with no problems. What are you even talking about my man.

Don't listen to these limp-wristed leftist pussies OP, it is a good and pious thing to make imprecatory prayers for the wicked

>>705157

If you don't eat meat you will become a soyboy, which will lead to actual sins. Be careful.