>In short, God cannot be God unless He first becomes a devil. We cannot go to heaven unless we first go to hell. We cannot become God's children until we first become the children of the devil. All that God speaks and does the devil has to speak and do fir

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Christanon 09/21/18 (Fri) 05:52:26 ced139 No.704510

>In short, God cannot be God unless He first becomes a devil. We cannot go to heaven unless we first go to hell. We cannot become God's children until we first become the children of the devil. All that God speaks and does the devil has to speak and do first…. The godless do not go to hell without first having gone to heaven. They do not become the devil's children until they have first been the children of God.

WA 31, 249-250

>To summarize, the devil does not become and is not a devil without first having been God…. For what the devil speaks and does must first have been said and done by God.

WA 31, 250-251

Can anyone with any understanding of Luther and Lutheran theology explain these to me? Cause if the meaning is the plain and simple meaning, these seem both contradictory and evil

Christanon 09/21/18 (Fri) 07:29:14 039fec No.704524

>>704510

>God becomes a

>becomes

God is immutable, he doesn't become or change. Ignoring this obvious point I think Luther is trying to say that no one (other than God) is purely one nature, the saints were previous sinners, sinners were once innocent babes, devils were angels, etc,

Christanon 09/21/18 (Fri) 10:31:12 22dfbf No.704530

I'm not Lutheran.

I want to be generous and assume that Luther meant that it is by going through the darkest depths of sin that we can appreciate the beauty and brightness of the grace of God. Indeed, Irenaeus of Lyons had a similar argument - that God let us fall into sin at first so that we may know what separation from God is like, and so fully appreciate reunion with Him.

But Luther was, well, Luther. So he probably meant something absolutely stupid, as usual.

Christanon 09/21/18 (Fri) 12:48:51 89a227 No.704552

Luther was insane and maentally ill.