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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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f1d62a  No.704478

It's starting to supplant Catholicism. The thing that makes it really bad is that it's the Oneness sects that are really growing. If they were the Trinitarian kind of Pentecostals then it wouldn't be as bad, it still would be bad, just not THAT bad. But unfortunately people find the Modalist heresy really attractive down there. Why? What is going on?

3a47d8  No.704482

Brazil was always catholic as Mexico. In other words, a lot of people identified as Catholic and were part of the community in general, but not really concerned with it.


21aaba  No.704501

Because it's easy and brainless and gives an immediate dopamine hit when you're surrounded by people who induce a religious hysteria with their charismatic BS. It takes no effort and rather than having to understand your faith they actively discourage people from reading and actually understanding the Bible. You just go, listen to some shitty rock music, wave your hands in the air and talk about how great it is you're "saved" then go back to your ordinary life and put in zero effort to actually follow Christs commands.


20ec18  No.704503

It plays heavily on emotions which is why it's attractive to women and mutts/negros.

I've witnessed it in the Catholic charismatic movement myself. They take a teenage girl and play sad/emotional music, surround her by people (called a "prayer team") and have them talk in her ear saying shit to try and get a reaction. When she starts breaking down and sobbing they all congratulate and hug her and tell her it's the Holy Spirit.

I'm a Catholic myself and I can see this shit is predatory/manipulative.


145506  No.704504

>>704478

They have largely not abandoned their pagan traditions and have just syncretized them with Christianity, so a church with no set doctrine+a ton of wild mysticism is attractive. See: Voudon, Santeria, and Santa Muerte


8458c1  No.704514

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>>704482

>>704504

^This a thousand times. For example: Coco, in terms of expression of worldview, is one of the most blatantly pagan movies ever made, and is precisely the product of this phenomenon.


1b958a  No.704515

South Americans are poorly educated, which causes them to fall for these things. Really sad honestly, most of them fall for televangelist tier Christianity.


7c9a9d  No.704531

>>704514

Quick rundown on Coco?


8458c1  No.704571

>>704531

TL:DW (Spoilerrific, if you care):

>Basic plot is your garden variety "I've gotta follow my dreams! Even if I face resistance from my family!" In this case "I've gotta be a musician! Even though my family disapproves!"

>Movie centers around The Day of the Dead: pretty much Halloween - Latin American Edition, including all the pagan baggage that goes with it.

>House has Christian cross on wall, but plot mainly centers around what dominates the family's entire room, it's "Ofrenda": basically a pagan ancestor worship altar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ofrenda

>Hijinks ensue, and protagonist, Miguel, gets accidentally sucked into the land of the dead during the Day of the Dead celebrations. He can see and be seen by the Dead, but can no longer be seen or interact with the living.

>During the course of his adventures in the land of the dead, finds out the musician he idolizes and inspired him to become a musician in the first place (and thought was his great-great-grandfather) is a fraud and actually murdered the man who wrote his songs and taught him to play guitar.

>Turns out said murdered man, Hector, is Miguel's real great-great-grandfather, and is desperately trying to get into the land of the living during The Day of the Dead festival, but can't, due to his photograph not being placed on the family's Ofrenda out of spite, due to being perceived as leaving the family behind for the music biz (was actually trying to return to family, before being murdered.)

>Actually shows shanty town in the land of the dead full of people who can't get out due to not having photos on their family's Ofrendas. One character here is finally completely forgotten by his family and literally fades away into oblivion/annihilation. Hector says (roughly paraphrased from my memory) "We have no idea where they go. It's a fate that awaits all of us eventually when we are forgotten by our families."

>Movie wraps up in a pseudo happy ending when Miguel gets Coco, his great-great-grandfather's daughter to snap out of her dementia stupor and remember Hector, and the fact that he always sent her songs and poems and made time for her even in his travels. This, combined with Miguel's testimony, restores Hector's reputation; he is placed on the family's Ofrenda and is able to cross over and visit Coco (who herself has passed away); and he is remembered as the real greatest musician of Mexico by the town, while his murderer is defamed and forgotten. Miguel is allowed to become a musician by his family because of Hector's restored reputation.

>Completely brushes the dark undertones of the afterlife under the carpet (to be discussed more below.)

Pagan themes:

>Ancestor worship.

>Your deeds/fame/remembrance by your family/village/others is your "immortality."

>Literally acknowledges that the above is temporal and all are eventually doomed to, at best, an ambiguous final death, and at worst, outright annihilationism upon being completely forgotten in physical reality.

>Basically spits in the face of the concept of the true immortality of the Christian afterlife, as well as living a life for Christ that goes beyond the pursuit of fame and approval from your family/society.


8458c1  No.704582

>>704571

Almost forgot amongst the Pagan themes:

>Deals with forgiveness, but not in the true "Father forgive them" sense.

>Hector is only forgiven when his family finds out he wasn't such a bad guy after all. Until then, they spitefully doom him to early annihilation by excluding him from the Ofrenda.

>Hector's murderer, Ernesto, is not forgiven and is doomed to annihilation by being forgotten by the town.


0f95cc  No.704588

>>704478

>It's starting to supplant Catholicism

Well that’s what Catholicism get for having papal bulls and decrees that are contradictory to the Bible and not accepting sola scriptura. Even Mexicans can see this


c64396  No.704618


e27c85  No.704624

>>704588

Plot twist: This is actually a Catholic using a proxy.

I mean come on, no prot would fall for this, right?

>Mexicans leaving Catholicism is a sign!

>first post in the thread is about how they were never catholic

>further posts is about how they kept Pagan practices even after being introduced to the Bible


8458c1  No.704679

>>704478

>Does a double take of OP picture.

>Sees cross within crown icon at top that is associated with Freemasonry and other spinoffs.

Oh my…


a3f0bc  No.704722

>>704478

It's growing because of 1 thing:

Prosperity Theology.

Everyone believes someone that says you will be rich if you follow his religion.


7c3ffa  No.704738

>>704722

I agree that the prosperity gospel is horrendous, but from what I've seen it's not the type of charismatic movement that is currently growing. At least here in the states anyway.


6c2d46  No.704847

>>704478

>The thing that makes it really bad is that it's the Oneness sects that are really growing.

agreed.

>unfortunately people find the Modalist heresy really attractive down there. Why? What is going on?

Interdasting, though all you'll get from /christian/ is hurr-duur answers predicated on the answerer's anti-pentecostal/protestant fervor


6de71d  No.704871

>>704478

I don't think Modalism is the big draw, strikes me a bit above their interest level. If this is happening as you say it is, I think the weird ceremony, faith healing and all that are the main attractants. It sort of fits in with the residual hedge paganism that you see around down there, as per >>704504. Also the replacement of traditional Catholic ceremony for the newer forms might have something to do with it as well.

>>704847

>all you'll get from /christian/ is hurr-duur answers predicated (etc)

You have a number of people who are into the "nuts and bolts" of things…but a number of posters, even if they are traditionalists, may not be up for that. I mean it's not like we have threads every day here on the mysteries of various traditions…although they are welcome when they do appear.




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