How can the Church determine who is a Saint?

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How can the Church determine who is a Saint? Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 10:53:05 b5a424 No.704150

The Catholic and Orthodox churches claim that you cannot know for sure if someone is saved. In the end it's all up to God. So how can they determine who is a Saint? Since saints are in heaven.

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 11:05:02 e697c8 No.704154

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>>704150

I am waiting for the OCA to pronounce St Dmitri of Dallas.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/dallas-saint-dmitri/

https://russian-faith.com/people/miracle-american-orthodox-bishops-body-did-not-decay-after-5-years-burial-dallas-n952

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 11:11:34 580c4e No.704158

It's other way around. Church doesn't say that someone is damned. But she can say of someone is Saint.

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 12:08:54 5fe227 No.704173

>>704150

God confirms it to them through post death miracles. The bodies of the apostles did the same so we are going off of this. The person is then also judged on how they lived their lives did they follow the teachings, did they help people even ignoring their own well being for the good of others, so on. Also if they died as a martyr they get some special treatment.

Sainthood is more of a title really sort of like being knighted.

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 12:52:09 05e8ec No.704177

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How do prots know what the canon is if they don't have a table of contents written by an apostle, and all they have is church tradition of present the scriptures as they are?

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 13:34:06 30626c No.704184

> The Catholic and Orthodox churches claim that you cannot know for sure if someone is saved

Are you implying that Protestants DO know who is saved?

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 13:48:56 72d0db No.704192

>>704177

The trust in the inspired word of Luther (pbuh)

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 14:26:57 b5a424 No.704203

>>704184

>Are you implying that Protestants DO know who is saved?

Well many of them claim to be saved…but I just used those two as an example because it's what I know best. I guess it also applies to Oriental Orthodox?

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 15:25:16 e50b51 No.704229

>>704184

How did you come to the conclusion that he said that?

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 22:41:50 188e21 No.704362

>>704150

Anyone who truly believes on the Lord Jesus alone and not in themselves is already a saint. That said, only the person in question can ever truly know if they are saved or not and have eternal life (1 John 5:13), nobody else can know. Judge not lest ye be judged (Matthew 7:1). However, if someone does no good works at all (the Holy Ghost would compel them if they had faith) we can reasonably say they are probably not saved/true believers (James 2:14)

Christanon 09/21/18 (Fri) 17:03:42 59fad1 No.704656

>>704150

It boils down to miracles.

If one can pray for intercession to a person who is assumed (but not confirmed) to be in heaven, and a miracle results from it, it can be reasonably assumed that the person is in communion with god in heaven.

>The Catholic and Orthodox churches claim that you cannot know for sure if someone is saved

You cannot know for sure whether you're saved…until you get there. You also cannot know that someone is damned, as there is always the possibility that a person who is not demonstrably in heaven may be in purgatory on his way to heaven.