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Speaking as someone who once did quite a lot of psychedelics (not as much as some, more than many others), I'll give my two cents.

The hallucinations of 'entities' (as they are collectively known on the parts of the internet dedicated to psychedelics) is quite a rare experience - most DMT trips are very intense and hard to describe, made even harder by the fact that the experience is extremely fleeting. It fades as a dream does, and people are often left afterwards exclaiming "WOW OMG that was absolutely CRAZY, I SAW…uh…". It really does leave you that fast, and most people are thus left with bits and pieces of the trip. From those bits and pieces, they reconstruct a trip either with bits of imagination, or by making a composite of many trips to create a sort of narrative, or 'trip report', if you will. Terrence Mckenna admitted to doing the latter in at least one of his talks I remember listening to.

The other thing about these drugs is the culture that permeates them. Very very few people have any sort of psychedelic experience without some preconceived notion of what is about to happen. Most of the time these notions come from the leftist hippy-dippy culture, which popularly subscribes to Eastern pagan/New Age myths. These of course include reincarnation and pantheism. If you read some of the earliest reported psychedelic trips (such as that of Albert Hoffman when he first ingested LSD), aside from the kaleidoscopic colors they include none of the things most people talk about nowadays - indeed, Hoffman himself was convinced he had been cursed by his neighbor, who of course had to be a witch to cause such delusions and hallucinations to happen to him, and didn't have his anxiety relieved until a he had a doctor make an emergency house call to check on him.

The point is, the experience differs wildly from person-to-person. However, if each of those persons is part of a similar background (I.e. hippy New-age beliefs), its easy for them to ascribe the chaotic visuals and intense emotional states as support for their preconceived spiritual ideas.

I don't believe these drugs actually let you 'see' demons, but I do believe they weaken your mind and leave you susceptible to demonic influences.

>>701953

I kind of rambled - in my first paragraph I started by saying seeing entities is rare. I should have then briefly mentioned that most people never see such things, and are left merely with dizzying displays of color and metamorphosing perspective shifts as their mins struggles to keep up.

polite sage for double posting.

Oh hey Alex Jones

>>701935

>>701953 is very valuable post as well.

For me, I hypothesise that on top of the most people who do it being atheistic liberal types, the fact that these psyhedelics are used for viewing the inner machenism of consciousness, it shows more about the people using it rather than the substance itself, which I do not maintain is evil at all.

>>701935

>Why would a substance give us the ability to see demons?

I would argue its not linked to the substance itself.

Oh by the way.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

>Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

>>702159

We don't see, angels, or demons even if they exist.

>>702159

That image is incorrect. The word for serpent, “nachash”, just means serpent. SOME are referred to as being “saraf”, or “burning”, which may or may not mean “shining” in context. Most instances of nachash in the OT do not occur alongside saraf.

>>702163

>We don't see, angels, or demons even if they exist.

>even if they exist.

please go away

>>701935

Similar thing to what happen with so called astral projection.

You go into the astral/intermediate world, the aerial illusory world of the spirits of the air. Yeah, demons.

>>702419

Personally I'm pretty sure the "astral plane" is the air/second heaven that the Devil and his servants reside in.

Ephesians 2:1–2 (ESV)

2 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—

>>702462

Also, this connects with the "Arial Toll House" concept.

>>702496

>There was some study where they gave Tibetan monks some LSD and it didn't cause anything since they are already on another level.

You're partially right, but the monks aren't on a 24/7 acid trip where they live in two realms.

<As a human being we consists of different layers (called `Koshas` in yogic tradition ) namely : 1 . The physical body, 2. the energy running through the body, 3. the mind, 4. Intelligence 5. Your pure consciousness or bliss body.

<Drugs like LSD play with the first three layers . A meditator learns how to become more aware and identified with the deeper layers of his Being : the intelligence and the pure consciousness .

<So while the body and mind are messed up with by the drug , there stays this awareness about it , the observer within, which is not affected by the drug at all. It is like watching the mind and body tripping but the part of him that is observing that, is completely sober.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-LSD-doesnt-affect-Buddhist-monks

>if you want to be able to talk the higher beings, you have to open up your pineal gland in the proper way.

Terrible idea to try and communicate with anything that isn't of God or his servants. Most Daemons have been around longer than people, and they know how to manipulate others, and might try to screw you some how. And many spirits might trick you and say they are of God, but aren't look at how Muhammad met "Gaberial" or whatever

>>701935

Anyone who a fan of joe rogen a faggot

>>702680

Vid related

>>702528

I agree it is a terrible idea to talk to evil things but you have to decalcify your pineal gland in order to talk to God or

his Angels. There is a concentrated effort by evil people to block your connection to anything higher by poisoning your body with heavy metals. There is a reason why back in Christ's day and before, there was much more spiritual stuff happening, both good or bad.

I always cringe when people say to believe in God "you just need faith and no science lol". Many people think that religion and science are two separate things but they go hand in hand. You need to actively change your body in order to be on another level and communicate with God

>>702901

>decalcify your pineal gland

This makes sense. It also explains why (((they)) put fluoride in our water.

>>703031

It's a by-product from mining. Mining companies pay people to talk about how it's good for teeth, then they no longer have to pay to dispose of it properly, and on top of that we pay them for it.

Reincarnation used to be in the Bible :) However the reason these winnie the poohtards believe in it, is because they need something to keep going. Their lives are shit, hence the drugs so they daydream about another life instead of getting off their fat asses and making something of this one. You don't need any religion to know you shouldn't listen to drug users and government agents.

>>702873

>Of course it's happening inside your head. That doesn't mean it's not real.

- Gandalf the Grey