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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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584a39  No.701801

Plato or Aristotle?

e6416d  No.701803

Plato and Plotinus


e9863e  No.701814

>>701803

This. Honestly the whole Neo-Platonic tradition, when corrected with Christianity, is just beautiful.


6ceaec  No.701819

>>701814

You realize neo-platonism and its superstitions are a major influence on kabbalism and the philosophies based on kabbalism like ultraorthodox judaism and freemasonry (kabbalah for gentiles)?


eacded  No.701820

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Plato. Neo-Platonism is indeed for fags, though.


e9863e  No.701824

>>701819

I have absolutely no interest in what the Jews or the Masons do, or where they take their lessons from. I look at Neo-Platonism as just a progression of Platonism which I love, and it's contemplation and asceticism is beautiful to me. Whoever comes and abuses these systems isn't a concern.


3c647f  No.701863

>>701820

How to ruin a meme : the picture.


2bb8c1  No.701866

>>701801

Orthodoxy is Platonism and Catholicism is Aristotelianism. Protestantism varies.

>>701819

You’re half-right. That Kabbalah Masonry voodoo garbage is based on Gn*sticism, and the gn*stics based their beliefs on Platonism. The actual Neoplatonics argues against the Gn*stics and said they were perverting the true teachings of Plato. Ultimately, they were right when you look at the teachings. They perverted Platonism just as they perverted the scriptures


047b3f  No.701879

>>701801

Aristotle unquestioningly. Plato's forms were refuted by Aristotle. Also Platonism gave rise to many heresies like Origenism and Gnosticism.


a249bd  No.701914

The obvious choice is Diogenes


047b3f  No.701943

>>701914

He used to choke his chicken and defecate in public.


2bb8c1  No.701944

>>701914

>>701943

Orthodoxy for Plato

Catholicism for Aristotle

Protestantism for Diogenes


7dbf46  No.701946

>>701879

> Plato's forms were refuted by Aristotle.

You can't 'refute' the forms aka the 'archetypes' or universals, if you do then you refute thinking itself.

This isn't an idea unique to Plato, Moses was the first to express it in genesis.

"And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds" - – kinds = archetypes = forms


a76a80  No.701949

>>701944

This, though the other two also deserve respect.


e9863e  No.701951

>>701946

I think he means that forms are entirely transcendent. Aristotle is extremely Platonic, except more in the areas relating to forms being immanent in things, therefore the world isn't just an illusion, but is real, and so study of it isn't fruitless. Platonism is idealistic and monistic entirely, and the world is basically just a changing and shifting illusion, even motion in it. Aristotle "refutes" this if you accept his arguments. But he still holds to forms.


047b3f  No.701957

>>701946

This >>701951 Aristotle doesn't separate substance and essence, else, as he notes, the former could never be known and the latter would have no being.


7dbf46  No.701964

>>701951

theres no explicit separation between the forms and material world, the separation exists in the point of view one takes, but in monism the world is necessarily "one" structure, one entity, the illusion aspect refers to the illusory point of view we take towards the One Reality, not that there are two worlds, one real and one illusory…that's not monism


a249bd  No.701973

>>701943

>>701944

It was joke.


3ecc25  No.701980

>>701946

>"Is there, then, a sphere apart from the individual spheres or a house apart from the bricks? Rather we may say that no 'this' would ever have been coming to be, if this had been so, but that the 'form' means the 'such', and is not a 'this'-a definite thing; but the artist makes, or the father begets, a 'such' out of a 'this'; and when it has been begotten, it is a 'this such'. And the whole 'this', Callias or Socrates, is analogous to 'this brazen sphere', but man and animal to 'brazen sphere' in general. Obviously, then, the cause which consists of the Forms (taken in the sense in which some maintain the existence of the Forms, i.e. if they are something apart from the individuals) is useless, at least with regard to comings-to-be and to substances; and the Forms need not, for this reason at least, be self-subsistent substances. In some cases indeed it is even obvious that the begetter is of the same kind as the begotten (not, however, the same nor one in number, but in form), i.e. in the case of natural products (for man begets man), unless something happens contrary to nature, e.g. the production of a mule by a horse. (And even these cases are similar; for that which would be found to be common to horse and ass, the genus next above them, has not received a name, but it would doubtless be both in fact something like a mule.) Obviously, therefore, it is quite unnecessary to set up a Form as a pattern (for we should have looked for Forms in these cases if in any; for these are substances if anything is so); the begetter is adequate to the making of the product and to the causing of the form in the matter. And when we have the whole, such and such a form in this flesh and in these bones, this is Callias or Socrates; and they are different in virtue of their matter (for that is different), but the same in form; for their form is indivisible.

>Metaphysics, 7.1033b, Aristotle


1b5f54  No.702007

Both


863435  No.702475

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They were both super gay.


e9863e  No.702493

>>702475

Aristotle most certainly wasn't, ga




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