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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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f7e2f5  No.701462

So, since statues in catholicism aren't meant to be worshiped, are they just decorations?

18ac42  No.701464


f7e2f5  No.701465

>>701464

Both what?


71cab7  No.701467

the kabba is just a decoration for Saudis to make money off of, go wash your nose out.


e2d503  No.701468

>>701467

>>701464

im curious to op’s question. why cant you answer seriously?


71cab7  No.701473

>>701468

why would we throw our pearls before literal swine?


f7e2f5  No.701474

>>701473

I'm literally human.


8d2884  No.701477

>>701462

They are the expressions of our worship through handiwork and mastery of craft devoted to His work and His glory.


2eebf0  No.701479

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>>701477

not only this, but if they are anything like icons they are windows into the spiritual world, they are meant to be seen through, they are not "art" at all, but they are tools for contemplative/meditative practice

>>701474

step your game up


ef40de  No.701602

When you look at a photograph of someone you love, the feelings that you have are not for the physical material and ink but for what they represent as a window to that person. It's the same thing with statues, icons, paintings in catholicism, remember that Catholics are realists not nominalists


1568f7  No.701604

>>701479

Catholics and Oriental Orthodox don't have a serious theology of icons like Eastern Orthodox do. It's a very Byzantine thing honestly. Statuees and icons are much more like "art" than tools of contemplation.

But statues remain holy since what they depict is holy, and breaking a statue is blasphemy and desecration. And they're still there to remind us that the saints are alive and well and praying with us.


2c4764  No.701607

>>701462

They are reminders. Kind of like 3D icons.


cf214a  No.701615

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>>701462

They adopted the practice from the Carpocrates

>Marcellina [one of the leaders of carpocrates], who came to Rome under Anicetus, and, holding these doctrines, she led multitudes astray.

>They style themselves Gnostics. They also possess images, some of them painted, and others formed from different kinds of material; while they maintain that a likeness of Christ was made by Pilate at that time when Jesus lived among them.

>They crown these images, and set them up along with the images of the philosophers of the world that is to say, with the images of Pythagoras, and Plato, and Aristotle, and the rest. They have also other modes of honouring these images, after the same manner of the Gentiles.

Of course cathodoxes would say they are not "worshiping" these images, rather "venerate" or "adore" them. Well, Carpocrates describe their idolatry as "honoring" their people and It is written that "Thou shalt not adore them [images], nor serve them[images]: I am the Lord thy God, mighty…"

This isn't the first time was pointed out, when the Eastern churches formed a synod (which later become titled the second council of Nicaea) to deal with the iconoclast controversy, the majority basically said 'if you use Exodus 20:5 against us, then you're a Jew.' rather than intellectual exegesis.

As for the martyrdom of Polycarp

>Marcellina led multitudes of Roman Christians astray

>Roman Christians do what we would expect if Irenaeus of Lyon is correct

>You think this is a rebuttal when you're proving our point.

Cope


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