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The older I've gotten the more respect I have for young earth creationists. I used to mock them during my edgy atheist phase but now I understand the cancer of modernism I'm inclined to agree with them. If you're going to be Christian then you might as well go all the way and trust the Bible completely. What difference does it make whether you believe in science or the Bible? The only reason people try to be old earth creationists is so they don't get made fun of by their atheist friends, but I couldn't care less what atheists think nowdays. Screw them, the Bible is right.

>>700151

Most people are neither intelligent, impartial, nor wise. Unfortunately, this can only mean that the effects of Original Sin take hold of even the humblest Christian. I posit that each of those traits is independent and together account for all the madness, when combined with the reality that positions of authority on religious matters are a complete free-for-all.

Here is some advice from St. Augustine:

>Now, it is a disgraceful and a dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh [the faith] to scorn.

>If they [non-believers] find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods and on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason?

>>700151

I can't answer your question, but search for Kent Hovind for details on Creationism

This has always stumped me but for different reasons. Does it really matter if the age of the earth is in the thousands or billions? Is this a must to believe in order for your salvation? What happened In genesis is over and done with. I believe we should instead look for the messeges in the Bible to be good Christians instead of technicality of how old is the earth. So to answer your question, it doesn’t matter either way. Don’t think about what happened then, think about how to serve God now.

>>700151

Because masons under control of the jews put chemicals in the water to make the Christians dumb turning them into young earth creationists. They then voted for Trump because he was 70 years old (7 days of creation times 10) who furthered the jewish zionist plot of world domination.

tldr: the jews did it

Because sin only makes sense with a literal Adam. Paul certainly believed in Adam. If Adam existed, and if the creation account is 7 literal days (and it really is literal) then the Earth can only be several thousand years old, because we have a direct lineage from Christ to Adam.

Personally I couldn't care less how long it took for God to make the world. So long as we assume that God created the earth at all, the length of time it took and when it took place isn't very important.

>>700175

Augustine's logic doesn't hold up because it's pretty much a fact that Christianity is meant to be addressed to everybody, from the rich to the poor, and from the geniuses to the idiots. There will be idiots that need Christ and when they convert, they will continue to be idiots while sharing the gospels or at least trying to share the gospels.

Those who would not listen on account of the stupidity of Christian idiots still have no excuse, for they sinned in laughing at idiots rather than understand that yes, they're dealing with idiots that don't possess the means to intellectually comprehend what they're talking about. You don't get to tell God, "Sorry, but 80% of your people were idiots that brought scorn on your religion, so I didn't believe them."

If a moron told you the sky was blue, would you laugh and disbelieve him because he lacked the vocabulary or mental processing power to explain it to you? Therefore, all we can do as Christians with better mental acuity is keep marching on and powering through the BS.

>>700151

>all Americans are the same

Mm hmm.

>when the church fathers were smarter than 21st century kids with all the knowledge in the world at their finger tips.

Ah Americans.

>>700408

The existence of Adam is a dogma but doesn't imply at all the 7 day creation. If most church fathers didn't believe in a literal 7 day creation why should I take pastor Anderson word for it?

>>700408

There was some post cap that I saw that said universal creation was normalized to seven days but relativistic forces on spacetime mean it's not in the same frame we would be familiar with. Basically from our point of view one day would be a billion years or something like that, even though within the local laws of physics it is actually one day. Kind of like how there are theoretically pockets in the present universe where the speed of light is not constant.

>>700491

The Fathers believed in a literal Genesis (although with additional layers). Read St. Basil's Hexameron.

>>700521

Saingt Augustine believe in metaphorical 6 six of creation as he says in the city of God. As for the rest he takes genesis literally and so do I.

>>700190

>>700528

You reject the biblical truth of the Lord's mass, because you believe that those who present the arguments have nothing to say.

>>700803

OP has two instances of the word "some"

>>700151

>thousand year-old war over some words about the Spirit

and

>I kinda forlornly hope there might be some in the Church

There is zero indication that OP believes anything but that all American Christians are young earth creationists. We aren't.

Didn't you get the memo? Everybody before puritans and evagelicals in America got the creation account wrong.

>>700151

Brainlets insist on the 7-day creation because they aren't truly saved. Once you humble yourself and believe in the Lord Jesus, the Spirit of Truth will dwell in you.

The fool saith in his heart, there is no God. Stupid people cannot be saved.