Baptism not needed for salvation.

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Baptism not needed for salvation. Christanon 09/09/18 (Sun) 00:14:24 770155 No.698596

You do not need to be baptized to be saved. Please keep this thread just about baptism and how it relates to salvation, so not about other works or communion.

There's pretty much only 3 verses I've seen people use to try to say you need to be baptized, I'll debunk all three.

Mark 16:15

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

This verse does not say what happens to a person that belivees and is not baptized, only someone that believes and is baptized and someone that does not believe. Let's say Person A believes and is baptized, Person B believes and is not baptized, and Person C does not believe. According to this verse A goes to Heaven and C goes to Hell, but says nothing about B. According to John 3:36 "He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him." Person A and B go to Heaven and C goes to Hell.

John 3:5

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

They will say being "born of water" is being baptized. No, being born of water is being physically born, and they will usually leave out verse 6 "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." which Jesus compares being born of water with being born of the flesh, and being born of the spirit with being born of the spirit.

1 Peter 3:21

The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

They will take the part where it says "baptism doth also now save us" and say that proves it, but no, it's "The like figure" that saves us, not baptism. And the like figure is the death, burial, and ressurection of Christ. Colossians 2:12 12 "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead."

Christanon 09/09/18 (Sun) 00:25:04 591f65 No.698598

I'm glad to see that not all Baptists have left /christian/, dissent leads to lively discussion. Sage for off-topic.

Christanon 09/09/18 (Sun) 00:55:25 85e02c No.698606

>>698596

>1 Peter 3:21

This kills the baptist.

Also,

>calls themselves baptists

>can't even get baptism right

lmao

Christanon 09/09/18 (Sun) 01:18:27 f8f294 No.698610

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>le satanic car salesman

Christanon 09/09/18 (Sun) 02:09:09 ba871f No.698632

>>698606

>Being this illiterate

It literally says that water is symbolic and it's having a clear conscience toward God is what saves a believer

>Sprinkling is right correct baptism

Christanon 09/09/18 (Sun) 02:14:44 9c638f No.698634

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>this kills the Baptist

Christanon 09/09/18 (Sun) 02:52:34 5e474d No.698651

>Mark 16:15

>He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

It is necessary to Believe and Baptize.

If you miss either one, for example, if you lack believe then you won't be saved.

>This verse does not say what happens to a person that belivees and is not baptized, only someone that believes and is baptized and someone that does not believe.

If that was the case it would not have said "believe and be baptized" but only "believe".

Christanon 09/10/18 (Mon) 17:54:20 380749 No.699285

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>>698634

> 1st pic

> use water… for purpose of renewing or establishing a relationship w. God

wat

Christanon 09/10/18 (Mon) 18:50:12 e9dbe0 No.699313

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>>699289

Muslim pls go

Christanon 09/10/18 (Mon) 21:24:51 a37713 No.699364

>>698651

John 3:36 says nothing of baptism.

Christanon 09/11/18 (Tue) 12:33:33 26dffd No.699645

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." John 3:5

🤔

Christanon 09/11/18 (Tue) 13:16:55 0d1671 No.699666

>>699645

It's not complicated but people squirm when they're told they have to manifestly do something to be saved

Christanon 09/18/18 (Tue) 16:59:07 b587aa No.703402

Even if that were true, which I don't agree with due to

>>699645,

why wouldn't you? Even if you don't NEED to to get saved, it brings you closer to God.

>>699666

worrisome trips

Christanon 09/18/18 (Tue) 17:12:56 3eb305 No.703404

>This verse does not say what happens to a person that belivees and is not baptized, only someone that believes and is baptized and someone that does not believe.

>being born of water is being physically born

> it's "The like figure" that saves us, not baptism.

This is what baptists actually believe.

Christanon 09/18/18 (Tue) 19:41:36 e75e1e No.703497

>>699666

Works-based salvation? Thanks satan.

Saving faith LEADS to good works. Good works don't get you to heaven.

I once had a Mormon tell me that the thief on the cross went to Jesus in paradise because he must've been baptized beforehand.

Christanon 09/18/18 (Tue) 19:51:38 1006fd No.703502

This argument every day until you beat it!

>Father tells you to do the dishes

>Father tells you to turn the lights off later on

>Bappy totally a human name you guys, also accurate representation of baptists only does the dishes

>But what about the times I told you to turn off the lights?

>Well I only turned off the lights because you didn't always tell me to turn off the lights, just sometimes.

Christanon 09/18/18 (Tue) 19:56:56 e75e1e No.703506

>>703502

God is not a human father. God loves his adopted children unconditionally with a perfect love. We should be baptized because it is commanded of us, not because if we don't God will disown us. Was the thief on the cross baptized?

Christanon 09/18/18 (Tue) 21:49:35 b15698 No.703525

>>703506

I don't know, do you know he wasn't?

Christanon 09/19/18 (Wed) 00:11:39 e75e1e No.703559

>>703525

Imagine being someone who, one day, realizes Jesus is Lord and believes on him. Moments later, you are killed by a car. Did you need to be baptized to go to heaven?

Christanon 09/19/18 (Wed) 02:15:00 1006fd No.703591

>>703506

>God is not a human father

This isn't going to answer me is it

>We should be baptized because it is commanded of us, not because if we don't God will disown us.

Oh

Okay time to leave.

Christanon 09/19/18 (Wed) 02:50:26 b15698 No.703603

>>703559

Don't know, pretty sure it's yes since the baptism of the spirit is supposed to be a big deal.

Christanon 09/19/18 (Wed) 03:43:32 3eb305 No.703615

>>703559

Baptism by desire

Christanon 09/20/18 (Thu) 13:29:51 8923d2 No.704182

Been away for a year and baptists are still allowed to post anti-Christ stuff here?