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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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8be7a2  No.698026

I’ve heard it touted by Catholics on this board before, is it in the catechism though? The doctrine is basically

>Hell is total separation from God

>God doesn’t send people to to Hell, they send themselves to Hell

Any sources?

1dd66f  No.698031

>>698026

Just by virtue of being born, you are condemned to Hell. God doesn't send you to Hell, God saves you from Hell; but you have to start the process.


72c2da  No.698033

>>698031

>Just by virtue of being born

I think you mean due to the original sin, that's not because you're born.


241397  No.698046

>>698031

>Just by virtue of being born, you are condemned to Hell

What on earth? That sounds ridiculous


1dd66f  No.698052

>>698033

>>698046

“None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” Romans 3:10-12


8be7a2  No.698055

>>698031

>>698033

>>698046

>>698052

Thank you, but I just want to know what the Vatican says in this specific case


241397  No.698073

>>698052

Because we have fallen short of the glory of God, not because we were born. Being born isn't a sin, that would make God unjust since we had no choice in that.


74d989  No.698081

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Both, the sinner chooses Hell and God sends them there, but interestingly the Catechism (of Trent, by the way. The recent ones are pozzed imo) emphasizes the just deserts of the sinner:

>Those who depart this life sometimes leave behind them children who imitate their conduct, dependents, followers and others who admire and advocate their example, language and actions. Now by all these circumstances the rewards or punishments of the dead must needs be increased, since the good or bad influence of example, affecting as it does the conduct of many, is to terminate only with the end of the world. Justice demands that in order to form a proper estimate of all these good or bad actions and words a thorough investigation should be made. This, however, could not be without a general judgment of all men.

>Moreover, as the character of the virtuous frequently suffers from misrepresentation, while that of the wicked obtains the commendation of virtue, the justice of God demands that the former recover, in the public assembly and judgment of all men, the good name of which they had been unjustly deprived before men.

>Again, as the just and the wicked performed their good and evil actions in this life not without the cooperation of the body, it necessarily follows that these actions belong also to the body as to their instrument. It was, therefore, altogether suitable that the body should share with the soul the due rewards of eternal glory or punishment. But this can only be accomplished by means of a general resurrection and of a general judgment.

>Next, it is important to prove that in prosperity and adversity, which are sometimes the promiscuous lot of the good and of the bad, everything is done and ordered by an all-wise and all-just Providence. It was, therefore, necessary not only that rewards should await the just and punishments the wicked, in the life to come, but that they should be awarded by a public and general judgment. Thus they will become better known and will be rendered more conspicuous to all; and in atonement for the unwarranted murmurings, to which on seeing the wicked abound in wealth and flourish in honours even the Saints themselves, as men, have sometimes given expression, a tribute of praise will be offered by all to the justice and Providence of God. "My feet," says the Prophet, "were almost moved, my steps had well nigh slipped, because I had a zeal on occasion of the wicked, seeing the prosperity of sinners; and a little after: Behold! these are sinners and yet abounding in the world, they have obtained riches; and I said, Then have I in vain justified my heart, and washed my hands among the innocent; and I have been scourged all the day, and my chastisement hath been in the morning." This has been the frequent complaint of many, and a general judgment is therefore necessary, lest perhaps men may be tempted to say that God walketh about the poles of heaven, and regards not the earth.

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/thechurch/catechism/ApostlesCreed07.shtml

If you would like to explore this subject in more detail, I highly recommend the following links:

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2016/11/does-god-damn-you.html

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2016/10/how-to-go-to-hell_29.html

http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2016/12/why-not-annihilation.html




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