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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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2caf46  No.697176

Is it all over for the Episcopal Church? Can they even be called a "church" anymore?

https://religionnews.com/2018/09/04/a-transgender-priest-finds-a-new-life-helping-others-on-the-margins/

961e8b  No.697180

Not unless they get that mentally ill man treatment, they can't be.


ba6ff8  No.697189

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>>697176

It was never a real Church® to begin with.


77be26  No.697215

>>697176

My view is that it's visibly over for you as soon as you start ordaining women, but there's probably some less visible change before that when it's already over.


d831d3  No.697222

>>697215

You mean like with the Catholic Church?


cdeb72  No.697223

>>697176

APOSTOLICS YES!


ceaa84  No.697232

>>697222

The Catholic Church doesn't ordain women.


ec4071  No.697241

It's just the culmination of the moral relativism started by the Reformation. They have caught up and are fully aligned with liberals now.


223e9b  No.697242

>>697223

Since when are Anglicans Apostolics?


cdeb72  No.697243

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>>697242

>Since when are Anglicans Apostolics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglicanism

>Anglicans base their Christian faith on the Bible, traditions of the apostolic Church, apostolic succession ("historic episcopate"), and writings of the Church Fathers.

>Within the prayer books are the fundamentals of Anglican doctrine: the Apostles' and Nicene creeds, the Athanasian Creed (now rarely used), the scriptures (via the lectionary), the sacraments, daily prayer, the catechism and apostolic succession in the context of the historic threefold ministry.

>The faith of Anglicans is founded in the Scriptures and the Gospels, the traditions of the Apostolic Church, the historical episcopate, the first four ecumenical councils,[13] and the early Church Fathers (among these councils, especially the premier four ones,[13] and among these Fathers, especially those active during the five initial centuries of Christianity, according to the quinquasaecularist principle proposed by the English bishop Lancelot Andrewes and the Lutheran dissident Georg Calixtus).

>All provinces of the Anglican Communion consist of dioceses, each under the jurisdiction of a bishop. In the Anglican tradition, bishops must be consecrated according to the strictures of apostolic succession, which Anglicans consider one of the marks of Catholicity.

>Bishops, who possess the fullness of Christian priesthood, are the successors of the Apostles. Primates, archbishops and metropolitans are all bishops and members of the historical episcopate who derive their authority through apostolic succession – an unbroken line of bishops that can be traced back to the 12 apostles of Jesus.


846442  No.697249

Anglicanism was a mistake.


d831d3  No.697282

>>697232

>but there's probably some less visible change before that when it's already over.


1d525a  No.697284

Remind me, was it two Episcopal priests who were caught having sex in Miami Beach this week?


92655f  No.697288

Also, literally working in a refuge for the homeless and still staying in his original marriage.

Even Rome would say a man who took on the appearance of a woman would still be a priest. You want to slam us, slam the awful, "be nice" preaching. Slam the liberal "Did He really resurrect?" people. Don't slam this. This priest isn't a hypocrite.


cb22cc  No.697327

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>mfw


cb22cc  No.697332

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>>697243

Anglicans lost their Apostolic Succession when their priests started affirming blatant heresy, which started pretty much immediately after Henry VIII died.

>tfw your denomination literally started when a man got mad that the Pope wouldn't annul his completely legal marriage on which there were no grounds whatsoever for annulment under Canon Law

>tfw one of your founders (Thomas Cranmer) literally denounced the Anglican faith in the hopes that he would get to keep his job

>tfw reform never needed to happen in England at all because the largest problems reformers spoke out about against the medieval church never occurred in England

>tfw you still somehow expect anyone to take your denomination seriously

If you want Apostolic succession and to be taken seriously so badly, just get in communion with Rome, Constantinople, or Alexandria. Stop trying to act like literally anything good has come out of going your own way.

Pic related perfectly describes you. The kid on the left in the Anglican Communion, and the guy on the right is real Apostolic Christianity. You're wannabes and frauds, and you need to quit while you're ahead.


b8eecf  No.697334

>>697222

if the Catholic Church is not the true Church, then Jesus Christ lied.


11d1d7  No.697396

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>>697356

There's no point joining any church that denies the real presence of Christ in the eucharist. You might as well join a Bible study club because that's all a Protestant service is in the end, just a guy (usually not even college educated) cherry picking some Bible verses and trying to tie them into whatever the hot button issue is at the time. A valid Christian church requires liturgy, and reverence for the presence of Christ.


d831d3  No.697541

>>697334

>then Jesus Christ lied.

Our Lord Jesus Christ never mentioned the Catholic Church as we know it now. The only Church mentioned in scripture is what is known as the Orthodox Church.


fc49c3  No.697545

>>697541

The Orthodox Church doesn't have the successor of St Peter, the rock on which Christs church was built so try again.


d40bab  No.697548

>>697396

>usually not even college educated

>what is seminary

Are you being completely ignorant on purpose?


54bb03  No.697558

>>697545

Bible never mentions Peter in Rome, or Peter as head of the Church. Nor does it mention anything about Peter's succesor leading the Church. All those speculative details would be with the Church Fathers. There is no Biblical support for Rome whatsoever.


fc49c3  No.697559

>>697548

American Protestant Pastors are not required to go to seminary. Anyone can start their own Church, there are no legal requirements to have any education to be a Pastor.


fc49c3  No.697560

>>697558

>Bible never mentions Peter in Rome

Peter says he's in Rome in 1 Peter. He refers to it as "Babylon". If you deny that then you also deny that Rome is the "Babylon" referred to in Revelation. Quite the dilemma for Protestants.


97549a  No.697562

>>697545

>The Orthodox Church doesn't have the successor of St Peter

Antioch and Alexandria


fc49c3  No.697564

>>697562

That wasn't their position before they became schismatics


d831d3  No.697578

>>697564

>before they became schismatics

I'm sorry, which direction did excommunication come from first? So if one guy storms out of a disagreement and flips off his buddies, it was his buddies that left because they flipped him off back. Is that how Latin logic works?


a69e1f  No.697580

>>697243

Apostolic succession requires a steady line of validly consecrated priests and bishops.

They lost that pretty quickly because of heresies and adaptations to these consecrations.

By the Anglican definition even Lutherans are apostolic, but in fact none are except the Roman Catholics, the Eastern Orthodox and the Orientals.

That's also the reason why Anglican priests/bishops who convert need to either get a new, valid consecration or stop being a priest/bishop.


ec4071  No.697583

>>697562

The unbroken heir to Alexandria left over Chalcedon and is now the Coptic pope. The unbroken lawful heir to Antioch is now in communion with Rome as the Melkite Patriarch.


cdeb72  No.697690

>>697559

But this person claimed they are 'usually not' college-educated, without evidence.


28f292  No.697693

>>697580

By Lutheran definition the Lutherans are apostolic. I'd say the Catholics are just a tad biased about this.

For some reason the Catholics don't claim that the Orthodox have no valid apostolic succession because of rejecting the pope's word on filioque. It would be the same principle.


cb22cc  No.697706

>>697693

Lutherans have never been Apostolic. They gave up Apostolic Succession when they fell into heresy.




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