/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

No.

>LARP with me!

no thx

>when you can't fit in at your local orthodox ethnic club so you make your own by stealing catholic liturgy

lol

>man look at these cool aesthetics its so traditional and mysterious and epic XD

The root of the schismatic "orthodoxy"

Western Rite is LARPing for converts who can't let go of their schismatic past

t. Orthodox

>>694180

>t. Orthodox

Sorry bud, your qualifications are lacking.

>>694159

Sorry to break it to you guys but Western-rite orthodoxy is a meme at best.

I have more chances of going Tewahedo copt and finding a parish than going Western-rite orthodox.

Most converts tend to bind themselves to an existing ethnic church with a traditionally Eastern rite like the Russian or Greek orthodox church.

>>694166

>Everything I don't like is pagan!

I thought Jack Chick died, huh.

>>694180

>Western Rite is LARPing for converts who can't let go of their schismatic past

>Implying that the Tridentine rite differs much from any Eastern rite

Ask me how I know you're a protestant convert or even worse, a protestant-tier catholic convert.

Either way you're the real LARPer here.

>>694190

You're right, it really is just a meme here. Closest WR parish to me is 3 hours, and yet I already drive 1 1/2 hours to my OCA parish. I just can't do 6 hours round trip.

>>694197

>Correlation equals causation

Nice deductive reasoning there.

You do know that that rune is just a letter right?

Except for some symbolism the whole hocus pocus was added later on by pagans.

By the way I also noticed pagans liking forests and groves a lot, I better start burning those trees now, right?

>>694190

Nice assumptions. Let me guess, you're a Mormon-turned-Catholic-turned-Muslim?

I've gone to a Western Rite parish before. They did the Liturgy of St Gregory, aka "let's mess up the Latin Mass and pretend it is reverent". The only people there were ex-Catholics who disliked the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom, and Russians who liked how short the liturgy was.

The Western Rite has literally no reasons to exist, other than to appeal to ecumenists who say "y-you don't need to be Eastern to be Orthodox! Look, we got your fix of Catholic and Anglican stuff if you want!".

Later this year I'm going to be at an anime convention and right down the street from the hotel is a WR church, so I'll certainly be visiting that Sunday!

>>694219

>Correlation equals causation

>Everything I don't like is idolatry!

I guess every crossroad is a pagan temple, who would've thought.

>>694169

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>>694188

holy…i want more. these guys are aesthetic as winniño el poopoo

>>694169

seriously first pic has my aesthetic senses tingling like a madre padre. exit sign kinda ruins it but that's probably building code.

>>694232

Did the filters change or are you just doing that on your own? Great, I have to test it now.

winnie the pooh

motherwinnie the pooher

>>694238

Guess not

>>694238

>>694239

lmao

>>694169

anyone know the meaning of the hebrew letter "dalet" over the icon of christ and the letter "hey" over the icon of the theotokos?

>theologically I am orthodox

>aesthetically I prefer anglo-catholic traditions

ty western rite for existing

>>694190

well it has been growing quite a bit recently, so in the future it will be much less of a meme

>>694209

>Let me guess, you're a Mormon-turned-Catholic-turned-Muslim?

you are pretty close to be honest.

>The Western Rite has literally no reasons to exist

That's like saying the Antiochian Rite has no reason to exist because they're orthodox and you already got the Byzantine Rite.

The West has always had the Tridentine Rite, even though it doesn't differ much from the Byzantine Rite it's different in culture, tradition and language.

>>694247

Well, it would definitely help you guys get rid of the ethnic church meme and ease any non ethnic orthodox converting.

>>694252

Uh? The Antiochians use the Byzantine rite. Easily 90% of Orthodox parishes use the Byzantine rite.

>The West has always had the Tridentine Rite, even though it doesn't differ much from the Byzantine Rite it's different in culture, tradition and language.

And it's not part of Orthodox tradition. Both the Liturgy of St Gregory and the Liturgy of St Tikhon are Frankenstein monsters created to appeal to Western converts, and nothing more (and honestly, they're pretty ugly liturgies - I'd much rather go to a Paul VI Mass or an actual TLM).

>>694257

>Uh? The Antiochians use the Byzantine rite

They got their own rite and depending on which church and jurisdiction will use the Antiochian Rite, like in Syria and diaspora communities.

>And it's not part of Orthodox tradition.

You either claim your church is older than the Schism (and thus also included the West with their own rites) or you just say you created a new one.

>and honestly, they're pretty ugly liturgies - I'd much rather go to a Paul VI Mass or an actual TLM

Look now I know for real you're an orthoLARPer.

Sure you might not like it but calling them actually ugly shows that you know nothing about your own liturgy to begin with.

The main difference between the Tridentine and Eastern rites are the iconostasis, Gregorian chant and the many parts where the priest prays in silence.

The general structure and content stay the same.

I myself sometimes go to a Byzantine rite and although I don't speak a word Ukrainian I know what's going on because it's basically the same.

>>694252

>ease any non ethnic orthodox converting

Watch >>694173 as literally the entire second half of it addresses that exact point.

>>694257

>>694209

>muh feels

Literally that is all you wrote. Nobody cares about your feelings.

>>694264

Ayyy, just a coincidence I guess.

It's just a fact though, entering a church with people you don't know, customs you don't understand and a language you don't speak don't work that well into attracting outsiders.

No, I like being regular Orthodox

>>694262

The Antiochian Orthodox Church uses the Byzantine rite (and some parishes in the US are Western Rite). You're getting them confused with the Syriac Orthodox Church.

>>694262

>You either claim your church is older than the Schism (and thus also included the West with their own rites) or you just say you created a new one.

The West stopped being in communion with the Orthodox Church in the 13th century, and doctrinal separation happened many centuries earlier.

>The main difference between the Tridentine and Eastern rites are the iconostasis, Gregorian chant and the many parts where the priest prays in silence.

>The general structure and content stay the same.

The TLM is fine. The Novus Ordo is fine. The Liturgy of St Gregory is hot garbage, and the Liturgy of St Tikhon is practically stolen from the Anglican "Church".

Obviously the structure remains nearly identical - reading of the OT, epistle, gospel, homily, (here goes the creed for the Western), great entrance, (here goes the creed for the Eastern), anaphora, words of institution, epiklesis, communion, post-communion prayers. I am not talking about the structure though.

>>694265

Wow, nice winnie the pooh rebuttal. I bet you're Western Rite.

Do you not realize that those Western Rite parishes are not in continuity with the Western Christian traditions? They are purely Eastern Orthodox with a Western coat of paint to appeal to converts. I much rather trust the Catholics, even the Eastern Catholics who are in historical continuity with the church they claim to still be, than Western Rite parishes which are basically the Orthodox version of the Anglican Ordinariate.

>>694274

Not much of a rebuttal, most likely because you never stated anything but your own personal opinion. Which in all honesty counts for nothing especially in comparison to two saints who endosed the Western Rite.

BEGOME EASTERN GADOLIG :DDD

>>694166

That's a common design in western vestments. Catholic and Lutheran.

>Julian Calendars

Maybe I'm biased for growing up Orthodox, but western churches (at least modern ones) always look so effeminate, weak and poor. Putting an Orthodox and a western church next to each other is like putting Chad next to a soyboy. I can understand if it's a small parish without its own church when they cannot afford the full aesthetics, but even those look more dignified to me.

>>694197

> Latin letters are pagan

> Greek letters are pagan

I guess you'll have to start using Cyrillic exclusively from now on.

>>694274

>The Antiochian Orthodox Church uses the Byzantine rite (and some parishes in the US are Western Rite). You're getting them confused with the Syriac Orthodox Church.

Like I said it depends on the jurisdiction.

You got the Melkite orthodox church, the Antiochian Greek orthodox church, the Maronite church etc.

The Maronites use the Antiochian rite, both the orthodox and catholic ones.

Of course the Syriac orthodox church uses the same rite, but with some differences.

>The West stopped being in communion with the Orthodox Church in the 13th century, and doctrinal separation happened many centuries earlier.

The rites are much older than that.

>>694394

>You got the Melkite orthodox church, the Antiochian Greek orthodox church, the Maronite church etc.

How confused can one person be?

The Melkites are Catholic. The Maronites are Catholic. The Syriac are Oriental Orthodox. The Antiochian are Eastern Orthodox. You also have the Syriac Catholic.

The Melkite Catholics and the Antiochian Orthodox both do exclusively the Byzantine rite.

>>694394

Also, the TLM is from the counter-reformation and the BCP is from the english reformation. Neither of those are ancient. But they can be nice anyway… However, the Western rite parishes have zero continuity with them - they're just Eastern churches that steal Western traditions, tweak them to be less Western, then claim to have a Western patrimony.

>>694396

Wait wait, seems like I'm a tad confused indeed.

Looks like the orthodox version of the Melkites and Maronites are part of the Antiochian orthodox church.

Still, I know that the Antiochian Rite is used by some of them.

Did you guys really commit a Hellenization with other churches?

>>694397

>Also, the TLM is from the counter-reformation

This is a misconception and a meme.

The Tridentine rite was standardized in 1570 as part of the counter-reformation, but the rite was much older than that.

Other rites could still be used if they could be proven to be older than 200 years (like the Ambrosian and Mozarabic rites).

>the Western rite parishes have zero continuity with them - they're just Eastern churches that steal Western traditions, tweak them to be less Western, then claim to have a Western patrimony.

Seems weird to me that they'd take valid rites and butcher them instead of just being the orthodox version of a Tridentine rite parish.

>>694400

They don't butcher any rites.

http://orthochristian.com/91138.html

>>694159

I talked to two Orthodox ladies yesterday. They mentioned that Western Rite Orthodoxy wasn't real Orthodoxy.

>>694486

I talked to two Orthodox ladies yesterday. They mentioned that Western Rite Orthodoxy was real Orthodoxy.

>>694486

>two Orthodox ladies

This is because in the Orthodox Church is the duty of everyone, including these two ladies, to protect the holy Tradition unchanged. The Encyclical of the Eastern Patriarchs, 1848, says: "neither Patriarchs nor Councils could then have introduced novelties amongst us, because the protector of religion is the very body of the Church, namely (ἤτοι) the people themselves, who desire their religious worship to be ever unchanged and of the same kind as that of their fathers".

Of course, these two ladies have no means to discern which part of the tradition they know is Holy Tradition and which part is just a local custom. Therefore they protect all the tradition they know. When they say the Western Orthodoxy isn't real Orthodoxy they are wrong, but nonetheless it is good that they think in this way. We have to be conservative in these times of liberalism.

There is no such thing in my country.

I live in one of the most Orthodox countries on this planet.

Ask any of my priests and they will likely tell you that western rite is not ok.

>>694535

Also, forgot to state this: I would very very much love to participate in that.

post orthodox memes please im short on supply

Nah. I prefer being Anglo-Catholic

>>694400

The Antiochian, Alexandria, and Jerusalemite churches do not have their own rites anymore. They all use the Byzantine rite of Constantinople now. The Byzantine rite of Holy Rus, which is slightly different, has spread to Eastern Europe as well. So easily 90% of the Orthodox churches use the Byzantine rite in either the Greek or Slavic form.

>>694552

thanks but not sure why you mad

>>694557

memes are the new esoteric means of transporting ideas, gib more pls, i really need em

I thought all the patriarchates hated the western rite. But why?

>>694737

Huh? What do you mean by this?

All current western rite parishes are of some of the patriarchates (mostly Antioch but also ROCOR/Moscow).

>>694166

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>>694219

>algiz rune

>means divine power

>the meeting of heaven and earth

>protection, humanity, family, clan, divine plan beyond human understanding

im not complaining lol.

culchurally appropriating bagans

>>696283

What does "Low mass" mean?

>>696286

Shorter and no sung parts

Western Rite monastery in Germany

Western Rite Benedictine Monks in Germany

>>697102

Here is the full version.

It seems you guys are big enthusiasts about this Western Rite. And one thing that I have learned in my life is this: enthusiasm is contagious. May our Lord bless your fishing nets with great catch! Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it!

>>694173

Beautiful. I need to find a western rite parish in Romania.

>>694178

>>694170

Eastern-Rite Catholicism is a thing too you know.

>>697764

Eastern rite catholicism are historically valid churches who came into communion with the see of Peter.

Western rite orthodoxy is a early 20th centuary larp because the Latin church didnt look cool enough.

There is a huge difference

>>694180

Why do converts need to abandon the rites of their nations? Roman rite was part of the undivided church.

Your xenophobic easternboo attitude is what prevents Orthodoxy from becoming really really big in the west and fill the void caused by the crisis of other churches.

>>697262

Sadly, im pretty sure we dont have those here.

>>694159

We need to ask ourselves if we want to make the west orthodox again or we just want to make the west byzantine.

The west was orthodox and it had its rites, the west was never byzantine, though.

It's not good to attack roman uniformity and then wanting to force byzantine uniformity.