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God help us.

https://8ch.net/christian/res/692449.html

Check the catalogue next time….

Benedict must respond

>>692477

I think it's clear what happened. This is why Benedict resigned. He realized the homosexual mafia had taken control and he had no power to do anything. Just read about how McCarrick covered up the fact that Benedict had ordered that Communion not be given to abortion-supporting politicians. How Sodano prevented him from learning about the Sipe letter. The de facto governance of the Church has been hijacked. When Benedict realized he was powerless he felt like he couldn't continue as Pope.

>>692478

Why couldn't he fire them?

>>692479

Why indeed. He probably felt boxed in and unable to act for all sorts of reasons we don't know about, but I still don't understand why he couldn't have exercised his authority as the bloody absolute monarch of Catholicism even if that would have meant unimaginable scandal. Maybe he was worried about getting killed.

>>692480

nah he'd die for the faith. maybe he wanted to avoid scandal?

>>692480

>>692478

Because they would become martyrs to their cause and potentially schism away dragging more sheep into hell with them. He needed the laity to know and so it is assumed his resignation was a signal that something was very wrong in Rome.

Not a Cathbro. In on what exactly? I can only guess this has to do with getting a previous pope's spot by crook?

>>692490

If that happened then all involved were AUTOMATICALLY EXCOMMUNICATED. Lord have mercy on us all, Lord Jesus Christ keep grant us grace to stand firm in the scandal, Mother Mary pray for us and and ask your son to protect the good clergy.

*clears throat*

Hes infallible to heresies

https://twitter.com/michaelbd/status/1033547778268360705

BENEDICT CONFIRMS

>>692512

PIZZAGATE WAS REAL EXCEPT IT WAS IN THE VATICAN

THIS IS ACTUALLY INCREDIBLE

ALL THE CRAZIEST CONSPIRACY THEORIES ABOUT WHY BENEDICT RESIGNED ARE TURNING OUT TO BE TRUE

>>692497

No he isn't. Papal infallibility only covers a very very specific thing.

>>692523

>infallible only in very very specifi-

listen to what you're saying….

>>692528

And not only McCarrick, but Maradiaga, Wuerl, and a host of other known homosexual abusers and abuse enablers. He apparently owes his election to McCarrick pulling strings, according to this letter. He is a puppet of the homosexuals.

Is this what St Peter thought when he started the Church?

>>692464

Well, like the Chinese said, "May you live in interesting times." It's about to get real interesting in Rome if this holds up.

>>692477

In the other article, if I am reading it correctly, NCR did get ahold of him and confirmed previous punishment, if I am reading it correctly after he had to be informed through a third party…since people at the Vatican were running interference for Ted apparently. I wonder how many abuse notes slipped through the cracks…

>>692512

Tweet's gone?

>>692470

Are you an immigrant to this site? Please learn to link properly.

>>692464

>CIVIL winnie the pooh WAR ABOUT TO BREAK OUT IN THE VATICAN

Who's gonna fight, the pedos vs the pedos?

>>692464

Nothing is happening.

>be 100% materialist

"Lel hey guys why don't you stop asking me to do something about this abuse scandal and just go pray and fast?"

>God strengthens the heart of the guy who knows your dirty secrets and he exposes you

Tfw

Is it bad to pray for Pope Francis to resign? We need a real man as a Pope, someone married like St. Peter, someone with balls, someone who will preach fire and brimstone and advocate death penalty for rapists.

>>692478

>>692477

>benedict as traditionalist bulwark

This is the most embarrassing tradcath meme. He was a key figure in bringing about VII. Just because he wasn't as rabid a liberal and ecumenist as JPII doesn't mean he wasn't cut from the same cloth. In all likelihood, Ratzinger was blackmailed into resigning.

>>692595

Is this bait? Because pagan gods were portrayed as notorious pedophiles

>>692596

The truth is that MSM are trying to bury it for the moment

>>692613

No, we dont need someone who is married just like we dont need a woman. People like ypu seem to have some fetish that involves priests having sex

>>692616

>Wanting someone like Peter instead of Francis is a "sex fetish"

get your mind out of the gutter, sicko

Well, Francis is a Jesuit. Those guys have acted as a homosexual mafia within the Church for at least 70 years.

Just a reminder to our Catholic brothers that Orthodox Church will welcome you with open arms

>>692595

*slurps*

>>692617

Its not me the one with the fetish, where the desirable aspect of Peter was that he was married from before.

>>692595

>gods

>not God

Hello newfriend, please lurk some more.

>>692614

Is it so terminally naive of me to think Benedict had some kind of crisis of conscience in his later days and betrayed the wishes of the St Galen group? Trying to Christian charity and all.

I'm proteststant, but I recognize the rich and valuable history of the Catholic Chirch and how muvh Christianity as a whole owes to it. I pray that God uses this to make it pure again.

I guess it's happening for real

https://www.dioceseoftyler.org/news/2018/08/bishop-stricklands-public-statement-to-the-diocese/

>A letter (see below) by Archbishop Vigano, former Nuncio to the United States, raises grave allegations and calls for the resignation of numerous high ranking prelates including Pope Francis.

Let us be clear that they are still allegations but as your shepherd I find them to be credible

>>692697

Western Schism 2? Rerun of conciliarism? Could be a mess…I'd like to take baby steps here and see how the next short period plays out, there are many possibilities that have been opened up.

>>692464

I'm seriously waiting for some people to just storm the Vatican and defenestrate the demagogue.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardinal-burke-responds-to-former-us-nuncios-explosive-letter-about-pope-fr

>"The declarations made by a prelate of the authority of Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò must be totally taken to heart by those responsible in the Church," Cdl. Burke told LifeSiteNews Sunday. "Each declaration must be subject to investigation, according to the Church's time-tried procedural law."

>"After the truth of each declaration has been established," Burke continued, "then the appropriate sanctions must be applied both for the healing of the horrible wounds inflicted upon the Church and her members, and for the reparation of the grave scandal caused."

Now a Cardinal is publicly demanding this be investigated! Does this have any precedent in recent Church history?

>>692791

Well, Burke is one the dubia officials. I'm not really surprised he'd chime in a reasonably timely fashion, the main event is if anyone else also speaks up at his level.

FRANCIS RESPONDS:

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-i-will-not-say-a-single-word-on-viganos-allegations-of-cover-up-65149

>“I read the statement this morning, and I must tell you sincerely that, I must say this, to you and all those who are interested: Read the statement carefully and make your own judgment,” he answered. “I will not say a single word on this.”

>Speaking aboard the papal plane from Dublin to Rome Aug. 26, Francis said he believes in the “journalistic capacity to draw your own conclusions,” calling it an “act of faith.”

>“When some time passes and you have drawn your conclusions, I may speak. But I would like your professional maturity to do the work for you. It will be good for you,” he told members of the press.

>Asked in a follow up question when he first learned about the abuse allegations against McCarrick, Pope Francis responded, “This is part of the statement. Study it and then I will say.”

This non-response is practically an admission of guilt. He doesn't even deny anything.

>>692697

>one side rapes each other and covers it up

>the other side doesn't

>>692794

… by not responding

>>692794

I'm not sure the "I'm not going to defend myself" thing is really reasonable given the circumstances. It's one thing to figuratively martyr yourself to the public to defend against a sinful thing, it's another to no-sell an accusation that has to do with child and adult rape being covered up. For some reason I'm thinking of Matthew 18 suddenly…

>>692795

>one side silently allows for your degenerate fun and absolves you of it as long as you overlook the peccadilloes of the senior membership

>the other side doesn't

You have to reframe it slightly. Then the outcome of a potential new schism seems less clear.

>>692802

Oh please this is like the third time the has happened.

The pornocracy sounds like a band name

Alexander VI

Leo X

>>692807

are those gondolas?

>>692794

This is very disturbing, how hard would it be to just say "of course that's not true"?

Is it supposed to be some sort of cool and collected dismissal? He must know that people are foaming at the mouth over this. What kind of response is "let's just see how it plays out" when people (including cardinals) are calling for your abdication?

The political shit was strike 1, ignoring the dubia was strike 2. This sort of flippancy about pederasty and mafia tier conspiracy within your ranks is inexcusable.

>>693059

>gnoring the dubia was strike 2

I haven't been following this closely (not Catholic barely even Christian atm) but what's all these references to 'dubia' relate to if you could inform me pls?

>>693067

>I haven't been following this closely (not Catholic barely even Christian atm) but what's all these references to 'dubia' relate to if you could inform me pls?

Well long story short the Pope wrote an apostolic letter called Amoris Laetitia where basically, seems like, he said that inter-communion with protestants and giving communion to divorced catholics was ok, and some conservative cardinals like Burke wrote him a letter with questions (Dubia) to clarify if this was the case. Francis never answered

Well this is huge. What I'm not sure is if this is "excommunicating Archbishop Lefebvre" huge or "protestant reformation" huge or somewhere in between.

>>693072

I see, thanks for answering

>>692464

>IT'S winnie the pooh HAPPENING

>CIVIL winnie the pooh WAR

Can we atleast replace censure with "Duckling" instead of this? it really creates awkward situation. I cant even watch winnie pooh cartoon with my little brother normally anymore.

>>693114

ya i'd prefer ducking too… it just makes things really hard to read

Monsignor Jean-François Lantheaume, former first counsellor at the apostolic nunciature in Washington D.C.: Viganò said the truth. That’s all.

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/former-nunciature-official-vigano-said-the-truth-38319

More support, from a different American representative official.

>>693135

I'd prefer you guys to stop swearing so much

CARDINAL TOBIN RESPONDS:

https://www.rcan.org/statement-response-testimony-archbishop-carlo-maria-vigan%C3%B2-former-apostolic-nuncio-united-states

>The Archdiocese of Newark and Cardinal Joseph W. Tobin, C.Ss.R. express shock, sadness and consternation at the wide-ranging array of allegations published by the former apostolic nuncio to the United States of America, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, which cannot be understood as contributing to the healing of survivors of sexual abuse.

>The factual errors, innuendo and fearful ideology of the "testimony" serve to strengthen our conviction to move ahead resolutely in protecting the young and vulnerable from any sort of abuse, while guaranteeing a safe and respectful environment where all are welcome and breaking down the structures and cultures that enable abuse.

>Together with Pope Francis, we are confident that scrutiny of the claims of the former nuncio will help to establish the truth.

AP COVERS FOR THE PEDOPHILES, CALLS VIGANO'S TESTIMONY A CONSPIRACY THEORY, TRIES TO DISCREDIT HIM BY CALLING HIM A RIGHT-WING HOMOPHOBE

http://www.time.com/5378748/pope-francis-abuse-allegations-mccarrick-letter/

MSM IS GOING TO TRY TO COVER THIS UP AND MEMORY-HOLE IT!

>>693185

No surprise.

>>693186

A little surprised. I thought the MSM would love a chance to rip on the church…but it would seem in this case they might have more "selective" outrage? Needless to say the lukewarm liberals will probably take them up on that, if it's a choice between faith and party, party wins…

>>692614

Benedictus used to be a Liberal in the 60s but realised he was wrong and became full trad later. He even said some of his announcements in Latin and gave broader permissions to TLM

>>692629

Call me once you stop bootlicking putin.

>>693196

Putin invaded my country and occupied 1/5th of it. Nice false witness.

>>693198

>national church

>think they are one holy CATHOLIC Church

No thanks.

>>693200

Yes it is. Unity through Christ and in Eucharistic Union instead of some guy. Also reporting for your uncharitable behaviour. I hope a several days rest from chan will bring you back in normal form.

>>693215

Unity =/= catholic

Catholic means universal which is something you guys are not.

And by uncharitable then all orthos would be banned from this board. Some even behave worse than non Baptist prots.

>>693216

I know what "Catholic" means and it is is universal, one Church united through Christ and Eucharistic Union.

Stop spewing your frustration and insecurities at us.

>>693217

Kek

This is not the time for bickering between Orthodox and Catholics. Let's stay focused on our mutual hatred for homosexual predators who sully Christ's name.

Bishop Barron has made a Q&A about the sex abuse scandal. Unfortunately not talking about the pope.

>>693245

It would be suicide to do it and disrespectful even if the Pope did shit to denounce him like that. If he wanted to talk about the Pope he should do like the other Bishop who said the truth.

>>693264

He did dance around the "homosexuality vs clericalism" line. He's being internally political on that end, and he could be firmer there with less issue. Also having the Vatican investigate itself is a bizarre solution to the problem. Even if they did appoint laity, they'd only need to pick the ones who defend officialdom no matter what to achieve a positive result. Already you see in comment sections on these news sites a sizable minority of them attacking anyone who even vaguely supports the nuncio screaming about how nothing's wrong and how they don't want the "right wing" to take over!

Guess Francis intends to ride it out. Could be another, what, 6 years?

>>693274

These people only care about increasing their sexual opportunities and living in comfort. Even if next time a Pope goes to Ireland there are only 13000 Catholics to greet him, as long as they get to sodomize each other in their lavish appartments and rectories, nothing will change.

Is this Archbishop Vigano some fringe Alex Jones tier shit stirrer or is he actually listened to and respected?

>>693272

The one thing I detest the most is when people define theological positions by "left" and "right".

>>693277

He was papal nuncio for the United States. Basically, the closest kind of comparable secular role is that he was an ambassador. To pretty much one of the most prominent nation-states on this planet. This is not a minor figure who has a hot mouth, and you can see he's not being treated as one, with bishops and cardinals fighting against each other over this.

>>693277

If you're interested in some alex jones conspiracy type stuff, look up Bishop Richard Williamson

>>693278

They'll start decrieing this as an Alt-Right conspiracy next. They're very predictable.

>>693173

This. If you'd stop typing filth than it wouldn't be a problem.

>>693198

I might actually end up joining your Church, Georgian bro. Having to share religion with Russians is actually what puts me off the most.

>>693416

>Having to share religion with Russians is actually what puts me off

Each of the local Orthodox Churches has her own unimportant national specifics. If you don't like this, then I'd suggest that you choose Antioch. Antioch also has its own specifics, but they are pretty much comparable with the national specifics of the Apostles who brought the Christianity to the pagan world. The ancient Jews and the modern Christian Arabs have similar customs.

Besides, Antioch is as much a Petrine chair, as Rome is. And the fact that this small and suppressed in her homeland Church projects her spiritual power all over the world and acquires more converts than any other means that she has the blessing of Christ.

>>693410

Even leftist are starting to throw Francis under the bus: https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-pope-francis-and-the-catholic-churchs-moral-bankruptcy/a-45248278

>>693429

It's fun though to see leftists talking about morals.

>>693428

Then can we have our own specific one that is based in Rome and we call our Primarch the Pope and it will be essentially just like the Orthodox but Latin and a more of a global thing.

>>693476

>Then can we have our own specific one that is based in Rome and we call our Primarch the Pope

With so many converts in US, I think it won't take long before there is an acknowledged and respected autocephalous Orthodox Church in the US. (Of course this is just my guess.)

But I think that Western Europe is not ready yet because the majority of the Orthodox Christians there are emigrants from Eastern Europe. So, to answer you: what you propose is possible, but Western Europe is not ready for an Orthodox pope in Rome.

>and it will be essentially just like the Orthodox but Latin and a more of a global thing

Yes this is possible, not sure about the "global thing". After the separation of Rome, we (the Orthodox Churches) were still many so we were able to compare one another and see what was just a local custom and what was universal. But Rome stayed alone, it had nobody to compare with so Rome took more "national" specifics than any other Orthodox Church. You don't notice these specifics only because you are used to them. But this is ok, it is ok for a local Church to have specifics as long she is keeping the Orthodox faith pure and uncorrupted.

>>692629

The solution to problems in the Church is to repair it from the inside, not to abandon the Church that Jesus founded and become a schismatic.

>>693548

>One Pentarch out of five (and some other autocephalous churches) secedes

>HURR YOU BECAME A SCHISMATIC!!!1!

>>693416

>I might actually end up joining your Church, Georgian bro

Really? I mean, I am very happy, but mostly Divine Liturgy is held in our old language.Though at the end, all Orthodox share Eucharistic union (the difference is mostly in administration and perhaps some specifics in liturgy.) and Georgian may take communion in Greek church and vice versa. Anywho, good luck, anon.

>>693549

Because you schimed from the Head of the Church.

>>692512

The tweet is deleted. Can you summarize its contents?

https://twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1034519978924539904?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Holy winnie the pooh. These people are actually soulless psychopaths.

>Cupich on abuse allegations: “The Pope has a bigger agenda. He's got to get on with other things, of talking about the environment and protecting migrants and carrying on the work of the church. We're not going to go down a rabbit hole on this.”

Who cares if a few seminarians are being raped by Cardinals, what matters is the environment, right?

>>693635

ncregister said it got confirmation from someone in Benedict's inner circle that Benedict does recall putting sanctions on McCarrick.

>>693654

Which it has since backpedaled on. Now they're reporting that Benedict is not going to make any statements at all on it, which is odd. I find it weird that people are attacking this as a political move by Vigano. The dude is retired. He could have easily just had a nice quiet retirement instead of releasing this testimony, followed by immediately fleeing the country to an unknown location. This is even exactly the kind of thing he'd do. Remember when he cleaned up the Vatican Bank and sent those letters to Pope Benedict XVI that later got leaked about the corruption within it?

>>693659

They are simply grasping at straws to discredit and bury this because they know it looks really, really bad that the ones who want to "modernize" Church doctrine are the same ones being named as sexual predators and enablers of sexual predators.

>>693612

>you schimed from the Head of the Church

Even according to the current Catholic doctrine when a pope becomes a heretic, he no longer is a pope. When the popes accepted the 'filioque' they became heretics and ergo not popes. St. Symeon of Thessalonica says: "One should not contradict the Latins when they say that the bishop of Rome is the first. This primacy is not harmful to the Church. Let them only prove his faithfulness to the faith of Peter and to that of the successors of Peter. If it is so, let him enjoy all the privileges of the pontiff".

>>693653

If you think that's bad, this is from just before this all broke out:

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2018/08/14/vatican-advisor-pope-breaks-catholic-traditions-whenever-he-wants/

Under Pope Francis, the Church is now "openly ruled by an individual rather than by the authority of Scripture alone or even its own dictates of tradition plus Scripture," (Fr. Thomas Rosica) has said.

Now this doesn't have anything directly to do with the scandal here, and you can agree or disagree with Rosica. That's not the point, the point is that people that think like him are in positions of power regardless on the lower ends. Regardless of the state of the office, they can inflict massive damage just by themselves. They don't care about canon law, church dogma, secular law or even Ye Old Basic "just follow the Bible". All of that is irrelevant or downright dangerous to people like Rosica. And one must conclude that if he can get away with saying in public that "tradition + scripture is super-ceded" and he retains his positions and the news is buried, that he has other people in the Roman structure that could censure him but won't; either out of cowardice or because they agree with him.

>>693679

Well considering the actual Spiritual War has been revealed to us and confirmed to be a very real thing.

The Rosary is our weapon. The Eucharist is our God made present. Our fallen brothers and sisters even now serve to protect the flock. Our Lord Jesus at this moment cries out to the faithful sheep to save his One Holy Apostolic Catholic Church. His Holy Mother the General of his legion of Angels is at war even as we speak with the Dragon who has wormed his way amidst the flock. The Wrath of the Awakened Church is upon us Brothers and Sisters. Satan has had his hour now it is time for us to have our day.

>>692615

>Because pagan gods were portrayed as notorious pedophiles

What which ones?

The nordic and germanic ones are guilty of the opposite, if anything, with their giantess fetishes.

>>693675

The Pope didn't become an heretic. You guys did retard.

I hate prots larping as orthos.

>>693703

>Pope didn't become a heretic.

Catholics and Orthodox have different dogmas. Therefore, from Orthodox point of view the current popes are heretics. The modern Catholics, on the other hand, do not consider the Orthodox heretics, but why this is so is something beyond my understanding.

According to the 2nd council of Lyons and the Catholic Catechism: "the Holy Spirit proceeds eternally from the Father and the Son, not as from two principles but as from one single principle". I say this is a heresy. Therefore, for any normal and logical Catholic I must be a heretic. And yet, it seems I am not and I am permitted to take Eucharist in any Catholic church. Go figure…

>>693722

We too are permitted in emergencies to take the Eucharisty in orthodox Churches since you guys have apostolic succession as well. What's your point?

>>693724

>The modern Catholics, on the other hand, do not consider the Orthodox heretics

I guess we never did neither today or in the past. Schismatics and Heretics are different groups although since papal infallibily is a dogma orthos can be considered fully fledged heretics.

>>693724

You misunderstood me.

I mean the Catholics are ok with me taking a communion with them because this is not normal. But I am not permitted by my faith to take a communion in a Catholic church, even in case of emergency.

>We too are permitted in emergencies to take the Eucharisty in orthodox Churches

It will be difficult to find an Orthodox Church where non-Orthodox is permitted to take the Eucharist. Emergency or not.

>>693725

>since papal infallibily is a dogma orthos can be considered fully fledged heretics

Finally one logically thinking Catholic. Although, the papal infallibility is not the only dogmatic difference between us.

>>693724

>>693729

Because the Catholic Church doesn't consider what you are preaching about the trinity to be heresy. As far as we are concerned we are still "technically" one church or Sister Churches to be exact. There are far FAR worse hersey like Protestantism, Mormonism, and other shit then anything you guys do.

On the flip side though I understand why your Church won't because we are total heretics to you.

>>693729

Tbh for a Catholic priest to give the Eucharisty to you I guess to had to believe in the Truths of Catholic Church. Example you can't take the Hoist if you think the Pope is an heretic or if you don't believe in the immaculate conception you would be in a mortal sin.

>t will be difficult to find an Orthodox Church where non-Orthodox is permitted to take the Eucharist.

I agree with you. The Church just says that if it theoretically happened you wouldn't be sinning.

>>693737

The Church also says anyone can perform Baptism and Confession maybe even the Eucharist (not trying to spread heresy so DO NOT quote me on this one) in a life or death emergency. Remember the Church began as a persecuted group their are tons of fail safes in place if say all the priests were rounded up then the Laity may be granted emergency powers. That would literally be a revelations tier event though so yeah.

>>693740

>Confession maybe even the Eucharist

This is wrong. Only baptism is allowed.

Only an ordained priest can perform confession and the Eucharisty. Anything else the Catholic Church condemneds as heresy and a very grievous sin.

It's hard to escape the feeling the media will put up with a little kiddy raping to avoid an awkward conversation and hard truths. Christ would be screaming.

>>693762

It's not even kiddy raping in this case, it's adult raping. And apparently they are, there are reports that Irish news was forbidden to air this note during the papal visit. I wonder if going forward we'll see more interference run by the MSM, the more these rotten clerics get their claws into Rome.

>>693838

At this point they are just laughing in our faces and daring us to try to do something about it.

>>693552

Thanks. I am learning Georgian (my future wife is Georgian) and got quite interested in Orthodoxy some time ago while visiting many churches in Georgia with her. Also the Georgian Church doesn't allow mixed-marriages so you have to convert anyways.

If I may ask, since you must be quite familiar with the Georgian Church, isn't it a bit weird to share the same religion with the biggest Orthodox country in terms of population but at the same time, having all these tension between countries. Or do you just get used to that, separate religion from politics completely etc.

It just seems a bit awkward for example to go to a Russian Church if there are no other Churches around. I am guessing that happens to some Georgian immigrants for example.

DAMON LINKER IS LEAVING THE CATHOLIC CHURCH OVER VIGANO'S TESTIMONY

https://theweek.com/articles/792775/unbearable-ugliness-catholic-church

>>694145

literally who?

>>694157

Former editor of First Things.

Nothing is happening. It's incredible.

Lifesite's just posted two new articles on this happening, both VC leaks:

#1: Remember the guy in the Vatican who had that gay orgy there and he was caught by police high on nose candy, about a year or two ago? Luigi Capozzi? Looks like PF knew about his personal problems and didn't have a problem with it, he actually gave him the room despite having been warned about the guy being a raging degenerate. Even more interestingly Muller at CDF wanted the room, but he was told by PF directly that Luigi was getting it.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-pope-knowingly-gave-vatican-apartment-to-gay-priest-later-caught-i

#2: Speaking of Muller, if anyone's wondering why he was put out to pasture…it was because he was doing his job, apparently. The same leak reports that he and PF butted heads repeatedly on disordered prelates the latter wanted to rehabilitate, in particular Mauro Inzoli (who's since been sent to prison).

https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/vatican-source-pope-dismissed-cdl-mueller-and-others-for-following-church-r

Additionally, the source said that pretty much everyone there knew Uncle Ted was in the dog house so it was impossible for PF to not know.

>>694157

Also writes at The Week, hates "theocons" and likes "secular America".

>>693952

I wish you happy marriage, anon.

As for politics, no, not really. Believers usually separate Religious life from political struggles. There are some Russian churches here, as well as Georgian churches in Russia and nobody has problems due to that. And to be fair, church remains one of the links that can maintain indirect diplomacy with Russia and ease tensions a bit (but both Russian and our government is headed by morons and retards, so it doesnt help much).

>>694145

>If I didn't really believe in all of the theological precepts taught by the church, at least I wanted to —

>We point to revelatory experiences — a supposed eruption of the divine into the realm of the profane

>supposed

Admits he never had faith in the first place. Unfortunate. I pray he will be reattached to Mother Church, and by God's Grace be brought to true faith. May God save my soul, his soul, and the souls of all repentant sinners.

>>693838

What’s up with bishops wearing a paracords around their necks?

>>693416

you converting out of the church? if you don't repent, i'll love to see you burn. what a cuck… muh girl is georgian, i'll join her schismatic (at best, they preach heresy like all orthodox churches) and learn her languages.

if you convert, you will most likely burn for all eternity. may the Saints rejoice at filth burning for all eternity.

>>694281

Tassel for the pectoral cross

Of all the things I thought could happen after reading the Vigano letter, "nothing" was not near the top of the list.

>>694283

>evil God

God doesn't want to see you burn, the Saints don't want to see you burn and I don't want to see you burn. However, your hatred makes you burn now and it will continue to burn you for eternety if you don't repent.

>>694296

It seems they are just going to try to weather this out by ignoring it.

>>694165

I'm not even Catholic, but this stuff is so fugged up I just wanna believe it's all fake news

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2018/08/29/a-vatican-diplomats-explosive-letter-reveals-influential-conservative-catholic-media-network/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.b2e9afeefab8

Another mainstream media piece covering for the abusers…

>>694145

>https://theweek.com/articles/792775/unbearable-ugliness-catholic-church

>Church attendance has been in sharp decline for a lot longer than 16 years. The number of young Catholics choosing to become priests and nuns has been shrinking even faster. According to polls, an astonishing 98 percent of Catholics in the U.S. reject the church's teaching on contraception. Catholic women are just as likely as non-Catholic women to have an abortion, while Catholics as a whole are more likely than the average American to support same-sex marriage.

wew lad, one true church amirite?

>>694305

Where shepherds lead, the flock follows. 50 years ago, Fulton J. Sheen was everyone's bishop, and Pope Pius XII was still in living memory. But since then? Even twenty years ago, for every O'Connor, you had a Weakland. Now, the latter's fellow travelers stack the system, and promote each other and their own successors. That's who they know. Few still live who remember anyone further back than John XXIII or Paul VI, and most anyone not elderly only have JP2 to start with.

If what they have to lead them, are the people Vigaro mentioned in his report, why is it any surprise that it will turn out that way? That said, it won't last. People who are not attached to the dogma of a thing will fall away when times get hard, and things are about to become very rocky indeed.

At the very least half the states seem to be starting grand jury investigations, and there may even be Federal action. Personally I doubt RICO would be as effective as it's being promoted, given the internal configuration of the church. The Mann Act seems like a better route, it's been applied to sex slave traffickers with preacher day-jobs already; a Baptist named Jack Schaap was thrown in the slammer using that just a few years ago, and there's no reason you couldn't target Catholic prelates with that either. Since we can already confirm that the East Coast apparatus of the American church was transporting South American gays up to the US for sex purposes, through CM reports just a week or two ago, an awful lot of important targets could be removed and with little heavy lifting from the Justice Department.

https://twitter.com/matthewschmitz/status/1034967375626551298

You can actually see him trying to remember his lines. winnie the pooh lying sack of shit. This is what a demon in a skinsuit looks like.

>>694355

You ever see Wuerl speak? You think Cupich is weird, Wuerl looks like he's straight out of central casting.

McCarrick's house has been found.

https://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/journalist-locates-mccarricks-house-confronts-diocesan-spokesman

>>694283

Well…someone is already burning with hatred and evil within his heart.

>>694373

Are you shitting me? A multi-million dollar house with a maid?