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>>691679

Seems like ignoring God's word has consequences (1 Tim 3).

Hmm. Well, aside from the article, if Voris and those associates of his are at all accurate then there may be grave internal problems involving sodomy. This latest would fit well in along those lines, and its very troubling. The fact that James Martin appeared and spoke at the WMOF - especially in the wake of the current controversies - isn't a good sign either. Feels like I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop…

Oh look, yet another "le Catholic priest is sodomite"

This is not even funny anymore. Not even Catholic but even I am becoming a bit suspicious about how often sodomite Catholic priests attract media interest. Its as if media has something against Catholics…

>>691753

>media

It's the jews. Jews don't like Catholics and Christian Identity.

The Church is the one body that salvation enters the world through (due to her unity to Christ the Bridegroom). When the Church is sick, she must be healed - not neglected - and every member must do her part. I really like the points this videos expouses .

Let us all do our best to flee from iniquity; the false prophets will be destroyed and the walls of their foundations built with untempered mortal will be dashed to nothingness, but only when we end our hypocrisy and lukewarmness.

>>691679

Reading about St Peter Damian, the situation was similar about 1000 years ago. https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2015/11/01/saint-peter-damian-gomorrah-and-todays-moral-crisis/

Sodomites don't belong in the church, period. Personally I will pray for a cleansing purge and a removal of the priestly celibacy requirement. There are probably other actions laity can do.

Psalm 94

20 Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?

21 They gather themselves together against the soul of the righteous, and condemn the innocent blood.

22 But the Lord is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

23 And he shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; yea, the Lord our God shall cut them off.

>>691815

Thanks for this link, I was looking for something like this. I knew this only had to be one era out of others that the Church has suffered. God saved us from other eras, and God can save us from this one. There is nothing to worry about.

>>691815

Didn't Catherine of Siena mention there being similar sodomite prelates during her time? I vaguely remember reading something to that effect a while back; can't imagine there's as *many* now in comparison to back then though. In any event, this is nothing that has not happened before, except for the modern news cycle making it harder to keep things hidden. It's evil, this infiltration and all the damage it does, of course. But I think once the rot is removed (and any dead wood clinging to it that supports gay infiltration and/or culture) it will be much harder going forward for the gays to become a fifth column again. Too many watchdog groups to let things slide, and too many secularists looking for a pound of flesh.

>>691753

>>691759

Are you winnie the pooh serious?

>>691837

The Media says homosexuality is good, yet condemns the Church's homosexual priests.

It's a clear double-standard they are taking advantage of to attack the church, and I mean, REALLY attack the Church.

However, God takes the good out of the evil of men, average catholics are starting to realize the presence of jesuit/homosexual priest cabals in the Church.

>>691839

Well the American Concervative doesn't say that. And this is the personal story of a gay man anyway not the media. He says that he actually tried to tell someone about what's happening in those seminars and the church turned her back on him and now you come here and talk about the kikes and the media.

>>691846

consensual relationships between seminarians and older men is not pedophilia, it's pure homosexuality

if you don't think the Jews are using it to attack the Church, then you must think they are…good men trying to attack pedos or something? no clue.

in either case, it's clear this is happening so we can call out the homosexual cabals infesting the Church

>an apostate homosexual lies about the church

Hmm. Just read the stories he's telling. Theyre all clearly made up

>>691852

It just looks weird to me that no one freaks out about this and just cope with it like some shit that happens and the jews will use it against the church.

>>691853

Rod Dreher is the ameridox par execellence. Orthodoxy is just a fashion accessory to him.

I have a theory but I think it is a rock solid foundation to end this. Being gay is at it's core ( beyond physical predisposition outside of our reckoning ), can be associated with ones main intimate desire, in how it relates to a gender. So if you are gay you have intimate to desire to be with a man, right? I think this unquestionable. Sooo, that being said, is accepting gays, completely indistinguishable from gay lust acceptance? Yes, in that it what defines one apart from a heterosexual person. So not only is it trying to normalize being gay in the church in reality, being gay is not a sin, however in the only way that it manifest it is indistinguishable from any sin. In this understanding being gay is indeed an action while wholly sinful, yet not barring somebody from being a godly person in complete legitimacy. So in short gay people are not the problem, as they don't exist in such a way as a people do. Being gay is a cycle of sin that interweaves it's self into the fabric of a person's life, like any hedonistic habit. I want to make it clear however that this in no way a distinguished phenomena as far as sin goes. Being gay is not different then any other sin of the flesh, it is one in the same, it is not exceptional in anyway except that we have been led to thinking it more then vain lust of the flesh, like any other. So yes, gay people can be in the clergy, but in anyway that one expresses intimate affection for another or the ability to, has to be though of with skepticism, what does this person really desire. People who identify with sexual desire as part their identity are the cause of this, but this is ideological universally, it is an all pervading concept that needs to be evaluated for sinfulness, or more so how it can lead to it.

>Please evaluate my non-nonsensical mess, I really think I am on to… somthing.

>>691926

>Even pornography can lead to homosexual thoughts.

can confirm.

>>691930

It's okay, anon. Remember that not one man, not even the Pope himself, is perfect. This is exactly why being a Catholic is so difficult. It asks you to take off the chains that you willingly put around yourself. Gluttony, laziness, pornography, complacency; these are all warned against in the Bible. I have never been a fan of pornographyit takes innocent young girls who are impressionable, and hooks them on drugs because I think it leads to masturbation, lust, and a negative outlook on life. Sexuality was rightly put in a "box", and anyone who says it is good is a lair or false prophet.

>>691926

>Even pornography can lead to homosexual thoughts

Very true. I know many a person who started with very vanilla tastes getting progressively (so to speak) troublesome ones over years of sexual exposure.

>>691924

>Being gay is not different then any other sin of the flesh, it is one in the same, it is not exceptional in anyway except that we have been led to thinking it more then vain lust of the flesh, like any other.

I just want to say that, according to Catholic teaching, this is wrong. It's not because homosexuality is a mortal sin like, for instance, fornicaton, that they are equally sinful. Homosexual acts are far more disordered as they stray farther away from the natural use of the sexual function. Homosexuality is intrinsically disordered according to CCC 2357.

>So yes, gay people can be in the clergy, but in anyway that one expresses intimate affection for another or the ability to, has to be though of with skepticism, what does this person really desire.

Men who are definitely attracted to the same sex should not be allowed in the clergy, let alone those who identify as "gay", and for many good reasons. The first of all being that the priest is to be to the image of Christ who is a heterosexual man who takes the Church as his bride. Second, same-sex attracted men cannot be led to think that priesthood is the vocation of a man who cannot marry. Homosexual men fleeing to the priesthood is the reason why you have so many scandals as these men have not been chosen by God and therefore have never received the grace of celibacy that is necessary for a priest to remain chaste. Thirdly, the instances of pedophilia in and out of the clergy are overwhelmingly homosexual. Need I say more?

>>691945

>>691945

>I just want to say that, according to Catholic teaching, this is wrong. It's not because homosexuality is a mortal sin like, for instance, fornicaton, that they are equally sinful. Homosexual acts are far more disordered as they stray farther away from the natural use of the sexual function. Homosexuality is intrinsically disordered according to CCC 2357.

The exceptional quality is not biblical, any sexuality is sinful out of the context of intercourse of a married couple. Though I am not catholic, that being said your point still true, though not to me. However I do recognize the validity of church authority to define heresy, or " hetero "doxy : ).

>Men who are definitely attracted to the same sex should not be allowed in the clergy, let alone those who identify as "gay", and for many good reasons. The first of all being that the priest is to be to the image of Christ who is a heterosexual man who takes the Church as his bride. Second, same-sex attracted men cannot be led to think that priesthood is the vocation of a man who cannot marry. Homosexual men fleeing to the priesthood is the reason why you have so many scandals as these men have not been chosen by God and therefore have never received the grace of celibacy that is necessary for a priest to remain chaste. Thirdly, the instances of pedophilia in and out of the clergy are overwhelmingly homosexual. Need I say more?

I agree, but in the sense which I previously assumed that those who identify with sexuality are on shaky ground to begin with, firstly. Secondly, I would like to agree with you that people who are escaping sin in any form should be excluded from clergy in that this just unstable ground to take that position. You can't escape your sin, you can only reject indulgence. These people who we assume to good honest priest, monks, deacons, pastors, and blah blah, who we find were sinful failures had not fallen from a grace, they were fallen from the beginning.They did not reject they're sin, they deny themselves, they are delusional.

>>691960

>The exceptional quality is not biblical

Do you seriously need me to quote the verses that prove homosexuality is more disordered? Alright then…

Leviticus 18:22 - Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind, because it is an abomination.

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Romans 1:26 - For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. Likewise, the men abandoned natural relations with women and burned with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

Where do you see heterosexual relations, even outside marriage, referred to as abominations or unnatural? That's right, nowhere.

>>691997

I don't think this says that they are exceptional though

>>691926

>Catholicism does not have a pedophile problem, it has a faggot problem

this

The molestation is all pederastic, i.e. sodomites sexually corrupting adolescents.

>>693351

no, homosexuality is accepted in the mainstream now, it's actually probably way better because they do not feel the need to corrupt the church since they can cavort in public now

>>693351

It would be pretty easy to false flag these sort of things. You put a few homos in the church and suddenly you have a pedo problem which the media can report on. It's so easy to set up that it just makes sense when you're trying to dismantle the church and any traditions related to it.

Remember the church isn't traditionally a wet rag that gets slapped around. It is the right hand man of the ruler. Both work in tandem to keep the average man from acting like a retard. If you want to subvert a country you need to remove it's previous power structure and make sure it can't ever resurface to challenge you again. They have done this to the church by making it full of pedos who disregard all of their rules in order for (((mainstream))) acceptance.

There were likely always homos who wanted to be part of the church or became monks. It makes sense as it gives them access to other men in private situations and lots of power through gossip within the church. Like if a homo became a priest he could do winnie the poohed up things and threaten any one who opposed him with what they said at confession. That's why it was punishable by death, it was understood what a danger they were and they acted more like women than men which made them even more dangerous.

>>693377

Sure it's better. Gay pride parades and homosexual propaganda endlessly is so much better than a healthy society.

>>691926

Pretty sure catholic priets raped girls as well.

>"Priests were raping little boys and girls, and the men of God who were responsible for them not only did nothing; they hid it all. For decades. Monsignors, auxiliary bishops, bishops, archbishops, cardinals have mostly been protected; many, including some named in this report, have been promoted."

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/08/14/us/pennsylvania-catholic-church-grand-jury/index.html

The one and only problem the Roman Catholic church has is atheism and the lack of fear of God, everything else is just symptoms.

>>693401

I want a clean church, a clean world is beyond my ken, my friend.

>>691899

What makes you say that?

>>692940

>The molestation is all pederastic, i.e. sodomites sexually corrupting adolescents.

Opportunity motivated, thanks to unsupervised access to underage followers. Why? Because church demands sexuality to be handled secretly. You won't find many abusers who are real pedophiles (only attracted to children)…they only satisfy their urges with what they can get easily.

>>691899

The majority of them are engaging in sex with SEXUALLY MATURE MALE ADOLESCENTS. This is the EXACT SAME PATTERN (older males engaging in a weird sexual mentor relationship with young males) that is so prevalent in homosexuals generally. It's clearly a problem of homosexuals specifically.

>>691930

I feel your pain anon. Keep trying, Christ's grace can save you, no matter how far down the rabbit hole you've gone.

>>695686

This is not a Christian problem, it's solely a Catholic problem.

Well that is how fags were dealt with before, by sending them or coercing them to go into the priesthood. Not so much the fault of the Catholics as it is the fault of the general public.

>>697465

thig

I'm really surprised at how few replies this has. Are you people too lazy to read an article that's bigger than 3 paragraphs or has Catholic debauchery become too ordinary already?

>>691753

If the accusations are true, you should thank them for pointing out the rot that it may be purged.

If they are false, you should say so directly and explicitly. Insinuating that you're being unfairly targeted without ever addressing the substance of the accusation is more likely to cause scandal than simply confronting the issue.

>>691679

>Two seminarians had told me each separately that their mutual confessor had alerted them of their sexual desire for each other in the sacrament of Reconciliation (Confession) telling them he had been informed of this by an inner voice he attributed to “Our Lady of Medjugorje”

Surely no one believe this load of crap

>>700458

Catholics run this board with a iron fist, we can't even talk about it's faults

>>700483

We can talk about its faults. It's all in the presentation. If you make a serious and considered argument against the Catholic Church, then you will attract debate and urbane conversation. If you post a "lol catlicks de debil cult kill all catlicks lol cant handle de bantz" crap thread, then you will be banned.

Serious question:

Should homosexual marriage be allowed for the Catholic Clergy, in order to stop them from molesting children?

>>702952

Homosexuals shouldn't be allowed in the Catholic Clergy. Those with a proclivity to such disordered thoughts should be relegated to a consecrated single life where they can aid their parish community in more supportive roles.

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>>691820

If you look at history, the Church has gone through many hard times and the orthodox Roman Catholic faith came close to being wiped out. But Jesus didn't say that there wouldn't be times of trial and suffering, but that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against His Church. And they haven't, and they won't. So never let yourself be discouraged.

>>702952

No. Homosexuals marrying is a joke since they divorce even more readily and the ones who don't just don't care about fidelity. You'd be calling in Beelzebub to get the Devil to stop crashing on your couch.

>>700477

We don't know if they're true or false.

Humble suggestion: start treating ALL teevee accusations for the sensationalist attention-harlotry they are. When you see an accusation, remind people the media does this constantly to everyone they don't like. Then when the rest of the world calls you crazy for saying this, you'll know you are on the right path.

>>702952

Sodomite marriage does not and cannot exist. You can call it marriage if you like, but that doesn't make it so. This can be contrasted with polygamous marriage, which is possible but forbidden.

>>707342

The media isn't behind all these accusations, and in fact has tried to discredit many of them, as in this NYT article. If the media just hated Francis, they'd be calling for his resignation, instead of characterizing such calls as political attacks by conservatives. The world does not hate Francis, it loves him.

http://archive.is/0wzJW

>>691679

If God is real, why do gay Catholic things happen?