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Not when our clergy is full pearl clutchers, degenerates, and double digit IQs. The greatest conviction and virtue I ever see are from other young people. Not all young people mind you, just a minority.

No.

t. Australian

>>687851

Can Atheists be saved?

Unfortunately no. Secularism has well and truly got its tendrils into Australian culture. People don't care, they're materialistic, hedonistic and they look down on people who still adhere to traditional Christian values.

No,Australia is an atheist nation that Mkther Teresa even herself described as a mission country.

>>687917

>Secularism has well and truly got its tendrils into Australian culture

M8 Australian "culture" is fundamentally secular. It was all trash from the start.

Man… Who'd ever think that a bunch of Godless criminals would create a Godless nation?

>>687936

Is not a fallacy to put all people of one group into one category?

>>687917

>People don't care, they're materialistic, hedonistic and they look down on people who still adhere to traditional Christian values.

Sounds just like Europe and the United States in 20 years.

>>688012

Sounds like Europe now. At least western Europe

>>687999

No

Australia's anti-authoritarian spirit combined with its intense trust of the state makes it a country somewhat averse to religion. Combine this with material prosperity, and they will always reject the Lord.

As Peter Hitchens has said, Christian peoples generally create prosperous societies. Prosperity degrades religious faith as people become more materialistic. Hence victory has defeated us.

Australian here. I've read from many studies that we are one of the least religious countries in the world, and the influence of Christianity diminishes with each passing year. Christianity in general Australian public discourse is a thing of cringiness and mockery. I have no hope for this country.

>>687931

Good

>>694385

>Australia's anti-authoritarian spirit combined with its intense trust of the state

I realize this is part and parcel of the Liberal mindset… but the inherent paradox still boggles my mind. They're like spoiled ungrateful children: "Winnie the Pooh you Mom and Dad! Give me money!"

I highly doubt it. A new study released today has found that only 17% of people under 18 are actively religious (and that includes other faiths than Christianity). Considering how 'diverse' our youth is, it means that roughly 9-13% of our youth are actively Christian.

https://theconversation.com/new-research-shows-australian-teens-have-complex-views-on-religion-and-spirituality-103233

Also, have a look at the census results over time and notice the trend, and how the Christian population is at the edge of freefall.

>The extent and pace of decline in the Australian students’ commitment to religious views about divine creation contrast with the views held by the American public.

>Significant differences between the balance of views in the US and Australia may in part reflect different cultural backgrounds. Most of the early Europeans who travelled to North America were deeply religious Protestants. In contrast, most Europeans who moved to Australia, some as “guests” of Her Majesty’s prison system, were far less concerned with religious matters and far more inclined to spend Sundays at the pub.

<The first Christian cleric in Australia, Reverend Richard Johnson who sailed with the First Fleet, had an incredibly hard time trying to raise funds to build any form of church. He ended up paying for the building out of his own wages.

<His church was finally built in 1794 but, shortly after completion, was deliberately burned down. After losing the church and much of his own income, Reverend Johnson filed for a leave of absence to visit England. He never returned.

https://theconversation.com/fewer-australian-university-students-than-ever-before-believe-in-creationism-101674

The last two paragraphs really sum it up.

>>703307

you don't need to believe in creationism to believe in God, though

creationism isn't merely: "God did it", but entails a lot of literalist interpretations on possibly figurative and metaphorical speech in scripture

God can create the world however He wants. The Big Bang theory implies creation ex nihilo, which is more than Christian.

>>694385

I don't know if I'd describe it as an intense trust of the state. In practice it is, but Australians will badmouth their government any chance they get. I think it's the belief in a "fair go" and equality that causes Australians to fall back on the state every time.

>>687917

Pretty much. People are so "tolerant" that they won't openly mock Christians and they will pay lip service to religious tolerance. But if you believe too strongly, people will start to turn on you. It's okay to believe there is a God, but just don't believe it too much is the kind of thinking I come across on a daily basis.

>>687979

You basically go to a pentecostal church with hip music that targets young people or you basically just get used to hanging out with old people. And for those non-Australians here, we're not talking about just people in their 40s or boomers. Basically over 70. It's sad.

>>703331

I know, that wasn't I posted that excerpt. I only posted the link because that's the source of my text; I wasn't intending to talk about creationism, I only wanted to point out that Australia has a long history of not being particularly religious.

I completely agree with your post, though.

>>687851

This reprobate nation deserves castigation.

>>703367

why I posted*