034cef No.686581
Are certain species of animal like dolphins and elephants persons? They have all passed self awarness tests and they are considered to be conscious in a similar way as us rather than most animals which have no sense of self and just react to sense stimuli. Do they have rational souls? Dolphin communication has been observed to be very complex mirroring a language in many ways. They have also demonstrated that they can solve complex problems. Do they have rational souls?
17dfc4 No.686583
>>686581
Maybe. There's no reason to think God won't grant sentience to another species, or free will to them. The question though to me to truly prove it, is if they have morality, and what do they feel like when they fail it? If they develop to have that, then yes they are.
17dfc4 No.686584
>>686583
Also note, clearly man is not the sole purpose of creation. Look at the glorious scale of everything, we are definitely not the only sentient children of God around.
7bf182 No.686586
>>686584
New age autists, please go away
d55c6e No.686587
A more important question is can animals be pagan and the answer is yes. Hail Meowdin!
3d98e1 No.686589
>>686581
This is an interesting issue. I've heard a lot of touching stories of dolphins saving humans lives, from sharks, etc. And then the dark side, I've heard stories of dolphins trying to rape humans. It makes you wonder what they would be doing if they had opposable thumbs. I guess if we accepted that dolphins had souls that would require us to share the gospel with them? Same deal as with intelligent aliens.
87dc59 No.686590
>>686581
Only dogs go to heaven.
d55c6e No.686591
3d98e1 No.686592
>>686591
I dunno about that specific example, but there are a ton of examples of sexually aggressive dolphins. One tried to rape Demi Moore. They even did a King of the Hill episode about dolphin rape.
d55c6e No.686593
>>686592
>sleeps around all over hollywood
>can't appreciate some delphinid affection
What is she speciesist?
aa39fe No.686594
>>686581
They're not made in the image of God, so no. They're not persons.
d2daa5 No.686598
>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness
6f84af No.686600
>>686583
God works in mysterious ways anon. I suppose not even the whole humanity is of any worth, but just some of them can actually reach glory.
3d98e1 No.686602
ff9b4a No.686607
>>686602
>Theologian and biologist Oliver Putz notes that, since chimpanzees are capable of moral agency, it is possible for Christians to understand them as sharing in the Image of God.[3] Furthermore, Nancy R. Howell suggests that "chimpanzees and bonobos may have the precursors for culture and spirituality, such as connectedness, interdependence and sociality' and a level of 'symbolic capacity'"
Koko’s in hell and it’s all our fault for not teaching her the word of God!
8fd95f No.686639
>>686607
Chimpanzees don't have real eyes.
5497c2 No.686730
>>686581
No. God made Adam in His image, which is what makes us "persons". Some animals may have great intelligence, but they do not possess a God-breathed spirit.
dc11bb No.686752
>>686584
Aliens don't exist.
5497c2 No.686774
>>686584
>Broof-a-doodle-doo! :-DD
e8ef0b No.686878
>>686730
Which brings up entirely another question. Was Adam the first white person, and was Cain's wife in the "land of Nod" non-white? How do we really know who was truly descended from Adam in the first place. I mean, in the Bible we have instances of those who walked and talked but weren't men, like the serpent in the garden, the beasts of the field in Joel 1:20, Jonah 3:7-8, Ezekiel 14:15, Deuteronomy 7:22, Exodus 23:28-30, etc,; also the Antichrist (the beast) in Revelation.
753153 No.686882
>>686752
[citation needed]
d2daa5 No.686886
e8ef0b No.687003
>>686886
What do you mean "who cares"?
ff9b4a No.687023
>>686878
Unfortunately, racial questions concerning Christianity on the internet drives random posters into intense fits of rage at being offended so no real discussion can take place. I’m going to ask a deacon in a few days. We’ll see if he addresses them or kicks me out of his office and requests my excommunication.
034cef No.687058
>>686878
Japheth was white European and all Europeans are descended from him today.
Shem was white Semitic and all Semites (Arabs, Jews, etc.) are descended from Shem today.
Ham was white but cursed with black skin (which is the same as the mark of Cain), and all blacks are descended from Ham today.
Asians are descended from Japheth who happen to have developed the special fold in their eyes later on and some of them even have darkened skin, likely a punishmemt for their idolatry or possibly just a weird genitic mutation that occured due to sin.
df6e9a No.687101
>>687058
>Ham was white but cursed with black skin
Stupid Mormon.
Ham and his son CANAAN were cursed, and the Bible says nothing about the curse being black skin. All blacks are descended from Hams son Cush.
2fe51f No.687137
some dolphins and some monkeys are smarter than some people, but they're still not people because there's more to personhood than iq test. A dolphin is not made in the image of God
a27b55 No.687141
To everyone spouting "IMAGO DEI" here, please define what that means first. I have yet to see an actual definition.
55cc84 No.687144
>>687141
>I have yet to see an actual definition.
Only humans have it. And Jesus assumed only Human nature. The end.
438fd7 No.687145
Are they descendents from adam?
No therefore they are not sentient
438fd7 No.687152
>>686591
Wtf have I just read? May the Lord have mercy on my soul for reading this shit.
The dolphin was the one actually raped by her.
Her future husband was cucked by a winnie the pooh dolphin.
438fd7 No.687154
438fd7 No.687165
>>687160
Hello /pol/.
Some saints were black and jesus himself was a semite not a blonde Arian.
>>>/pol/
a20358 No.687167
c1f3c5 No.687168
>>687165
>not a blonde Arian.
Stop being retarded. You spelled Aryan wrong and we have a holy relic showing the image of the savior.
aa39fe No.687170
>>687161
>whoops, sorry Mr. Ethiopian Eunuch, but only tr00 huwites are allowed to believe in Jesus
a20358 No.687171
>>687168
>>687165
The DNA recovered from the blood on the Shroud is most genetically similar to modern Sephardic Jews, but not 100%.
438fd7 No.687172
>>687168
>I can see the color of jesus hair in the shroud guys
Nice X Ray vision
438fd7 No.687174
>>687171
Well Mary and consequently Jesus come from the Royal House of David so deviations from the average jew is to be expected just like European Kings are different for their people since they are all from Germanic origins (except the British family from now on)
But probably modern Jews are not identical to old Jews since they has been many crossovers.
438fd7 No.687176
>>687173
>WE WUZ KANGS white version
c1f3c5 No.687177
>>687172
Are you blind? Just look at the image. It's clearly light colored.
c1f3c5 No.687179
>>687173
>Some of the tiggers who invaded though tried to adopt Christianity and made it into their own Jewish religion. Why do you think the Ethiopian (((Orthodox))) church is so Jewish?
Shitskins always have to judaize Christianity. Arabs wouldn't accept Christianity, but they went all in for a more jewish religion like Islam.
438fd7 No.687182
>>687178
>for purely cultural reasons
Then leave this board atheist larper
438fd7 No.687188
>>687183
What will happen once you die faggot? Whats the purpose of fighting for Europe (traitor of your country btw) if European civilization will end one day and everything ever built will crumble to dust. What then? Can your culture save you? No it can't.
Please God forgive this misguided soul for he knows not what he is saying.
c1f3c5 No.687191
>>687188
>Yes goy, everything will end someday. Might as well just sit back and let your nation get destroyed.
f8eb3a No.687193
>>687191
Are you implying identity is the most important thing there is? That's some cool god you've came up with.
And that's funny you're talking about your nation when you are one of those retards who want an united Europe. Even if you accomplished your goal what would you do with it?
c1f3c5 No.687194
>>687193
>you are one of those retards who want an united Europe.
Never called for that. We have ids, moron.
>Are you implying identity is the most important thing there is?
I never said that. It's certainly a gift from God worth protecting.
Learn reading comprehension and stop being stupid.
f8eb3a No.687195
>>687194
>I never said that. It's certainly a gift from God worth protecting.
>Learn reading comprehension and stop being stupid.
I've never said the opposite retard. Read to learn as well