/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>686279

Obesity rates is highest among Mexicans.

>>686302

Doesn't matter and they still eat fast food.

>>686302

Yeah all those Mexicans in Alabama and Mississippi

>>686277

That picture is from a restaurant, this is in no means something done very frequently.

>>686277

French wine is overrated and their cheeses too.

>>686278

I can guarantee you that France is almost completely dead in its culture.

Mass production foods have taken over all over North-West Europe, heck Spain and Italy are following up on this trend too.

t. European

>Everything I Don't Like is Protestants: An Apostolic's Guide to to Discussing Anything Whatsoever

>>686347

Sadly, this

Threads like these are 4ch/pol tier

>>686317

Blacks

>being this mad about Protestants 600 years later that you sperg out over a secular culinary phenomenon

smugluther.png

>>686414

>Catholicism brought Protestantism which brought relativism and modernity

This is how crazy you sound.

>>686414

>surely I can blame everything bad on Protestantism

Breaking news: Stalin was secretly a Protestant.

>>686416

relativism is directly related and in line with Protestantism. it's literally "you can interpret this book any way you want". Protestantism is a direct rejection of Catholicism so it's not the same at all. relativism is a direct consequence and in like with Protestantism.

prots say you can read this book any way you want. that's exactly what relativism says you can interpret morality any way you want. if you ask a random prot what is the true church they'll say no denomination has the whole truth. same with relativists.

also I'm planning on grabbing a slice of pizza. is that fast food? do I need to convert? :(

>>686347

In all honesty cut us some slack ok?

Hitler killed off all the Jews to blame them on our poisoned water wells these days and muslims tend to bite back 9quite literally).

>>686422

Liberals say you can interpret scripture how you want.

Any Protestant worth his salt will tell you that the clearer passages help interpret the more difficult ones.

What you're saying is the equivalent of if I said "Catholics only listen to the pope and everything he says is binding."

That's clearly not true and a strawmam of the other side's position.

>>686416

>I'm messed up cuz Daddy didn't love me!

>Implying it wasn't a complete and total schism.

>>686429

>Any Protestant worth his salt will tell you that the clearer passages help interpret the more difficult ones.

This eventually devolves to a relativist position which goes hand in hand with modernity. If something is (T)ruth, then it is always true and there is really no room for change. The danger, in a sense, is one of confirmation bias. With time and ego, one comes to the text with assertions they want to prove and then reverse engineer/"back into" validations of those assertions.

As an ancillary matter, it gives preeminence to the text when the text actually post dates the beliefs of the church and the liturgy. The liturgy & with it the traditions are older than the codified texts itself and the interpretation of the text was always meant to be in the hands of the apostolic church. You kinda see this problem writ large with creation museums and people bending over backwards to explain that the earth is 5000 years old, etc.

>round the clock service

>filling at best most of the time

>staff usually young people who don’t know what the bear they’re doing

>always concocting some new scheme in a sorry attempt to entice people to come and eat there, getting away from the simplicity of the original design

Pretty much.

>>686422

>prots say you can read this book any way you want

No, it doesn't. Literally no denomination says this, except by liberal subversion. You are being disingenuous.

>>686434

You have no idea how the Bible works. Protestants do not say, "Oh, this says X but we say not-X". We say, "This says X and Y, and we take this to infer the principle Z." Not everybody agrees with Z, but they accept X and Y without question.

It's called exercising the mind the Lord graced you with and unpacking the complexities within the singular Truth. It's like how every readthrough of the Bible yields new wisdom and insights that you did not acquire in previous readings.

>>686342

>French wine is overrated and their cheeses too.

Have you ever had them? Sheesh, I hate the French but my memories of a wine-tasting in Paris last to this day…

>>686443

I opened 2 bottles of red within the €15-20 price range and they were both shit.

Funny however I opened a €10 one few weeks bad and that was one of the better bottles opened in months.

Overall I'll just stick with Italian (not Chianti, which is overrated too), Portuguese and Spanish wines.

German ones aren't bad either but they are more sweet and that's not my thing.

>>686486

And Mariachi

>>686276

>the sacred dimension of meals

The thing is, you're getting too caught up in ceremony, in works of the flesh. It's futile. This is on par with people whom Paul rebuked for rebuking others regarding what they eat. You should be careful not to get caught up in man's traditions and ceremonies.

>>686522

>The thing is, you're getting too caught up in ceremony, in works of the flesh.

The irony of telling that to a Roman Catholic is thick.

>>686531

Yeah, we're worlds apart, but I hope he can at least understand the reference.

>>686275

I remember seeing this and thought it was a meme article, but then I spent 3 months working in France and found it was completely correct. Even if France is a shadow of its former self in regards to Faith, there is still some of the old culture left. 1/3 of the calendar was feast days at one point and it shows. Food is a big deal over there, quality is extremely important. Restaurants advertise that their food is homemade and locally sourced. Menus change with the seasons and restaurants serve fresh food, as opposed to America where people like chains and getting the exact same thing with the same taste no matter where they are and what time it is. In France people sit down for meals and socialize, lunch is a big deal and most people have a multi course sit down lunch with their colleagues or their family if they live close enough to work. Americans choke down their food as fast as possible to get back to work, hardly any time to relax or socialize never mind pay attention to the quality of what they're eating. In France restaurants are slower paced too. The diners aren't in a big rush to get back to work and the servers aren't worried about flipping tables and getting tips. Lunch is a time to relax and enjoy yourself, your company, and your food. When people in France go out for an evening they spend the entire evening at a restaurant. For Americans it's usually just a stop along the way to something else.

Americans tend to see food like filling up their gas tank, just something they have to do. In France food is more like an art, the chefs carefully select their ingredients for the day's specials and take their time to make something they're proud to serve.

I'm also speaking of traditional French bistros, they do have a lot of American chains and American style chains over there now unfortunately. Even those tend to be several steps above their counterparts, but fast food is still a problem since it's not a natural way to eat.

I haven't spent time in any other European protestant country so I can only compare with American culture.

>>686476

>Either pathetic bait or daily coke + cheeseburger eater.

Of course an unintentional troll is still a troll, but I think I never touched a burger in my life, maybe once when I was very very small and I quit soft drinks since I was 11.

It's a miracle if I down 5 liters in a year.

mais ça ne change rien de la qualite generale du vin

>>686279

>*record scratch

>Yep, this is me

>You're probably wondering how I got here

>Let's rewind a few hundred years to the Talmud being written

>>686582

Is this…is this a What's with Andy reference?

I love that article, funny seeing it here

>>686582

I kek'ed so hard at this

>>686442

>>686429

that's why there are thousands upon thousands of contradicting protestant interpretations right? you guys can't even decide on whether the bread of life teaching is metaphorical or literal. you guys are totally lost and protestanism is 100% relativist. that's why you guys have lesbian trans leaders in your churches, because protestanism literally says interpret any way you like.

>>686599

>that's why there are thousands upon thousands

The good ol' "muh 33,000 denominations" meme.

Where do you get that number, bud? Unless you're blowing hot air, per usual.

>you guys can't even decide on whether the bread of life teaching is metaphorical or literal

It really depends on what you mean by "Real Presence".

Protestants of the Reformed variety agree that Christ is spiritual present (how we don't know), but that the bread and wine don't literally become His body and blood.

Lutherans say He's physically present, but the bread and wine don't change.

I can't really speak for other Protestants, but we can all agree that transubstantiation is a stretch.

>you guys are totally lost and protestantism is 100%

<maybe if throw some more shade they'll back off!

>that's why you guys have lesbian trans leaders in your churches, because protestantism literally says interpret any way you like.

Firstly, Protestants that actually take Sola Scriptura would not even fathom doing anything that liberal "christians" do.

Secondly, you Romanists all talk a good deal of unity, but what about men like James Martin, Justin Trudeau, and Cardinal Marx?

>inb4 they're not really Catholic/don't represent Catholicism

Then why haven't they been excommunicated?

Why haven't their bishops disciplined them?

Why do they still regularly receive communion (which you say is the literal body and blood of Christ)?

Historically, Rome has had no difficulty doing away with perceived heretics. Some of them were even executed but whoops, looks like capital punishment is "inadmissible" now. How convenient, especially with all these secrets coming out about US bishops.

Less than half of US Catholics go to church weekly.

A little above half pray daily.

A little over half seldom or never read Scripture not surprising, tbh

A whopping 70% of US Catholics say homosexuality should be accepted!

A little over half say that "gay marriage" should be accepted!

Source: http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/catholic

And you have the audacity to tell us that we're not united?

>but there are weeds among the wheat!

Well imagine that. But hey, if that's the case with Protestants, it must be their wacky doctrines.

>>686608

so you just literally confirmed that protestants can't even decide of the bread of life is metaphorical or literal. they can't decide if you can baptise infants or not. they can't decide if there are sacraments or not. they can't decide if baptism is needed for salvation or not. i can go on forever.

and are you really that braindead you're using some idiotic stats about what the laity in the US are doing, as if it has any relevance to the teachings of the catholic church? imagine being this stupid.

i'm talking about the official doctrines of protestant churches, not just wacky people. and wow, here's the thing, it's because literally any wacky person can start their own church, and it literally happens. you can literally start your own e-church protestant denomination where you preach your own doctrine.

i'm not sure to reply to you in good faith or if you're just totally brain dead with arguments like what about james martin etc. it's a total strawman argument, no one is saying all so called catholics actually know or follow their faith. for protestants thats probably an issue because literally anyone can start their own version of some new denomination. for us the church teachings are the church teachings, that is the church. it's irrelevant if there are only 10 people who follow it or if literally no one follows it even. the church teachings don't change. there will never be gay marriage in the catholic church, but the protestant churches are overflowing with it. are they not protestants? are there not protestant denominations that officially teach it's okay to have gay sex and perform gay marriages? the answer is yes.

>Fast Food is Protestant

and the Filet-O-Fish is catholic

>>687126

5 splits in 2k years is a really good result.

Especially with the orientals officially agreeing with the rest they have the same christology, assyrians reconciling with Rome, and CC-EO Commission making breakthroughs every couple of years

>>686416

>schismatics schism from the pentarchy and then schism from one another

makes sense to me.

>>686522

Do you not eat food as if it is God's? Every single aspect of our life must be dedicated to God.

You say flesh like it's a bad thing. I personally don't hate the material world and neither does God.

>>686973

>so you just literally confirmed that protestants can't even decide of the bread of life is metaphorical or literal

I merely presented to you the different views found in different theological traditions.

The correct view is the Reformed view, btw.

>and are you really that braindead you're using some idiotic stats about what the laity in the US are doing, as if it has any relevance to the teachings of the catholic church? imagine being this stupid.

I could demonstrate that these abominable views are found among your clergy, too. But hey, that just means that I'm "braindead" and "stupid". Boy, if only I had the Vicar of Christ to tell me what to think!

>i'm talking about the official doctrines of protestant churches

You haven't cited any confessional statements, any synodal declarations, or anything of the sort.

>because literally any wacky person can start their own church

You are aware that there is a structure in most churches, right? That, quite literally, no one can just up and start a church without the approval of the elders.

I understand that you think Protestantism boils down to "me, my Bible, under a tree," but it's more organized than you give it credit for.

The Scriptures wouldn't have established the office of elder if any Tom, Dick, or Harry could just go and do whatever. And as for the "e-church" denominations, it goes back to why they founded it. If it was with the approval of the elders, then I'd wonder how they'd meet for the Lord's Day.

Otherwise, guaranteed to veer off the teachings of the Scriptures.

>i'm not sure to reply to you in good faith or if you're just totally brain dead with arguments like what about james martin etc

Is James Martin not a public figure? Is he not an ordained priest in your church?

Does he not have the authority to preach and teach?

See, in Protestant churches, elders would have no problem excommunicating him if he didn't stop teaching such blatant error. But Rome, for whatever reason, continues to let him do what he does.

>the church teachings are the church teachings

Might want to tell Pope Francis about this, since he's deciding that capital punishment is now "inadmissible".

But hey, he's the Pontifex Maximus and Vicar of Christ, he surely can't be wrong!

>are they not protestants

No, they're not. They claim the title but don't follow the teachings.

Otherwise they wouldn't be such heretics.

>are there not protestant denominatinons that officially teach it's okay to have gay sex and perform gay marriages?

It's a stretch to call them "Protestant", considering they usually have a low view of Scripture, allegorize almost everything, and ignore previous sub-Biblical credal statements that unambiguously decry sodomy as the wicked sin it is.

They consider Holy Writ to be fallible, historic products of fallible man without the charism of the Holy Spirit, so it's no surprise that they'll think they can ignore the clear condemnations from it.

I can tell by the way you're speaking and throwing around terms like "braindead" that you're a bit flustered.

Relax, breathe, drink some water. I understand it's difficult to be a Catholic these days, what with Francis doing his thing, the homosexual scandals in your clergy, and whatnot. Nonetheless, it's no reason to get so buttfrustrated.

>>687140

>dude 33,000 denominations lmao

<where do you get that number, sir?

>uh…dude muh 37,000!

<isn't that number from the World Christian Encyclopedia, which uses that number for the total Christian denominations, and that it's definition of "denomination" is so loose that two churches which believe the same things are counted as two denominations because they're in different countries?

>muh 43,000!

<isn't that the same source that says that Catholicism is composed of 242 denominations?

>MUH 55,000!

<isn't that the same source that says that the Roman Catholic church is the 5th largest persecutor of Christians, having killed 5,171,000 Christians?

>M U H 1 0 0 , 0 0 0

Sources: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/scottericalt/we-need-to-stop-saying-that-there-are-33000-protestant-denominations

https://www.aomin.org/aoblog/2007/08/22/the-33000-denominations-myth/

http://www.gordonconwell.edu/resources/documents/WCT_Martyrs_Extract.pdf

>>687268

>>687220

S I X M I L L I O N D E N O M I N A T I O N S

>>687031

>>Fast Food is Protestant

>

>and the Filet-O-Fish is catholic

What then is Orthodox?

>>687413

Street Gyros, obviously.

>>687460

>TFW no Ortho wife to make me Gyros

>>687220

My protestant family has at least 5 denominations on its own which I cannot group with anything I know.

bump

>>687218

>I merely presented to you the different views found in different theological traditions.

Things are only different when they aren't the same. Which is exactly his point. You can't say "We have the same faith" when, demonstrably, you don't. You may share some parts of a faith, but you can't state you share the same faith.

>Otherwise, guaranteed to veer off the teachings of the Scriptures.

Evidently, as above, this already happens. You can't say

>Protestants of the Reformed variety agree that Christ is spiritual present (how we don't know)

That is, to the exclusion of physical presence. And also say

>Lutherans say He's physically present, but the bread and wine don't change.

That is, not just spiritually present, and then claim neither group has veered from the teaching of scripture. They've reached a contradiction of faith, and only one group can be correct.

>It's a stretch to call them "Protestant", considering they usually have a low view of Scripture, allegorize almost everything, and ignore previous sub-Biblical credal statements that unambiguously decry sodomy as the wicked sin it is.

Unfortunately for you, you lack the authority to declare who is and is not protestant, and as demonstrated above, who is and is not correct on matters of biblical teaching. For another example, the contradiction in reformed and Lutheran baptismal teaching.

Luther's Large catechism:

>…also I can boast that Baptism is no human trifle, but instituted by God Himself, moreover, that it is most solemnly and strictly commanded that we must be baptized or we cannot be saved, lest any one regard it as a trifling matter, like putting on a new red coat…

Westminster confession of faith:

>Although it is a great sin to contemn or neglect this ordinance,[13] yet grace and salvation are not so inseparably annexed unto it, as that no person can be regenerated, or saved, without it:[14] or, that all that are baptized are undoubtedly regenerated

Luther also believed baptism always regenerated, which is another unbridgeable gap between the two faiths. You cannot say that only certain issues, like gay marriage, decide whether a group is "protestant" or more importantly holds the faith while stating that an unbridgeable gap on the core tenets of the faith is "just a different view, a different tradition" and does not remove the offending group from claiming they have the faith. It's nonsensical, only done to deny that Protestantism not only has no true unity, but instantly dismisses itself as an institution of God for God has established but One Faith, and that one faith cannot have two contradictory beliefs inside it.

The other anon was 100% correct when he stated

>you guys are totally lost and protestanism is 100% relativist. that's why you guys have lesbian trans leaders in your churches, because protestanism literally says interpret any way you like.

>>692922

this

>>686347

Surprising they could tear themselves away from excusing unending sex abuse and calling everything Gnostic to come up with this.

>be Protestant

>eat home cooked meals everyday

Can't wait for the upcoming claim that Protestants are the only ones who flush used toilet paper.

>>686422

>say you can read this book any way you want. that's exactly what relativism says you can interpret morality any way you want

https://rationalityofaith.wordpress.com/2016/10/30/how-the-17th-c-french-catholic-use-of-pyrrhonian-scepticism-against-calvinism-created-the-french-enlightenment-skeptics/

Atheism is unironically Protestant.

Which chain of fast food? Some aren't that bad.

>>686275

This is the level papists are reduced to. Had I not known better, I would think this is satire.

>>705481

Thank God apostates and Godlessness didn't exist till the day a letter detailing the RCC's corruption was nailed to a door of iniquity.

>CASH 4 HEAVEN

>just throw your money in the box and your relatives' souls will go rocketing into heaven

>Don't doubt me, it's the Papal truth!

What is this junk? Are we being raided?

>>686402

this

>>705505

>>705560

Nice arguments.

>>687126

And all those churches (minus anglimemes) are the only churches that actually believe Jesus when his instituted the eucharist that it was his flesh and blood for us to eat and partake in

>>687220

Ok sweety let's brake it down to the basics, we have these type of protestants that we can sometimes generally and I really stress generally lump together.

>Calvinist le God is the master puppet master no freewill "Christians"

"nothing you do can save you, so get off my lawn you dirty mexican"

>Evangelical just accept Jesus into your heart as personal lord and savior

"Jesus wants me to get a divorce lol"

>Mainline aka lite Catholics without any of the weird mexican stuff

"dude what if we had women priests, everyone is so old that nobody in pews would notice"

>Pentecostal mystics

"wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? :^D"

>Braptists

"JESUS HAD A BUZZCUT, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HELL, ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED UNLESS YOU WEREN'T REALLY SAVED"

>>686577

>I haven't spent time in any other European protestant country so I can only compare with American culture.

That's alright, France is the only one outside of Italy with decent cuisine anyway. Noone ever talks about the marvels of British or German cooking.

>>705629

Now do Romishism.

>>705629

>wanna hear the most annoying sound in the world? :^D

>JESUS HAD A BUZZCUT

giggled

>>687478

Define denomination