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>>685118

>Is God separate from creation?

Define "separate".

Any similarity between Creator and Creation is far less than difference between them. But created human nature can be divinized and is in fact united to Divine Person.

>Is the creation filled with God or is creation inside God?

God is not body therefore you cannot technically say that creation is filled with/inside of God, strictly speaking. Rather he is present. To quote Augustine.

Nevertheless, he is not distributed through space by size so that half of him should be in half the world and half in the other half of it. He is wholly present in all of it in such wise as to be wholly in heaven alone and wholly in the earth alone and wholly in heaven and earth together; not confined in any place, but wholly in himself everywhere.

>If creation and God are separate is he really omnipresent? Doesn't that then make him finite since he has separation?

God is not present in corporal way.

>And if creation is in God why is it so fallen?

God is not creation, creation is not God.

Also, do yourself a favor and read first part of Summa.

>>685118

Hopefully these words will give you the right image: God is in all things, and through all things, and all things are "in" Him by Him being infinite, but He is not all things. This is Eastern Orthodox panentheism (to be distinguished from heretical panentheism), and all Christians believe it (even if they don't admit it, the scriptures plainly say this). "In Him we live and move and have our being" and a verse that basically says what I said before. When it comes to baptism, then the Holy Spirit (really the whole Trinity, but we use the Holy Spirit for this) moves into your body permanently (unless you offend Him), so then you have the indwelling of Him. In the Eucharist, unlike everywhere else, God IS the thing (which is why it's special).

>>685118

>>685163

It's not panentheism because it's not panentheism. Just because God can dwell somewhere or anywhere or in somewhere doesn't mean he is it, which is what panentheism is. Panentheism says that the creation is literally part of the creator, the only difference is that it's not limited to just the visible created world.

The reason why pantheism/panentheism is nonsense is very simple. It calls that part of God (humans, creation, etc) has been defiled by something (they usually say maya, illusion, ego, ignorance etc). Which is stupid - God cannot be deceived, cannot be subject to ignorance, can never be defiled. No part of creation can ever be

"part of God" because part of God can never be defiled. God is always pure forever. God can dwell in anywhere he wants though, that's different. If i live in a house, it doesn't mean I am the house.

Gods essence is transcendent . gods energies(miracles/manifestations/word/presence) are all present within and behind creation.

He is both transcendent and immanent.