/christian/ - Christian Discussion and Fellowship

>>677534

Nothing wrong with reddit itself, its just popular and thus attracts more normies and averages. And you know what people these are.

>>677553

Plus the websites' rules allow for censorship of unpopular opinions.

>>677534

The entire site is admin by SJWs from top to bottom.

Sage for the third Reddit thread this month

>>677558

Atheism thrives when free speech is limited

>>677590

Pretty much all of history disagrees with this statement.

If anything it is the opposite. When you relax the moral and religious standards in a country, then the fedoras come out of the woodwork.

>>677595

>When you relax the moral and religious standards

>Anything to do with free speech

>>677597

They have everything to do with free speech. When you no longer enforce an orthodoxy that cannot (and should not) be questioned, you open up the doors to scepticism and then outright blasphemy.

Free speech is incompatible with Christanity and only larpers think otherwise.

If you think it would help, think of a few examples where atheism flourished as a result of there being no free speech.

>>677600

USSR, Modern day China..

>>677600

The USA.

>>677605

Speaking only of the medieval Catholic Church, I think I agree somewhat. When Luther came along he actually begged to be debated and proven wrong but from what I understand no one would bother with it, they just told him to shut up and go away, then excommunicated him when he persisted.

Personally I put this down to hubris and complacency on the part of the leaders of the church as well as a kind of exhaustion on their part, too. The days of disputations seemed to be gone, due to the sheer volume of novel heretical sects that seemed to be appearing, and so it seemed that it was decided that the best ways of dealing with them was either to destroy them or to tell them to stop, hoping they would come to their senses because "Roma locuta, causa finita."

>>677605

>>677606

I think we might be arguing at crossed purposes here.

Those countries are both officially/state-atheist because of the enforced Party orthodoxies, AND they don't have freedom of speech for the same reason (or at least the kind that "matters" i.e. criticising government and being able to live). These were religious/traditionally minded nations which had much of their culture erased by rationalist-materialists, and were told that Gods are dumb superstitions and that only man and the state matter, and any opposition to this was also destoryed. These countries didn't incidentally become atheist because the state bore down heavily on them and took away their "free speech" (in Imperial Russia or Manchu China of all places), they were made atheist because the state demanded it.

>>677612

The point is freedom of speech can be suppressed to force any particular viewpoint. Of course if there is state-mandated Christianity more people will claim to be Christians, but this also could go the other way, like with China and the USSR. Also, censoring people's questions will leave them unanswered, and result in them falling away from faith.

>>677616

I get that, which is why I believe catechism is essential. It's why I believe we should be using that great treasury of apologetics more often, from the very top of the hierarchy down to the pews, and even beyond where necessary.

There is nothing more ridiculous to me than hearing from some apparently earnest soul some stndard tale like "I asked my priest/nun in school a question about [abortion/homosexuality/contraception/islam/the Flood] and they couldn't answer it so it made me start to question the faith in general". It's little things like this that help break up the flock, and these little cracks have had seismic effects on devotion in the past century, where it seems like once again the Church is slipping into complacency.

Free speech (i.e. the diversity of opinions) does not need to play a part in this, however. Sure let them ask questions, but let them always remember that there is an ultimate Orthodoxy.

>>677534

just a product of modern day culture. you can be pretty openly christian on the_donald, that's about it really. the christianity subreddit's top active mod is an atheist, regularly denigrates christianity, and "homophobia" is a bannable offence there. it's all just one big joke.

we need to step up and be more hardline, make it hell for people who are trying to push this atheistic christianity. the issue is that christians stopped standing up for ourselves. we allowed people to just endlessly shittalk falsehoods about the church and the faith to the extent that people actually believed it.

>>677595

What weird Marxist history book are you reading? Guess North Korea, USSR, Cuba, etc were/are a bastions of free speech

>>677618

Without free speech Christians couldn't speak up about issues like infanticide. Also there are many disagreements between denominations.

>>677621

See

>>677612

You are getting the cart before the horse here. Those Marxists only came along because the princes of Christendom decided that profit and convnience were more important than orthodoxy.

>>677622

>Without free speech Christians couldn't speak up about issues like infanticide.

With or without freedom of speech, it shouldn't matter. We have a pedigree of defiance of unjust satanic laws. This would be as ridiculous as early Christians appealing to the Roman State to complain that being made to offer incense violated their freedom of conscience. They just refused to do it, and for the glory of God their sacrifice is why we are here today.

>>677628

Christian Zionism is the worst attack on Christianity in it's history. Everything started to go downhill when the Protestants started believing that "Israel" in the Bible literally meant the state of Israel and not the body of believers in Christ.

>>677625

This is a misreading of late antiquity and medieval philosophy. Most early fathers believed in the worth of some pagan philosophy, believing that you shouldn't toss the baby out with the bathwater. St Basil the Great even recommends it in his Address to Young Men, advising young men to treat pagan philosophy like bees treat flowers - take what is good, but not necessarily everything.

>Constantine

This is a serious claim to make, so I would like some sort of subsantiation. Even if you take the fact that the Western Church suffered a kind of intellectual "slump" (although it didn't, really), the old scholarly tradition was still alive and well in the East.

Also, Aristotle wasn't "The" Philosopher because he was the only one people knew, he was "The" philosopher because he was considered the best. This would be like arguing that St Paul was the only apostle because of how many FAthers referred to him as "The" apostle.

>The Churches didn't know what to do, they dealt in dogma and communities, not in rhetoric or debates.

I don't know where you are getting your information from, but disputation with pagans and Jews was a real thing up until the Reformation, with missions going as far as China and Japan do debte the veracity of the Christian religion against local priests.

>>677632

It’s such an obvious semantic trick too. Jews behave nothing like a people chosen by God should, whereas well-behaved white Christians do. That’s probably why most people who live near jews aren’t zionists.

>>677651

>Christian persecution against the hellenes

Disregarded.

>>677651

Your source is an anti-Christian guy who cites his own books?

Even taking it at face value, I thought you implied something else (that is, the "le ebul Constantinianity" meme). I can deal with suppressing pagans.

>Oh, missionaries are good at debating and using theosophy. But I was speaking of domestic churches.

Again, that's a scandalous claim to make about theosophy.

About domestic churches, I already covered this by talking about disputations.

>>677553

>normies

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

This is going to come off as elitist, fart-sniffing and normalfag bashing, maybe even similar to something fedoras themselves would say, but I think it's true. Religious people tend to either have high-level intelligence or low-level intelligence. The people in the middle, however, tend to drift towards atheism because they are smart enough to ask all the big philosophical, theological, and scientific questions, unlike the people with low-level intelligence, but they are unable to comprehend the answers to those questions, unlike the people with high-level intelligence. I'm not saying these people can't be saved, anyone can, these just people have a greater tendency to drift towards atheism for some reason.

TL;DR:atheists are usually normalfags of middling intelligence and reddit is mostly made up of normalfags of middling intelligence. You do the math.

>>677625

>What is St. Thomas Aquinas

>What is St. Jerome

Don't be retarded anon

>>677777

Holy quints!

Entertainment is satanic prayer.

They can't spend 15 minutes without going to their phone, Netflix, video games, etc.

This low attention span makes their very existence hell on Earth. They can't spend 5 minutes inside their own head. They truly are in hell already.

Of course, it's a feedback loop.

The way they answered the question that it is either God or the Void, is by never asking it in the first place by instead listening to black man mumbling over electronic music, watching anime and playing video games.

>>677921

I don't get it.

Are you mocking him?

>>677625

>le ebin Athens vs Jerusalem false dichotomy.

Read about Justin Martyr.

I really should stop coming to this place.

>>683723

Thank you.

St John Crysostom also had a very strong opinion about how theatrics are unChristian for this reason. I wonder what he would've said about Netflix, which is owned by the nephew of Edwards Bernays and is related to Freud.

>>677548

>fasting and cold showers

My man.

>Visit r/christianity

>It's full of liberals cheering on homosexuals who escape their evil homophobic christian parents

What the winnie the pooh? How do these people even call themselves Christian?

>>683725

tfw when i look this up and it's true. How much of society is pure satanistic conspiracy?