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>>677400

That question might belong in the orthodox general thread. Other than that - I'm not orthodox but Catholic, but nonetheless - how long have you been in now ? Overall I mean. It's not like you "must feel it" although that's an often recurring theme.

If you can't accept Catholic Church teaching I must tell you something: You don't decide what the Truth is, not the least over your feelings. But anyway - you sound like you lack regular prayer. People that don't have a prayer rule - or at least pray and meditate a bit every day - often seem to struggle with their faith and "feeling it".

Try that - and for the sake of love, talk to your confessor/priest about this instead of searching deeply spiritual advice on a chinese cartoon blanket knitting forum.

God bless you on your ways and I hope everything goes well ! Don't be discouraged, get a spiritual guide.

>>677404

I don't want strictly orthodox answers, but nonetheless should I delete this thread and post in the orthodox thread?

>>677400

Stay where you feel the Church has true beliefs. I haven't really liked going to church in a while, but usually it's still to my benefit one way or another so I go. I'm more a fan of Western aesthetics myself and two of my favorite spiritual activities are the rosary and the stations of the cross, so I do them, but I really do wish I could do them in an Orthodox church more than like once a year when I make my way to a Western Rite church. It sucks when your feelings and your beliefs are at odds, but I think you need to just embrace it as a struggle that you're in now and will probably pass. I'll second a prayer rule and talking to your priest, and if you don't already have a rule talk through it with your priest, don't just make up your own or you'll probably ditch it as easily as you created it. You don't need to delete your thread, but you might get some more help in the other thread, but the same people probably will end up here.

>>677413

I wish, closest western rite church to me is a 3 hours drive, so 6 hours to go and come back…

>>677413

First pic is the church I visit some times. Really nice people and they had a meal after most of the services I've gone to where you can actually talk to people and stuff. Also if you go to a western rite church see if they have the black prayer book with golden letters, I think its called St. Benedicts prayer book or some other Western saint, lots of nice stuff that's not in most Orthodox prayer books like prayers to Joseph, the rosary, and some other stuff, also a nice examination in preparation for confession

High Church Lutheranism

>>677421

Ya, he can go to either of them

What's your problem with the DL? The Mass is nearly identical you know. They have the same structure.

>>677432

Have you been to a divine liturgy?

>>677433

Every Sunday, yes.

>>677435

And you've been to a mass? Sure they're closer than protty services, but they aren't nearly identical.

>>677432

Same structure, extremely different execution

>>677438

I also go to Mass every Sunday evening.

Mass has an organ instead of singing, and the anaphora is shorter. Big deal.

>>677439

Not really. Sure, they're two different traditions, and the Roman Catholic liturgy mirrors the usual distinction between Western and Eastern ecclesiological focus (West focuses more on the Corss, East focuses more on Pentecost), notably with how the moment of consecration happens at the words of institution. But the differences are frankly minor. An organ instead of a choir, no iconostasis, the priest faces the people.

Anyway, I repeat my question

>>677400

What's your problem with the DL?

>>677400

>the catholic church, its spirituality, I feel a connection with its saints

If possible, can you tell what you like in the spirituality of the Catholic church and its saints?

>>677443

Tbh I get the best of both worlds - a big fancy Divine Liturgy on Sundays, and a more quiet and toned down Divine Liturgy on Wednesdays (since nobody shows up). I feel lucky.

>>677516

>I feel lucky

Try "Blessed"

>>677518

Yeah, everyone standing packed together with kids yelling and people smelling. Unfortunately my schedule don't allow me to go to vespers or other less busy services.

God is calling you to stop ortholarping and join his Church.

>I just can't accept many of its dogmas

Not the best reasoning. Many people leave the church because they "cant accept" the churches teaching on abortion or homosexuality. It doesnt make their feelings valid. The church has been around 2,000 and developed a very deep theology that nobody on earth can fully understand. It's our responsibility to accept that we wont understand it all.

Come home brother

>>677400

Catholic in the opposite situation here.

We must accept that after schism both churches produced saints and were vehicles of grace.

To me there is really no answer, the only apparent thing is that the claims both churches make about the other are wrong, at least in part.

Sometimes I wish we could just undo all the philosophizing and return to simple Apostolic theology.

>>677526

Oh me too brother, the schism has been such a terrible wound on the body of Christ. It seems both church are missing something the other has

>>677523

Ironic.

>>677443

Are you thinking Tridentine or Missae Paul VI?

>>677592

Tridentine

>>677547

yeah, the catholic church is missing schism and potentially heresy. oh how we miss that… except no. the orthodox church really does allow and permit grave sin, such as divorce, birth control, and says things like st. francis of assisi was under "muh prelest", amongst other nonsensical things liek muh fire on an inaccurate calendar.

meanwhile we have eucharistic miracles, marian apparitions, the most holy rosary, and well a full real church. oh we're missing ex-prot OrthoLARPers, yeah we're oh so incomplete without them haha.

>>678130

Orthodoxy has a monastic tradition in better shape than Catholic orders (despite their glorious history).

I say they also have a more developed spiritual fatherhood, even though it's a consequence of the first point.

For now they also lack the widespread infestation of modernistic bishops, I don't think they are immune like they claim

>>678171

Their immunity is the lack of a centralized bureaucracy that the Catholics have. The majority of bishops are still drawn from the monasteries as well.

>>678157

ya this is a good compromise.