ab5541 No.676620
What are some of your favorite Christian books that aren't the Bible? What has helped your spiritual development?
For me I've read and enjoyed
>Manual for Spiritual Warfare
>Manual for Marian Devotion
>Seven Storey Mountain
>Ladder of Divine Ascent
.Augustines Confessions
8a9fda No.676621
>>676620
>Mere Christianity
>Unseen Warfare
>The King James Bible XD
7185c1 No.676622
>Living God: A Catechism for the Christian Faith
>The Filioque: History of a Doctrinal Controversy
>The Papacy and the Orthodox
>Encountering the Mystery: Understanding Orthodox Christianity Today
>The Mystery of the Trinity: Trinitarian Experience and Vision in the Biblical and Patristic Tradition
>The New Testament: A Translation
ab5541 No.676623
Here's a useful pic for anyone who wants some ideas for books to read
db8ed0 No.676625
>>676622
>>Encountering the Mystery: Understanding Orthodox Christianity Today
Is it good? very liberal? It has chapters on racism, globalization, and social justice, which always makes me cautious.
7185c1 No.676626
>>676625
The EP does a good job at taking on these issues from a purely (Orthodox) Christian perspective.
The overall theme is "racism is an issue, globalization is an issue, the secular ideals of social justice are problematic, and Orthodoxy has the answer to all that".
The overall book is a bit lacking in profound content, since it is more of an urgent call to stop running into a wall, aimed at the secular world, than a message targeted at his own flock. But it neatly gathers what the Patriarch has always been saying about social justice, the environment, the state of society, globalization, etc. and always remains a purely Orthodox perspective on these subjects, rather than a more vague message that doesn't revolve around Christ directly.
5f7612 No.676634
>>676620
>What are some of your favorite Christian books that aren't the Bible?
Maccabees.
ab5541 No.676637
>>676634
One day we'll have a thread without Baptists shitposting, but it will not be this day
8b0858 No.676678
>>676620
Some books that have some Christian aspects and theme in it is most of the well known books by Dostoyevsky and Don Quixote.
I just finished reading Don Quixote a couple days ago and it's probably one of my favorite books out there. It's hilarious and at the same time, sad, especially in the ending of the book.
857f08 No.676822
9d3afd No.676838
>>676622
>The Papacy and the Orthodox
I have this book its not worth the price otherwise its ok the best part was the different ways that Church fathers interpreted matthew 16 and how they're not generally mutually exclusive
10a635 No.676841
>>676623
I’ve been reading through this chart, I’m on Backpacking With Dracula right now. It’s pretty good. I’m thinking of replacing Demons, Billy Budd, and the Hobbit with Crime and Punishment, Moby Dick, and the Lord Of The Rings respectively
9928f5 No.676946
>>676620
I've been reading The Desert Fathers. Not only is the zeal inspirational, but so is the mercy of these men. To emulate them would be arduous, but I pray that I may learn as much as I can from their example.
9f0570 No.678996
I dub thee a chart thread
9f0570 No.678997
>>678996
My bad I didn't know one was just incomplete
9f0570 No.679001
More. I'm Catholic but have a fascination with Orthodoxy and have been meaning to check out the Eastern Rite parish by my house.
9f0570 No.679002
Didn't mean to send so soon.
fdfae2 No.679004
9d8066 No.679314
>>676622
>>676838
Would any of you lads have a copy of the papacy and the orthodox? I cannot find a pdf anywhere online and the price is quote absurd.
3cf0cc No.679315
>>676623
I pretty sure there's another version of this chart with a vastly improved Protestant section.
>William Blake
>Christian
>Let alone Protestant
098431 No.679316
>>676838
I think that the price is worth it considering the volume of the book. It also undoes a lot of Orthodox propaganda, and collects what modern scholarship has to say about the subject.
>>679314
I found it on scribd some time ago but it got removed, sadly.
I think you're better off saving money until you can afford it.
3afbbe No.679320
>>679002
>christian anime
>see first anime
>DragonballZ
>Dragon
>Goku, not human, literally born with a tail
>Christ-like figure
Anime is good only for memes. Anime apologetics is heresy. Nothing more nothing less.
>inb4 stop being mean anon
Ok, masonry can be seen as a christian like organisation.
-fight for truth
-had to struggle to make the world free
-have Bibles in their temples
-praise the eye of God
-have charities
-promote culture and technology
Do you see how easy it is to twist the truth?
The symbolism in anime is heresy. Watch an anime, sure, but don't you ever dare to call monsters Christ-like figures.
Watch your *stupid* anime and leave Jesus alone.
5f919a No.679339
For me, personally it went in this order of posted pics.
And then finally at seemingly orthodoxy, although still discerning. But i actually like Jay's Articles they're good reads on this one right now.
https://jaysanalysis.com/2014/06/23/creation-metaphysics-and-a-single-unified-science/.
So far those are the books i've read alongside, C.S Lewis doodles. His talk on living in an Atomic age really hit the nail on the head for just plain, Naturalism and Materialism, and how these Philosophies are dead ends.
6068c7 No.679348
YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.
>>679002
>>679320
>Goku, not human, literally born with a tail
>Christ-like figure
Hes literally the anti-christ, here is the clip where he falls from heaven and automatically enjoys hell more. https://youtube.com/watch?v=NSvBnJugYrQ
The video in this post, shows the satanic details in the Anime (Do what thou wilt, teaching sin as successful, the use of Satan, the japanese name for the dragon they wish to has a divine context), the only bad part of it is the author mentions reptiles, but the rest of the details are good.
>inb4 tigger
6c833b No.679373
>>679348
No dude, i was talking about the anime list
Here:
>>679002
I know Goku is bad. That's my point. Read better what i said in the post.
8de031 No.679392
>>679348
Yeah, those kind of videos are grasping at straws.
Goku is based on son wukong, a character from journey to the west, that's why he has a tale, because he's based on a monkey guy.
What I've seen of dragonball doesn't have any buddist propganda in it. Sure it has "ki", but it doesn't mention buddism.
Dragonball is no more satantic than any other secular show.
I'm not saying it's a good show I'm just saying it's not literal satanic propganda
6068c7 No.679489
>>679392
>(1)
>Let me ignore everything you posted and reassure you that you're wrong. by the way buddism influenced the charters, and I'm going to vaguely tell you that the video is grasping at straws.
gb2 the nerve center
b061bc No.683900
Is there a book by an Orthodox priest, that talks about the want to unify with the Catholic Church?
2af336 No.683906
>>679348
>falls to hell and likes it
Absurd. Goku doesn't belong in hell, he's pure hearted, so of course it's not going to bother him when he accidentally falls into hell. He's also depicted as being stronger than the demons in hell, that's why he can go around as his happy-go-lucky self. One demon helped him escape hell after he lost a sumo match to Goku…
>Hes literally the anti-christ,
Except that's wrong, he's selfless and pure-hearted and even after he dies he doesn't remain in heaven but condescends back down to earth to repeatedly save mankind from destruction. And he doesn't even get the credit, everyone on earth thinks Mr.Satan is Earth's Hero.
He has no lust or greed in him, for example when Princess Snake tried to seduce him he didn't even understand what was going on because his intentions are always good.
>Do what thou wilt
Got any examples? Do what thou wilt is fine when what you will is always good.
> teaching sin as successful
sin leads to hell, thats why the bad guys are put in hell and the good guys go to heaven.
Do you have anything substantive to add? Cause your ideas are nonsense.
>Mr. Satan name is Satan
and he is depicted as a weak willed, cowardly and fame seeking guy who gets respect he doesn't deserve. Also he's a joke character.
2af336 No.683908
>>679348
Also to add the flying nimbus confirms Goku is extremely good as only the pure of heart can ride it not even Krillin could ride it (because he looks at adult magazines). And when Goku fought Devilman he was immune to his Devilbeam attack because he was so pure hearted, nothing in him to exploit…
461075 No.683914
>>679002
>Neon genesis evangelion
>/christian/ anime
Regardless the fact the symbolism is mostly for show it's also gnostic and new-age to the core. The goal of the NERV being to fuse all of mankind into a single psychic entity so "there is no pain anymore"
Plenty of neo-spirituality school teach stuff like this.
Look, I like anime. You can like anime but this list really comes accross as "I like this, and it has alright morals/superficial religious symbolism so it's christian."
Well, there is good to be found everywhere anyway and if a particular anime inspires you it's great. I'm just talking about the general attitude.
461075 No.683915
>>683914
Also
>anime list about "christian" morals
>No Kaiji
tsst tsst tstt
8679db No.683918
e8619b No.683930
>>679003
I've read the orthodox way by Timothy ware and it is not 558 pages long. It's like 350 max.
221307 No.683937
>>683918
No one's stealing anything.
971aed No.683939
>>679320
>Watch your *stupid* anime and leave Jesus alone.
baww leave me alone
>Anime apologetics is heresy.
Has some content, the writter of it as Shintoist, Polytheists.
Now anime has a type of respect in its language for Christianity that Western Media doesn't.
Western Media is vicious on Christianity.
What message does this tell us?
4fbb63 No.683941
>>683939
>Now anime has a type of respect in its language for Christianity that Western Media doesn't.
???
Most of the time it's used as a cool exotic symbolism when they're not outright saying that the church is evil and that you should kill god in one way or another.
I sure do love seeing Joan of arc used as fapbait by Fate:Stay night.
db40cd No.683970
>>679320
do you have assburgers?
>The symbolism in anime is heresy. Watch an anime, sure, but don't you ever dare to call monsters Christ-like figures.
oh boy you would hate C.S. Lewis
2af336 No.683972
>>679320
Goku is Christ-like though, since he saves the world and is pure hearted, basically a saint who knows martial arts.
Anyone who besmirches Goku is ignorant of his character or ignorant of morality in general.
4fbb63 No.683989
DUDE GOKU IS A CHRIST-LIKE AND A HERO LOL
I'll quote Akira Toriyama himself
"http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/wired-japan-1997-akira-toriyama-interview/
Wired: There’s actually “poison” inside?
Toriyama: Right. There’s how, basically, Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn’t fight for the sake of others, but because he wants to fight against strong guys. So once Dragon Ball got animated, at any rate, I’ve always been dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal they gave him. I guess I couldn’t quite get them to grasp the elements of “poison” that slip in and out of sight among the shadows.
Wired: Perhaps that’s because it’s animation aimed at children, after all?
Toriyama: Well, that might be some of it, too."
And even in the anime, Goku lets evil lives (Piccolo) because he wants to fight him again, not because "he might become good one day lol"
Same for the cyborgs, they had the chance to kill them before they even appeared and spare the death of many people but "lmao i want to fight them bro"
I like dragon ball, but stop. You guys are childish. Christ is nothing like goku.
221307 No.683999
>>683989
>be talking about the anime
>can't prove point cuz small-brained
>bring up manga
>quote interview saying manga is different from anime
wew
4fbb63 No.684003
>>683999
>And even in the anime
>And even in the anime
>And even in the anime
Read everything instead of using cheap greentext to escape. He might be more righteous, he is still not the selfless saint you imagine him to be; You might as well say that superman or most of western superheroes who save people are christ-like figure, but no you won't because it's not BASED ANIME.
2af336 No.684005
>>683989
That's because Goku is naive and that's how he maintains moral purity. If he was too aware of right and wrong he'd probably make mistakes. He's the happy go lucky type who always does what is good by intuition , even if his intention is to challenge himself by giving bad guys a second chance. And by giving them a second chance sometimes they convert to the good side….like piccolo and the androids and maybe freeza now.
Anyway Devilman confirmed Goku never had a negative thought and flying nimbus proves he's pure hearted which is extremely rare.
He's definitely a good role model for work ethic, optimism, being joyful and caring. In DBZ and beyond he's definitely interested in saving his friends and the world, and loves them a lot.
2af336 No.684006
>>684003
>>684003
Don't you ever besmirch Goku or Superman. They are saints.
>tfw auto correct changes Goku to Holy.
wew
642070 No.684009
>>684006
This is what autism does to you, it leads you to making false idols out of superheroes written by japs and jews.
4fbb63 No.684011
>>684005
Yes goku is a good person, no arguing about that, but it's quite baffling people are so deep into anime, or perhaps to validate their interest, they will be as far as declaring profane characters christ-like or saints. Not even a deliberate christ-like allegory like Aslan, nope, Goku.
Now it's fine if he inspires you, Ipman (the movie character by Donnie Yen, not the real guy) inspire me, am I going to compare him to real-life saints and triviliaze religion? No.
It's profane art, and while there are good lessons to be learned from it, don't try to make it holy or whatever. It's an ultimately childish way of thinking, in the same way normal animefans always try to argue that "anime is very deep! Look at this surface level philosophy namedrop going on in Ghost in the shell" some people in christian like to grasp at straws to make their hobby seem legitimate
____
Now to get back on the topic (LITTERATURE) you can't go wrong with Dostoeivsky
2af336 No.684012
>>684009
Christ is a jew. Neither goku nor superman are Jews.
They are role models not idols, like saints.
db40cd No.684017
END WITH THIS AUTISM AND TALK ABOUT LITERATURE
eef037 No.684020
>>684017
On that note, I'd like to repeat my question from >>683900
Is there any book by an Orthodox priest that expresses the desire for reunification with the Catholic Church?
ec6517 No.684022
>>679006
>>679003
>>679002
>>679001
>>678996
>>676841
>>676623
These lists are nice and all but how am I supposed to know what each is about and why I should read it? This thread should be for talking about books you read and why you liked them.
97a528 No.684023
>>678996
does anyone have that one "Christian challenge" chart. One of the challenges was to read Gospels in one month, but I lost the pic after that
221307 No.684026
>>684023
Just read them in a day.
Also, if you're not reading in Greek and doing textual criticism, I don't see the point.
97a528 No.684087
>>684026
I hope someone has the chart though, I ain't that advanced yet
5ea6a3 No.684251
>>684023
One of these two? Found them both today in the /sig/ thread that's up.
a7e800 No.684291
a7e800 No.684292
>>683914
actually, while god only knowns what the true intent of evangelion is, there are some interesting conclusions that can be drawn overall which are relevant to christianity, vs newage/gnostic/eastern thought.
the idea of fading into nothing, everything dissolving into one great pantheistic blob is something pretty common in these thoughts, that maya/ego/(in this case the AT field) is what is causing pain and suffering and if everyone just realized they were just one and literally became one big blob, this is the answer.
this eastern/newage nonsense is actually pretty popular amongst hippies and the like and western 'spiritual people'.
however shinji rejects this notion, and while everything isn't really clear, he rejects that concept or notion, and feels that being separated as an individual, despite there being pain and suffering is still worth it. now christianity is the one religion that really emphasizes that suffering is something to be embraced, for our rolemodel and example, the way the truth and the life, willing suffered more than anyone could possibly ever. so the idea of willingly suffering or there being some redemptive quality in suffering seems to be there.
also we reject the idea of us just dissolving and losing ourselves into nothingness. we remain individuals, like the saints in heaven, even after we experience the beatific vision. despite there being a form of oneness or unity in that all of the church triumphant (or saved) are united with God through the beatific vision, we are still individuals, with our own bodies.
I'm not sure how much other orthodox interpretations you can take from evangelion - i haven't thought about it too much yet, but there is a bit.
4e901b No.684363
>>684292
Art is a mirror of one's self. Nothing is totally devoid of light in some ways, and your interpreation is quite fine although individualism is pretty common is the modern (japanese) zeitgest… which is why they like the "kill God" trope so much, there's nothing better to express the desire to free oneself from the natural laws of the universe, it's basically luciferian to the core (no, I don't mean lucifer is making rpgs, I'm saying rejecting God/Rightful authority is a luciferian attitude)
Now I'm just gonna say something…
Evangelion is the anime where Lilith, a kabbalistic invention from the middle age is shown crucified like our Lord…
Either you accept that it's pure style and meaningless, or Evangelion's symbolism is actually relevant.
In both case, it's unchristian as F*CK
cd0ace No.684936
>>684011
Read Crime and Punishment years ago and it's probably one of the biggest things that turned me towards being a Christian now that I think about it.
I started reading The Brothers Karamazov a few weeks ago, and even though I'm a slow reader and haven't made it far, I haven't been so involved in a book since I was a kid. Good feels from both. I plan on reading everything he's written once I get through this behemoth of a novel. I'm not a big reader but no other author has given me such genuine gut laughs and feelings of sympathy for his characters.
a7e800 No.685345
>>684363
we can always try and come up with some orthodox interpretation for it. i wonder if that might be a good project to come up with some orthodox interpretation for eva and then spread it to anime fans etc. sort of like what jordan peterson did with all those fedoras.
also jordan peterson is pretty damn deceptive watching his career more. he keeps claiming he's a left leaning person, but what does he say that's actually left leaning? he keeps tweeting out climate denial stuff, is on pragerU, tweets out straight up republican points like about how all the black cities are democrat controlled etc. i'm certain he's pretty right leaning, but keeps saying he's left leaning.
he also did make a bit of a slip up (i think?) in a reddit AMA, where someone asked why doesn't he explicitly support christianity, and he replied saying because he feels it's stronger to support it implicitly. however yeah, i'm pretty sure he's still a junging pseudo gnostic, and yeah i actually haven't watched all that much of his stuff, but if you've ever read some church fathers, his stuff is pretty damn basic - it's only interesting to the loads of fedoras who never learned anything about religion, or learned a bit of the trash "evangelical" nonsense that gets passed around in america and think they know all about christianity.
i'll have to do some thinking to see if i can create some sort of theory to give it some orthodox interpretation.
3b17d5 No.685365
>>684251
>choose a personal vice and abstain from it for a month
hmmm….
460c46 No.685375
Anyone here read the Mystical City of God? (Not to be confused with St Augustines City of God)
a7e800 No.685599
>>685375
no i've heard that it goes on and on and on though. i'm sort of weary of marian maximalism. i think because of defending prottys we tend to not think that marian maximalism is an actual thing. i do intend to getting around to reading it at some point though.
76209c No.685601
>>676620
The Great Divorce by CS Lewis. Also The Screwtape Letters because I learned something I didn't know when I needed it the most.
5903d7 No.685625
>>683906
>Absurd. Goku doesn't belong in hell, he's pure hearted, so of course it's not going to bother him when he accidentally falls into hell.
He found heaven boring and fell asleep that's why he feel from heaven, exactly like lucifer.
>Except that's wrong, he's selfless and pure-hearted
Hes not though, he selfish to his family and gluttonous.
>He has no lust or greed in him
The seven sins are broken into different characters, Master Roshi's sin is lust.
>>Do what thou wilt
>Got any examples?
Do what feels best, the video should have illustrated how positive sin is portrayed, like Vegeta's envy.
Also the name of the dragon of the dragon balls (the one you make wishes to) is nammed Shenron meaning "Divine Dragon" or "God Dragon"
>and he is depicted as a weak willed, cowardly and fame seeking guy who gets respect he doesn't deserve. Also he's a joke character.
The video answers this. 41:49
>>683908
It doesn't matter what kind of exoteric mechanism that show uses to show that Goku is pure (which is exactly how those that worship Lucifer describe him, as innocent, pure.). He is still a gluttonous, absent father who is bored of heaven and enjoys hell, the surface interpretation of the story is a contradiction.
8f3f6e No.685666
>>685625
Wait are we talking about the original series or Z?
c68432 No.685669
>>685666
Haha, those are some fitting Satan trips. Both the original and DBZ.
6149a0 No.687251
>>676620
>no book of Enoch yet
I hope it's because you faggots consider it part of the Bible.