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I actually saw Slayer last month. They were pretty good. Me and my buddy were the only guys there without tattoos.

The appeal of metal to me is like you state in the third paragraph; metal is the closest thing we have to modern classical and musically-educated music. When I saw Dream Theater, I was blown away my their musical prowess. Listening to Symphony X and Nevermore (totally gnostic/athiest lyrical garbage) is still a wonderful experience, due to the musical technically and mastery of their art. There are great metal options for those opposed to the lyrics, such as anything by Ron Jarzombek or Keith Merrow.

The phenomenon you refer to in the third paragraph about the monotony is a noticable problem in modern metal. Prog, instead of being about being different, is now about everyone being the same… in a different way. Think of it like when counterculture becomes norm: Every prog metal band sounds different from normal metal bands… but they sound the same as other prog bands.

I think that this music and the Faith are mostly compatible, and can be healthy as long as a Christ-first mindset always comes first. Have an understand that the lyrics are garbage, but they are still showing mastery of the gift of music that we are blessed with, even if the music is not being used to praise Christ as Luther stated it should be.

In all fairness, the songs of a musical genre you haven't developed an ear for are all going to sound the same. There's some crossover in fanbase, but not entirely. There's many who stick to traditional heavy metal that can't stand the newer subgenres.

Heavy metal is the logical conclusion of rock music. It was The Beatles who mainstreamed mysticism, drug use, and sexual hedonism. The moral order was completely thrown out during the 60's, which is when the horror genre arose (a symptom of mass sexual depravity). Bands like Black Sabbath, KISS, and The Misfits suddenly appear, the kernel of every metal subgenre from then on. Then you've got Judas Priest and Iron Maiden who both sing explicitly about the devil. Metallica shows up and ditches the campy costumes but keeps the rebellion and anger. Women are increasingly absent from the scene; see this excerpt of an interview with Axl Rose not-quite putting his finger on the issue of repressed homosexuality rampant in the scene (see embed). The sexual dichotomy reappears with the effeminate Nirvana and the macho Pantera, both becoming the seminal bases for modern rock music, and both adopting sufficiently anti-Christian band names as required by this point.

It's important to understand the nature of enduring music. It is inspired, both lyrically and musically, and separating the two for any reason other than parody will dispel the magic and be awkward. "Christian rock" is like a peanut butter & tuna fish sandwich.

>>674520

>its rather wholesome

>there's a dating ban for idols so not much hendonism either.

http://archive.is/PVd2x

>1 John 5:19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

>>674541

>literally ONE video of a girl which isn't even all that famous

>>674611

You're seriously defending the music industry.

I used to exclusively listen to metal before I was saved. Now I can't enjoy it because the majority is blatantly obvious Satanism and I feel like I'm blaspheming the Lord by even letting my ears be exposed to such. I agree with you about the design to fuel strong negative emotions. If I listen to the music I used to adore so much, it just sounds like Hell music for sinners anymore tbh.

I was raised with metal all around, and honestly, it makes up a significant amount of my favorite music.

However, I know that there is a lot of bad stuff out there in metal. For example, the Norse black metal bands, and other extreme stuff like that. Those that led to the church burnings.

Let's not forget that even a band like slayer, can make a song that we can endorse. See their song Silent Scream as my prime example.

In the end, there are some good and some bad about metal. You have to just find the good.

>>674463

>I actually saw Slayer last month. They were pretty good.

This is the band whose appeal I understand the least of all (part of the reason for the OP pic.) I listened to the album "Reign in Blood" most of the way through; skipping around when the monotony got too much to bear. The entire album felt like I was essentially listening to the same song over and over and over again with only subtle variations. The lyrics were like bad high school goth poetry, and the front man's style of recitation of said lyrics was utterly laughable and cringe-worthy. Yet a LOT of far-right traditionalists absolutely WORSHIP this band. It makes no sense to me.

As for the argument of spiritual strength and discernment, as advocated by you and >>674701 to a certain extent, I agree, but it has it's limitations. Well made metal music with secular lyrics? Fair enough. Outright Satanic lyrics and content? I think you are playing with fire, if not outright deluding yourselves.

>>674500

>In all fairness, the songs of a musical genre you haven't developed an ear for are all going to sound the same.

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. There have been other genres of music that I had only dipped my toe into in terms of only having heard a handful of bands at the time (dream pop, post-punk, shoegaze, house, ambient, techno, 70's soft rock, 70's classic rock and progressive rock, 80's mainstream metal, 80's indie/collegerock, 90's alternative, Acid Jazz, Trip Hop, etc.) and could pick up great diversity and identity amongst multiple bands immediately.

I know some of these cliche's have been done to death, but anytime I listen to a Death Metal, Black Metal or Thrash Metal band, respectively, I know that I'm more than likely going to encounter the same Cookie Monster vocals with over-the-top guitars, or the same high-pitched goblin-like screeching with glorified lo-fi white noise, or the same helicopter-like furious double bass pedal technique with speedy guitars and speedy slam-poetry like lyric readings. I have been able to discern from other genres of music a similar or worse level of same-ishness (trance, punk, 2000's era indie rock, ska, most post Korn Nu-Metal, so-called modern "Deep House",etc.)

Ironically, it's the more mainstream forms of late 70's to 80s to early 90's metal from which I pick up the most variety and identity immediately. I can easily tell the difference between Van Halen, Def Leppard, Poison, Dio, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Judas Priest, Guns & Roses, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Pantera, etc. Even Metallica and Motorhead have there own distinct identities, in spite of their obvious roots in the thrash and speed metal scenes.

>>675016

(cont'd)

You and >>674675 are right on about the degenerate roots of the metal scene as a whole, but what I've yet to hear anyone truly attempt to answer is why individuals who passionately identify themselves as pro-traditionalist and fascist, are so die-hard about a music scene that for the most part seems completely contrary to their worldview, and those that they claim to be following in the footsteps of. I.e. I cannot imagine Hitler, Mussolini, or Evola getting down to or approving of Slayer or Burzum.

If I had to take a few shots in the dark at this phenomenon, I think that it might boil down to these factors:

1. Roided up Emos - Most people in the Far-Right, Fascist scenes are angry and bitter at the world and humanity at large. Fringe metal like Black and Death Metal gives them a channel for such anger. At their core, a lot of Far-Righters and the bands they love are basically Emo/Goth with more testosterone. i.e., what if Joy Division went to the gym. Both raging against, yet ultimately feeling despair and hopelessness at the state of the modern world. Desiring to tear it all down, and remake it in their own twisted image.

2. The Hipster Effect - Left-wing urban Liberals don't have a monopoly on elitism via obscurity and rarity of taste (i.e. Hipsterism). Being part of fringe political movements, the Far-Right probably also wants that additional shot of faux elitism that comes from listening to Black, Death and Thrash metal bands that only five other people have ever heard of.

3. Having their cake and devouring it simultaneously - The Nihilism, and the moral fluidity that it engenders, that is endemic to Far Right fringe groups, allows it's members to be both moralists, while indulging in baser libertine tendencies A lot of Black and Death Metal bands have themes that can best be described as "Eat the Weak." The previously mentioned, "American Nihilist Underground Society" even literally has "Sodomize the Weak" as it's mission statement:

http://www.anus.com/zine/dispatches/

and have been known to go on trolling/terror campaigns.

The Scandinavian Black Metal documentary "Until the Light Takes Us," has Varg Vikernes, IIRC, or someone else in the scene outright state that some of the Satanism present in Black Metal was supposedly intended to be just a Vaudeville act intended to scare and drive out Christianity (and with it, the meekness, compassion and mercy that it espouses). Combined with the narcissism inflamed by the aforementioned Hipsterism, and you have a recipe for a movement of those claiming to be arbiters of morality, and at the same time, sociopathic monsters. Soi disant ubermensches indulging in their fantasies of being superior to and ultimately genociding the "souless bugmen" they so despise.

>>674520

>letting corporations decide someone's love life

>"wholesome"

>>675016

That's true, some genres are more accessible to the casual listener. But you're still not going to find a thrash enthusiast who can't discern thrash from death metal.

>>675016

That's true, some genres are more accessible to the casual listener. I used to think all reggae sounded the same, but I can identify all the subgenres easily after having developed an ear for it.

>death, thrash, black

>cookie monster vocals

Thrash uses traditional heavy metal or punk rock style vocals, not growling. Black metal is derivative of death metal, so yes those are going to sounds very similar.

>Van Halen, Def Leppard, Poison, Dio, Black Sabbath, Whitesnake, Judas Priest, Guns & Roses, Iron Maiden, Megadeth, Pantera, etc. Even Metallica and Motorhead

All bands which have pop sensibility and were dominant on the radio at some point. But many also have albums deep off the beaten path which only enthusiasts could appreciate.

>>674463

I like it because it sounds aggressive and complex from a technical perspective in comparison to pop music.

I agree that the fandom is edgy though. Though I find it funny that they pretend to be tough by being for destruction, but take issue with God for saying that homosexuality is bad.

If you're concerned about the morals of any entertainer be it an actor, musician or whatever, it's better to just not listen to music or watch any TV or movies. At all. They are all depraved. Rock stars and actors do some disgusting things. Mostly sexual in nature. I kind of balance this out by knowing that they only do what any normie would do given the chance. Orgies, shit like that.

That said, I can still enjoy certain music and movies.Look up Silent Scream by slayer, it's actually a legit anti-abortion song and it's pretty good.

https://youtu.be/PcR-vDRt_O4

>>674463

>fringe metal

it's called extreme metal

>one side claiming that such music shares kinship with other complex and revered forms of music, such as classical and jazz; another side purports that such music is intentionally made to be low in sound quality and fidelity in order to be more "raw" and "genuine."

black metal and grindcore are supposed to have shitty production; as for thrash and death metal, that's not really the case. listen to vid related

>Hear one song or album, and you've basically heard it all. I recently mislabeled a Death Metal song as Thrash Metal, because I could barely tell the difference.

t. brainlet

>>675017

>Most people in the Far-Right, Fascist scenes are angry and bitter at the world and humanity at large. Fringe metal like Black and Death Metal gives them a channel for such anger. At their core, a lot of Far-Righters and the bands they love are basically Emo/Goth with more testosterone. i.e., what if Joy Division went to the gym. Both raging against, yet ultimately feeling despair and hopelessness at the state of the modern world. Desiring to tear it all down, and remake it in their own twisted image.

exactly

>>679325

>That said, I can still enjoy certain music and movies.Look up Silent Scream by slayer, it's actually a legit anti-abortion song and it's pretty good.

>letting your religion determine what you allow yourself to enjoy

smh

Metal is actual music. Along with j-pop.

Also, k-pop is trash.

>>679436

>letting your religion determine what you allow yourself to enjoy

?

this is true metal

Speaking of horror, most of heavy metal bands of the past weren't even singing about the Devil as a way of worshipping him. True, there were some exceptions and honestly, it's just cringy edginess that isn't worth paying attention to in my opinion, but the majority of them were just using the occult themes as a way to create a horror atmosphere, mostly desciribng occult-themed events with no actual worship to be present.

I feel that the whole "worshipping devil" schtick that metal has is mostly due to the overreaction of the culture at the time to people making songs in a horror theme.

>>688116

Hell, even more to the point, most of the songs that people consider satanic are just descriptions of things that the authors found scary and were actually inspired by horror movies in the first place.

Iron Maiden's 666? A description of a man witnessing terrifying satanist rituals and trying to inform the law and failing to do so, being possesed in the end. The lyrics literally read like a horror story and were made in such style because they were inspired by a horror in the first place.

Black Sabath's Black Sabath? The same, and it's the song named the same as their band. Their name isn't a sing of devil worshipping either, it's LITERALLY lifted from a horror movie.

The metal fans were generally fans of horror, made sung horror stories, people started screaming at them for worshipping satan, they responded by mocking them in a way of "if you say so", including more occult themes into their genre, and stupid people who weren't in on the joke, and thought worshipping devil was serious joined in.

>>688115

Popularity exploded. Much like the current transgender zeitgeist, it didn't start but hit a wave of public consciousness at that time. From this and subsequent posts, I can see you are totally given over to the devil.

>>674463

I'm a christian and I listen to death and black metal. Does that mean I'm a satanist?

>Hear one song or album, and you've basically heard it all. I recently mislabeled a Death Metal song as Thrash Metal, because I could barely tell the difference.

Lol? The differences are huge. The main giveaway is that thrash metal generally uses 'normal' vocals.

I stopped listening to metal and rock because I think it might be sinful. I saw a Metallica when they came to Toronto last. It's really tempting to listen to it.

>>688223

Why do you think it's sinful? I haven't come across any verses on this… and I don't think there are any on it.

During my edgy teenager days I used to listen to this type of music, now I mostly listen to martial industrial, synthwave, folk music, classical music and dark neofolk

>>675017

>pro-traditionalist and fascist, are so die-hard about a music scene that for the most part seems completely contrary to their worldview, and those that they claim to be following in the footsteps of. I.e. I cannot imagine Hitler, Mussolini, or Evola getting down to or approving of Slayer or Burzum.

Really? On the /fascist/ board before it was hacked people mostly posted martial industrial or old fascist songs, like "cara al sol" or the overused "horst wessel lied"

Hey on a semi ironic note does anyone know any good Christian Blackgaze (I guess Un-Blackgaze) or Experimental Metal bands?

God gave rock and roll to you. Put it in the soul of everyone.

I want Jesus to walk with me.

Every hour and every day, every moment in every way I lean on Jesus, the rock of my soul. I'm singing his praises wherever I go.

Once in the stillness of the late midnight hour I felt a presence of the Lord's saving power. I fell on my knees and cried to him there oh merciful savior, hear this sinner's prayer.

Why me Lord?

What have I ever done to deserve even one of the pleasures I've known.

Tell me Lord.

What did I ever do that was worth loving you or the kindness you've shown.

Lord help me Jesus, I've wasted it so help me Jesus. I know what I am.

But know that I know that I've needed you so, help me Jesus, my soul's in you hands.

Try me Lord.

If you think there's a way I can try all I've taken from you.

Maybe Lord I can show someone else what I've been through myself on my way back to you.

Lord help me Jesus, I've wasted it so help me Jesus. I know what I am.

But know that I know that I've needed you so, help me Jesus, my soul's in you hands.

>>688206

>confronted with literal satan worship

>muh devil

The world is almost totally given over, and you've chosen to be milquetoast? Revelation 3

If you haven't thrown out your satanic music and horror films, that is a reflection of degeneracy.

>>674541

>1 John 5:19 We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one.

You can use normal translations next time…