8a786a No.673879
So were the pagan "gods" actual demons larping as gods or were they just statues?
What role did Satan and his fallen angels play within pagan religions?
af4521 No.673881
Demons.
The fallen angels were the Pagan Gods
ea6c64 No.673883
>>673881
Are they still around causing trouble or are they locked away?
c555bd No.673884
Some of them were just dead humans. "Three god-brothers" in Norse, Greek, Roman etc. mythologies are probably just Japheth, Shem and Ham. Heracles seem to be historical person since Spartans by him (or rather one of his sons) are kins of Abraham.
Some of them were Demons. Pan was demon since he died when Christ was born.
And some were just idols, made up stories, statues or phisical phenomens.
57074d No.673891
I get the feeling most are just statues or misremembered tales of prominent ancestors, which demons may or may not larp as. "Jupiter" moght be a corruption of Japeth, "Tyr" might be Noah' s grandson Tiras, and so on. We can only speculate, though.
57074d No.673892
ea6c64 No.673894
>>673884
What about the Canaanite gods? That’s a super old pantheon and especially disliked by the Bible.
57074d No.673900
>>673894
Some of the same ancestors, and certainly some demonoc powers behind them, as in the case of Pharaohs sorcerers turning water to blood. Unclean spirits, just like their master, will pretend to be anything to misguide you.
ff6ee1 No.673910
>>673879
The gods themselves are made up, by demons and men alike, and probably vary wildly as far how much they actually describe the demons themselves or some ancestor of man, either way demons pretend to be these gods and get men to practice false religion.
8a786a No.673916
>>673910
So, in a sense, they become real when a demon aligns itself with the character that the statue represents?
57074d No.673918
>>673916
No, just as a character played by an actor is not real, or a sockpuppet used by a ventriloquist.
153e53 No.673927
Saturn, any lightning or sun themed themed Gods, female godesses, horned, are references to Satan/lucifer.
57074d No.673933
>>673927
Saturn's a big ball of ammonia floating in space. There is no Satan-saturn connection in the Bible. If you take Remphan as meaning Saturn=Satan, then I guess all oxen are references to Baal Hadad.
8b055a No.673937
>>673927
Pro tip: Lucifer means "light bringer." In the OT it once mockingly refers to a king and has been mistranslated as applying to Satan.
In the NT, it refers to Jesus.
Satan / Diabolos is real. Lucifer is just a title and doesn't ever refer to Satan in the scriptures. Stop taking your theology from a guy who heard it from a guy who knew a guy that read Paradise Lost.
153e53 No.673943
>>673933
>Saturn's a big ball of ammonia floating in space.
Saturn has many forms
>There is no Satan-saturn connection in the Bible.
Not explicitly but if hes Satan then it does.
> If you take Remphan as meaning Saturn=Satan, then I guess all oxen are references to Baal Hadad.
It sounds like you're preemptively trying to negate a "YHWH = saturn" doctrine, which i know is false.
>>673937
>In the NT, it refers to Jesus.
Just in case you don't know, that's because Lucifer is counterfeit to Jesus's light.
https://www.gotquestions.org/Lucifer-Satan.html
>Satan / Diabolos is real. Lucifer is just a title and doesn't ever refer to Satan in the scriptures.
You're right about Lucifer just being a title, but it is referenced in scripture.
>2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
8b055a No.673944
>>673943
>2 Corinthians 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.
Well played; for some reason that scripture didn't come to mind. Point made
153e53 No.673949
8396a9 No.673952
St. John of Damascus goes into detail about this in his section on heresies in the Fount of Wisdom. That's also the first Christian writing that discusses the theology of muslims. It calls them Ishmaelites.
879a40 No.673963
Their gods and spirits are wood and stone shaped into forms that resemble their creators, often perverting the human form with the aspects of various creatures of the heavens, land, and seas. Many have come and gone, their followers diminished, and now the remnants of what they were are placed in museums alongside their dead civilizations and tribes. Even those that still persist will soon wane, as all in this world is perishable and temporary.
e37b5f No.674006
The gods themselves are fiction made by poets and alike. People thought they verenerated those dudes by doing those rituals, but in fact they were worshipping demons. In a sense demons larped as Greek gods
Also what this anon said >>673884
193045 No.674010
>>673884
>jesusfags unironically believe some dead people from an obscure desert tribe whose only claim to fame was rebelling against the roman empire have been worshipped all over the world
879a40 No.674013
>>674010
Hey, don't group the creationist in with the rest of us.
193045 No.674018
>>674013
Sorry. It's just that I find this Mormon-esque stuff extremely mindboggling.
5a409a No.674020
>>673884
Basically this
Either way, it was either Dead or Demons. Actually, mode Dead, more I think about it, considering the ancestor worship and concept of God-Kings.
5a409a No.674023
>>673927
Both scientists in this field and saints such as St. Dimitry of Rostov calls your "theory" bullshit (He states that Zeus and Baal were reference to Nimrod)
8396a9 No.674032
>>674010
>he doesn't know who Japheth, Shem, and Ham were
>he thinks they were Jews
>he doesn't know they lived millennia before the tribe of Judah even existed
Embarrassing tbh fam.
c555bd No.674034
>>674010
> some dead people from an obscure desert tribe
<The ancestors of human race
<Random desert tribes
>>674020
Adding to that, PIE literally named their god Sky-Father. My (and probably not only my) theory is that they merged God with their Forefather, Japhet.
89abd5 No.674042
Demons. The early Church is adamant about this.
The God of heretical (Catholicism, Protestantism) and archeretical (Judaism, Islam, Mormonism) confessions of faith is the God of Israel however, but their understanding of what He has reveald of Himself and what He wants from us can range from in need of minor and fraternal correction (like Catholicism) to complete f-ing nonsense (like Mormonism).
Suffices to say, archeretics may worship God, but they do not believe in Him (since they do not believe in Jesus's divinity), and their sacrifices must often be repugnant to Him.
Also, it is not because pagans offer worship to demons that God is necessarily absent. Remember the story of the monument to the unknown god. But if somebody offers prayers to something else than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, they offer them to demons, end of story.
e37b5f No.674043
>>674042
How to spot and ortho 101
Right about 90% of things
b19486 No.674048
>>673879
I always had the theory that some where mere fabrications, some were demons (notably the evil gods) and some were something in between spirits and demons wanting glory as their creator while taking away from the actual Creator (thus making them some kind of fallen spirits).
There's also a theory that because of the false worshiping they got they became some sort of spiritual tulpas feeding on worship and existing merely because humans said it did.
7f6604 No.674060
Sanson is Heracles, his children went to Sparta and spread his legend that was later merged with Greek mythology
09541a No.674061
>>674042
how to spot an orthodox:
1. sounds catholic, but then mentions they hate catholics
2. butt-blasted about marian appearances; fatima, usually
3. bring up random saints nobody outside of bulgaria has ever heard of
1bae02 No.674074
>>673879
>What role did Satan and his fallen angels play within pagan religions?
Well considering plato and luther both attest to seeing a snake or heavenly being giving them ideas in their writings, such as philosophy owing its existence to plato, satan played a large role in the current state of affairs worldwide.
>So were the pagan "gods" actual demons larping as gods or were they just statues?
It's both because the Bible refers to demons as gods in deutoronomy 32:17 and also as statues/graven images in exodus 20.
>>673937
>Pro tip: Lucifer means "light bringer." In the OT it once mockingly refers to a king and has been mistranslated as applying to Satan.
<In the NT, it refers to Jesus.
>what is revelation 11:8, isaiah 14, and it's connection to john 8:44, hebrews 9:26, and ezekiel 31 KJV?
>implying Jesus was cast into hell in ezekiel 31 and isaiah 14.
5510c6 No.674077
>>673879
They are actual gods doing all the work while everyone gives credit to a false one that makes no sense whatsoever and requires constant apologetism for because the marketing description deviates completely from the actual implementation, the actual model.
8396a9 No.674126
5510c6 No.674148
>>674126
>2000 year old hebrew copypasta faith wants to shoulder the creation of a billions upon billions year old universe with a contradictory monogod
Are you even trying?
The fact that the thing is "perfect" yet still does things should make anyone turn away with their head shaking.
Hey guys, I'm a completely whole being that cannot attain any improvement or further step since I am literally perfect.
Watch me think about humans and wht they are doing right now.
>but why are you thinking about humans
I am interested in the outcome of the thought.
>but you're omnicient on top of perfect too, the purpose of a thought is to arrive at a, hopefuly, improved state of understanding or mind and you're already perfect, you need no further thought
Yeah, well, you're a cunt and I'm sending you to hell, btw all your gods are demons if I don't like them and if I do then, I don't know they can be saints or something.
Hava nagila and goodbye.
5510c6 No.674150
>>674148
>Yeah, well, you're a cunt and I'm sending you to hell, btw all your gods are demons if I don't like them and if I do then, I don't know they can be saints or something.
>Hava nagila and goodbye.
t. jewish fanfiction writers.
77ba8e No.674154
Yes.
Sometimes they were pagan "gods".
Sometimes they imagination made stone with demons becoming these "gods".
Sometimes they were dead people which people misinterpreted to be gods, and then demons came and occupied them.
8396a9 No.674160
>>674148
Good lord you have a shit understanding of philosophy. Perfection is the source the source all things derive from, not the end goal they're headed to.
5510c6 No.674166
>>674160
I don't have a shit understand of philosophy, you have a shit understanding of words.
Is the Christian god perfect?
If he is then there's nothing more for him to do.
It really and truly is as simple as that.
But, no, that cannot be. It doesn't even fill a paragraph of a book, and that means it's wrong.
bbaa63 No.674200
ufos and "aliens" are just demons
b4783d No.674215
>>673883
Still around but they've likely adapted to the modern world.
Like those guys talking about AY LMAOs. They're not seeing AY LMAOs
879a40 No.674217
>>674215
>he thinks waking nightmares and drunk hallucinations are demons
b4783d No.674224
>>674217
>He doesn't think that it's possible for thieves (demons) to enter people homes if they open their doors in the dead of night (obsessions with occult or aliens)
879a40 No.674230
>>674224
Oh yes, attack of the flying metal demon lobsters
8a786a No.674285
>>674200
Is that the new modus operandi for demons now? Why would they switch to extraterrestrials instead of Gods?
df4c61 No.674290
>>674285
>Why would they switch to extraterrestrials instead of Gods?
Your aliens are in another castle, see exodus 18:2-3 among others
>Then Jethro, Moses' father in law, took Zipporah, Moses' wife, after he had sent her back,
>And her two sons; of which the name of the one was Gershom; for he said, I have been an alien in a strange land:
isaiah 61:5
>And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
That's where the obsession comes from.
dfb245 No.674335
>>674010
Noah and his sons lived centuries before Abraham and Abraham lived centuries before Israel ever became a nation
aaba41 No.674357
>>673879
Some demons, some just delusions, some were great heroes of the past after their story was made into a legend.
Some Gods were just poetic figures for virtues (Wisdom, courage, love, etc..)
153e53 No.674358
>>674217
One of the symptoms of the kundalini awakening are snakes nightmares.
aaba41 No.674360
>>674010
trypical know nothing pagan being unable to understand not only Christianity but also his own myths.
Japheth, Shem and Ham are not from a random desert tribe, there was no Israel back then.
They are the sons of Noah, survived from the flood (flood accepted by all major myths in the world).
They are the ancestors of all different races, not three jews.
You are such an embarassment with your ignorance
6c4aa5 No.674379
A mix of archetypes, Platonic forms, dæmons, remembrances, personifications, historical figures, mythic figures and folk tales.
89abd5 No.674573
>>674061
>1. sounds catholic, but then mentions they hate catholics
I said Catholics are heretics. That's pretty standard. You can call us heretics too, you know.
>2. butt-blasted about marian appearances; fatima, usually
Literally everyone I know is in love with Lourdes, what are you talking about?
>3. bring up random saints nobody outside of bulgaria has ever heard of
What?
>>674043
I mean… a Catholic or any Protestant with care for patristics would say the same thing.
94516c No.674905
>>674217
>ayy lmao sodomize yourself for spiritual enlightenment, here we'll help you do it. Also crystals and herbs let you contact us.
yeah nothing weird about that just a regular drunken stupor im sure