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evolution Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 07:20:25 1f3e56 No.670526
>finished reading Seraphim Rose
>finished reading Jay Dyer
>gave up Theistic Evolutionism for Theistic Creation
>tfw Genesis takes on a whole new dimension
it was painful! but worth it
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 07:49:01 25f7e5 No.670533
>Seraphim Rose
>Orthodox theologian
Ok
>Jay Dyer
<Jones-tier political pundit
So close, yet so far
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 08:10:13 1f3e56 No.670536
>>670533
Jay Dyer is legit, he knows philosophy and theology really well.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 08:13:37 25f7e5 No.670537
>>670536
His few publications make him a bit of an odd choice. I'd go with other people, but hey you do you.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 08:24:58 1f3e56 No.670542
>>670537
He did a good job dunking on this Perennialist in a debate ←-
His refutation of John Romanides is very good, https://jaysanalysis.com/2016/10/26/analogy-of-being-atheism-the-logoi-romanides-refuted/
And his writings on evolution and nominalism are very helpful.
I'm already good on politics and know about conspiracy theories, so I don't really need him to reinforce my views
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 08:27:13 213349 No.670543
>seraphim rose
Why can't people read someone other than this memelogian?
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 08:39:41 48071b No.670548
>>670543
Why do people hate Seraphim Rose so much, he studied the fathers as much and even more than many people who you would consider "Official" Theologians. This is a silly attitude to have as if you need a Dr in front of your name to know truth. More than his intensive study he lived the gospel out in his life through is true aestheticism and has far more spiritual vision than any of the memers on this board. People hate Fr Seraphim because he told the truth.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 08:41:27 1f3e56 No.670549
>>670548
Rose shits on aliens and yoga and new age crap, so lots of people take offense to that now.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 08:46:34 25f7e5 No.670550
>as if you need a Dr in front of your name to know truth
Don't know much about the guy, but this is a silly point to make. A doctorate implies integrity as well as knowledge within said field, whatever it may be. It's a sign of maturity, not a simple status symbol.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:18:07 48071b No.670553
>>670550
> A doctorate implies integrity as well as knowledge within said field
You clearly know nothing about academia lad. These men with such integrity are the ones who teach your sons that they should get their penis chopped off if they play with a barbie doll
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:18:32 34d1da No.670554
>>670549
>Rose shits on aliens and yoga and new age crap
In what book?
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:18:52 f9680f No.670555
I think people hate him because he was an American convert and there is an unfortunate strain of Orthodoxy that expects converts to stay quiet; which is sad because converts can be zealous about their Orthodox faith and that's something the Church could really use at times.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:20:16 f9680f No.670556
>>670555
Not trying to imply that anyone who disagrees with Rose is an ethnic nativist but I do think that attitude exists within Orthodoxy.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:27:05 48071b No.670558
>>670556
The thing is i have heard only praise from Russians about him I always hear American converts/American cradle Orthodox who seem to have some problem with him, they hide behind the idea that Rose was some kind of "Orthoprot" and i hate to use the word and somehow they are the representatives of the authentic tradition.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:41:04 1f3e56 No.670561
>>670554
https://www.amazon.com/Orthodoxy-Religion-Future-Seraphim-Rose/dp/188790400X
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:43:21 213349 No.670562
No, this is what people find as a salvageable part.
People dislike his larpish tone, MUH EMPRAH, and worst of them all, resurgence of tollhouse memes.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 09:55:54 213349 No.670565
>>670526
>Guy literally believes that nephilim were offsprings of Angels of Humans
>Guy says that "Nowhere in the OT is bene Elohim used of men and there is no reason to assume" while ignoring psalm 82:6 WHICH LITERALLY SAYS "YE ARE GODS" and Jesus affirms in John 10 that its about us.
My, oh MY…
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 10:46:40 1f3e56 No.670574
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Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 11:08:15 981f9e No.670579
>E-celeb
Maybe for casual entertainment, but not for reliance upon.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 11:10:25 febba6 No.670581
tigga, I agree on evolution being wrong but the Earth is not 6000 years old.
There is no point in discrediting our faith with more and more layers of cognitive dissonance.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 11:12:50 febba6 No.670582
He's a do it yourself youtube theologian. Come on, there are better sources.
He was a good man and a good monk but he caused the spawn of the tollhouse meme in american converts and russiaboos.
Also Tsarism larping.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 11:36:41 394612 No.670590
Don't take him too seriously, he's just an alt-right e-celeb. Stick to priests and whatnot.
>>670581
>evolution being wrong
Lad…
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 11:41:51 213349 No.670593
>>670590
Personally I, for example, support evolution in animals (sort of) but I'm against applying it on humans. We are special case in my opinion and I dont think its rational to apply one certain model to every case. Well, thats my opinion at least
Anywho >>670570 please move in here and stop clogging the catalog with these threads
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 11:42:36 1f3e56 No.670595
>>670593
>move to my thread that has no replies please
lol
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 14:19:59 cdffd3 No.670648
Secular democracy places great emphasis on two things for authority: money and education. Don't fall into the trap. Wisdom and intelligence aren't the same things. Orthodoxy has never cared much for simple book-learning.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 14:29:46 fae575 No.670655
>>670595
It's the general. Use it.
Christanon 07/05/18 (Thu) 19:26:02 febba6 No.670753
Let's say there are parts that can't be accepted for Christians. No matter what the everchanging scientific consensus is.
Even if we say God guided the evolution of man from proto-monkey ancestors this imply violence, death and the existance of a body of death far before the fall. The first men must have been immortal and with a body of glory, similar but a bit inferior to the body of resurrection.