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Is god evil? Christanon 06/26/18 (Tue) 22:40:49 6ebf72 No.666305

I'll admit I'm an atheist but it's never been a set in stone thing. I can't prove God exists but I can't prove he doesn't exist, but that's not the point.

I suffer from incurable TRD (treatment resistant depression) and Bipolar 2 Disorder (periods of intense misery without the periods of mania associated with bipolar disorder). I've always had social anxiety but recently it's gotten to the point where I will break down and cry in public and need to hide in a washroom or something. Of course, I also have autism and feel completely alienated and outcasted from the rest of human society without any ability to truly connect with another individual. I have had no friends for several years and after a period of emotional abuse from my family I've abandoned them as well.

I've worked in the medical field for most of my life. I originally wanted to become a Personal Support Worker for the main reason of helping people. A few years ago I had to abandon that job because of worsening depression, and have been working minimum wage ever since because it's all I seem capable of.

Because I'm still capable of working, I'm unable to get any form of welfare for my condition, and cannot afford most of the treatments I'm on. I had about $100,000 saved but over the past decade it's dwindled down to about $20,000 and I'm seriously contemplating suicide because there is no purpose to life and very soon I won't be able to afford the medications I rely on to find the strength to get out of bed.

So here's my question for you, /christian/. I've been in church several times in my life and being told things like "God loves you" makes me clench my fists in rage. What kind of kind and loving god would put anyone through this? And there are people that have things much worse than I do, so what is God's plan for them? Why is he making them suffer without so much as even letting us know that, yes, he actually is out there watching us (and not so he can laugh at our misery)?

Christanon 06/26/18 (Tue) 22:47:32 ae0391 No.666307

What you are asking about is essentially the problem of evil. I can't give you a simple answer but it's something theologians have grappled with for a long time. You can read about some of the conclusions they've come to here.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_evil

Christanon 06/26/18 (Tue) 23:07:22 9e8239 No.666313

>>666305

God is not the source of suffering, but he does allow suffering to happen because persevering through suffering strengthens and enriches your soul and faith, provided you do not let the suffering overcome you. This is very important because man, being in a fallen state, needs to be strengthened in his soul and his faith. To quote Romans 5:3-4:

And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; and perseverance, character; and character, hope.

>>666307

When discussing the problem of evil it's important to establish that evil has no ontological substance of it's own. It is not a force opposite good, like Zoroaster taught, it is the lack of it. A lot of times when you ask Christians why evil and suffering exist they'll tell you it's because of free will. Those people are right just not in the way they think they are. They say that bad things happen because God allows people to do bad things. While that is true, that explanation doesn't fully answer the question. Evil exists because God gave humanity a choice between Him(which is all that good since God is the source of all good) and existence without him(which is to say evil.) The source of all suffering is evil and evil exists because God wanted to give a choice between Him and the lack of Him.

Christanon 06/26/18 (Tue) 23:41:45 2ad520 No.666320

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The first thing that needs to be considered in this question is who is God? Or, rather, who do you think that God is? If you seem to judge a criminal, you must first be fit to judge him, and to do that you cannot consider merely his acts but also his nature, his personaliy, and, most of all, his testemony. So, what do you think that we think God is, and what do YOU think God is, in nature, personality, and word?

Christanon 06/26/18 (Tue) 23:51:29 242aa3 No.666327

Love doesn't mean lack of discomfort.

Dumb-dumb.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 00:01:36 2ad520 No.666331

Sidenote, this place has a bit of a problem with the deadly sin of wrath, or at least it's more subtle daughters. Don't let it get you down.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 03:02:21 21a2d7 No.666382

God is behind Satan,the epitome of evil. I say God transcends both good and evil.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 03:15:36 be7cae No.666384

>>666305

>What kind of kind and loving god would put anyone through this?

You need to consider who is responsible for your life. God has absolute sovereignty but he allows others to do good or evil. The Bible says that God is love, and indeed your struggle is not new to him seeing as how there are countless men recounted in the Bible and outside the Bible who had suffered much worse and yet retained their faith in him. Have faith in him and read the Bible to get to know him.

(Mathew 7:13-14)

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the way that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 07:48:46 6a9a5f No.666430

>>666305

He's objectively good. In Deuteronomy 30:15-16, he acknowledges responsibility for every event out there; both positive and negative. However, he acknowledges that following his docrine would guarantee a good long term outcome. In contrast, Satan's path guarantees a bad long term outcome.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 07:56:53 17f8c0 No.666432

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>>666382

>"I say God transcends both good and evil."

>Implying satan was always evil

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 08:07:55 a8c9e1 No.666434

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>>666305

Watch this video.

>>666382

>I say God transcends both good and evil.

Nonsense.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 09:10:36 21a2d7 No.666442

>>666432

God still has complete power over satan even now.

>>666434

Why?

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 13:54:57 a8c9e1 No.666499

>>666442

Because God is the very essence of goodness.

You're talking pantheism, and it's not christian.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 15:42:54 69649f No.666546

>>666434

Is Elder Arsenie a living saint?

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 19:58:08 21a2d7 No.666664

>>666499

How is that pantheism?

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 19:59:46 5c03af No.666665

>>666305

God didn't put you through misery, and stop doing drugs

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 20:02:18 4fff08 No.666667

>>666305

Evil only exists because God created the universe and gave His creations free will. We chose evil. He chose us. So…indirectly, yeah, God is ultimately responsible for everything. He is the Unmoved Mover, after all.

life is worth it, transcend the pain of existence and embrace the necessity of suffering to exist

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 20:38:10 995bae No.666689

>For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Is God evil?

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 20:39:56 f25742 No.666691

>What kind of horrible awful hateful mosogynistic homophobic sadomasochistic bully bigotted god would make me suffer the consequences of my own actions?

This is what you sound like.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 20:57:50 878104 No.666701

>>666305

You're better off not believing in him, literally permits you to have slaves and, in some cases, beat them mercilessly and not only that, if you're a Christian slave then you have to obey your Christian masters, no matter how bad the treatment is. We could deduce that the Dixie slavers are in heaven and the African slaves who rebelled against the Southerners, are in hell right now because they didn't do what the Bible told them to do and are suffering way worse in eternal torment. Amen.

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 21:44:50 4486c2 No.666732

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 21:44:56 35141d No.666733

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>Is god evil?

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 22:23:41 09f154 No.666762

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>>666701

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 22:41:49 c5cce9 No.666774

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>>666701

Christanon 06/27/18 (Wed) 22:46:08 566584 No.666778

>>666701

>literally permits you to have slaves

So?

Christanon 06/28/18 (Thu) 06:05:34 c066ac No.667027

>>666305

Bump, I hope you find your way. Try to remember that Christian love is not a warm fuzzy feeling. God challenges us, that is the sign of His love.

Christanon 06/28/18 (Thu) 06:50:00 f25742 No.667033

>>666701

>in some cases, beat them mercilessly

In some cases they need it.

Christanon 06/28/18 (Thu) 06:51:14 8175b8 No.667038

>>666664

Because that's how pantheists view shit.

They think Good and Evil are meaningless terms used by humans.

Christians do not so because God does not.

Christanon 07/01/18 (Sun) 12:12:12 4cec52 No.668779

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>>666691

>t. Fry

Christanon 07/01/18 (Sun) 13:22:19 207edb No.668796

>>666701

Why can't you people differentiate between chattel slavery and debt slavery?

Christanon 07/01/18 (Sun) 13:37:06 6ce4a7 No.668803

>>666691

>>666327

Will you guys quit being such remorselessly assholes??! This guy is obviously hurting, and he needs to be shown the love of God, not be made fun of.

>>666305

To be honest op, I can’t relate to what you are going through. But it’s important for you to know that God is not the one who made you that way. Some people are born with ailments due to genetic faults (result of the fall). I wish I knew what I could say to help you.

Christanon 07/01/18 (Sun) 17:33:51 21a2d7 No.668872

>>667038

Isnt that true? God do believe creation is good right?

Christanon 07/01/18 (Sun) 20:34:58 80bc94 No.668909

>>668796

because their straw man would be destroyed

Christanon 07/02/18 (Mon) 03:57:13 e5eacb No.669014

>>666305

I understand where you're coming from. The things you are feeling are exactly what led to be a lost atheist for a large portion of my life. I couldn't understand why God would curse me with such afflictions as depression and social anxiety, as well as other, more personal, afflictions. But I came to realize that while I had some form of these since I was young, they became exponentially worse over the years since I rejected Him. We are always being tested. It's why we exist. Sometimes we have to suffer to learn a lesson. Even for years we may have to suffer. If we follow the Lord's teachings we will ultimately be blessed and he will deliver us from our trials, but if we reject him and go our own way then there is no limit to our suffering. Have faith in Him, and he will deliver you.