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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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bdae9d No.664370

>Only a devout Christian could’ve imagined such a magnificent pagan universe, thereby confirming that paganism is the ultimate Christian dream.

Is he right, /Christian/? Are we nothing more than incognito pagans?

93d1d3 No.664374

File: 1ce52de19dc1f68⋯.jpg (30.85 KB, 640x347, 640:347, zizek's ironic support of ….jpg)

>>664370

He might have a point.

Much of what Zizek says should be understood in a fairly ironic way though.


22aedb No.664379

File: 589c0ea4ff4ff10⋯.jpg (138.52 KB, 2000x1000, 2:1, o-PASTOR-STEVEN-ANDERSON-f….jpg)

>taking anything Zizek says at all seriously, especially him saying something about subject he is absolutely ignorant about.

>actually opening a thread dedicated to Zizek


a0219b No.664385

>>664370

I did not know Slavoj Zizek was a Muslim.


e1aa96 No.664386

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514dd1 No.664387

>>664370

The issue with such an interpretation is that it fails to understand what the Lord of the Rings is. LOTR is a form of Wagner's Ring Cycle but with Christian values as opposed to Pagan ones. This article by Spengler explains it pretty well

https://pjmedia.com/spengler/2014/12/1/how-tolkien-ennobled-popular-culture-while-star-wars-degraded-it/

>Tolkien's popular Ring trilogy, I have attempted to show, sought to undermine and supplant Richard Wagner's operatic Ring cycle, which had offered so much inspiration for Nazism. [1] With the reconstruction of the young Tolkien's prehistory of Middle-earth, we discern a far broader purpose: to recast as tragedy the heroic myths of pre-Christian peoples, in which the tragic flaw is the pagan's tribal identity. Tolkien saw his generation decimated, and his circle of friends exterminated, by the nationalist compulsions of World War I; he saw the cult of Siegfried replace the cult of Christ during World War II. His life's work was to attack the pagan flaw at the foundation of the West.

>It is too simple to consider Tolkien's protagonist Turin as a conflation of Siegfried and Beowulf, but the defining moments in Turin's bitter life refer clearly to the older myths, with a crucial difference: the same qualities that make Siegfried and Beowulf exemplars to the pagans instead make Turin a victim of dark forces, and a menace to all who love him. Tolkien was the anti-Wagner, and Turin is the anti-Siegfried, the anti-Beowulf. Tolkien reconstructed a mythology for the English not (as Wainwright and other suggest) because he thought it might make them proud of themselves, but rather because he believed that the actual pagan mythology was not good enough to be a predecessor to Christianity.

He is rewriting the Pagan mythos. Claiming that his work is just inherently Pagan in of itself is a very smallbrained way to look at it


73c2a6 No.664390

File: 740ea30183a9f21⋯.png (169.95 KB, 874x894, 437:447, HeresySpotted.png)

>>664370

/leftypol/ please go


7c4d40 No.664445

File: c96941272d56cdc⋯.jpg (138.47 KB, 977x1500, 977:1500, 81d54VKtFnL._AC_SL1500_.jpg)

Zizek is an unironic christcom, as evidenced by his work The Fragile Absolute.


f77b26 No.664449

>>664445

t. someone who never read The Fragile Absolute


6bebcb No.664450

>>664445

No he's winnie the pooh not. He's a heretic that distorts Christian symbols and signs to fit his Marxist dialectics.

At least you had the courtesy to sage.


8333d1 No.664452

File: 0f7f4bda0bac535⋯.jpeg (6.89 KB, 230x219, 230:219, imagine my SHOCK.jpeg)

>>664370

>a lefty makes a shitty interpretation of christian works

what a shocker


13dfff No.664484

>>664370

Zizek is an unapologetic communist and a fool.

>A thread died for this


67fb11 No.664490

File: 078c3270a5f400f⋯.jpg (8.02 KB, 258x196, 129:98, 1529507818909.jpg)

>>664370

Noticing Catholics try to get close to it as possible, Hes right in a way.


d11bfb No.664501

File: 093ffb103fc5bb9⋯.jpg (28.78 KB, 237x372, 79:124, 8JTB3Sa.jpg)

>>664499

All of this sectarianism isn't helping anyone.


235a23 No.664503

>>664501

…Do you actually want us to post proper sectarian arguments that would help of certain sects?


67fb11 No.664504

File: 2456512b1e70f39⋯.png (322.72 KB, 628x628, 1:1, 1529658063588.png)

>>664501

This is what you get for killing millions of Christians.


4fa7f8 No.664505

>>664504

>This is what you get for killing millions of Christians.

>Christians

That's a funny way of spelling heretics


67fb11 No.664508

File: c4fa068b7088b9b⋯.jpg (133.35 KB, 1024x1003, 1024:1003, 1528679902941m.jpg)

>>664505

Behold, there is no mercy or sorrow for God's people in the heart of the beast! Crucify me with Christ! Better to die a matyr then a heretic.


a5afe0 No.664510

>>664370

So is this basically the "If you're a homophobe you're secretly gay" of theological arguments?


d11bfb No.664511

File: a1c19f5ae7b5dc0⋯.mp4 (13.91 MB, 1280x720, 16:9, Steven Anderson.mp4)

>>664504

man I wish I still had my copypasta

>>664503

Which one of the 30,000+ denominations are you going to be support?


8333d1 No.664512


67fb11 No.664516

File: 84b627d26526b34⋯.jpg (7.7 KB, 335x146, 335:146, 1527023710660.jpg)

>>664511

30,000+ Denominations vs one satanic boi


235a23 No.664598

>>664511

>Still believes there are 30,000+ denominations

What a brainlet. If you read the actual report they divide the "denominations" based on finical separations, not differences of beliefs.

So anyone who says that there are 30,000+ denominations are either ignorant or malicious, and to be quite frank, judging on your jesuit-like behavior of playing the 'controlled opposition', I have to say you're both.


127ed7 No.664614

File: 8e019fbd336f94a⋯.jpg (59.9 KB, 574x499, 574:499, 8e019fbd336f94a8fb31e9870b….jpg)

>Tolkien creates a universe where it's religion is almost a complete copy paste of Christianity

>the only real difference is that the miar and valar fight literal wars against two successive Satans

>it's somehow "pagan"


5cc7f8 No.664734

>>664370

He also thinks "only an atheist can be a true Christian" and says all sorts of similar nonsense, both in theology and politics


5ffe46 No.664738

>>664614

Christianity has been overrated (as in, seen as more than it is) for about two thousand years.

Germany alone has been a heretic forever despite the "holy roman empire".

Despite this they mass produced the bible and built extremely beautiful cathedrals, athored many a manuscript and composed a myriad of divine hymns and co.

But they have never been really very Christian at all.

Only someone who has pretty much zero standards would look at any place in the world and call it very Christian.


114260 No.664746

>>664511

Steve really does look like a prophet of Satan from these videos.


29f9e4 No.664758

>>664370

>what is Eru Ilúvatar


5cc7f8 No.664785

File: 4c53e71ef285d50⋯.jpeg (114.02 KB, 1252x1252, 1:1, the father is alone one.jpeg)

>>664758

Yep. The Silmarillion is infused with Christian themes.


c2e06c No.664799

>>664445

Would you have called Jim Jones a christian?


5cc7f8 No.664807

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.


7cdd00 No.665655

>>664370

>pagan universe

But in that universe it wouldnt be considered pagan.


6a775b No.665727

File: 0ee47af9674bf4a⋯.jpg (378.06 KB, 632x522, 316:261, mfw.jpg)

>>664370

>be a leftist

>be antichristian

>following Nietzsche you say everything heroic, good and noble in western culture is pagan

>read christian literature that is heroic, good and noble

>call it pagan

These people are delusional and blind


9bbe96 No.665785

>>664445

He's an atheist and embraces theotanatology, believing that God literally died on the cross and never resurrected. That's not what I would call "christian"


22aedb No.666061

>>664445

He encourages dialectic materialism, that opposes Christianity, so no.


4442be No.666171

>>664370

>Tolkien

>pagan

Did he just ignore the entire first chapter of the Sil that talk about Eru Illuvetar?


fd4112 No.666254

*sniff*


ca99d8 No.666272

File: bc1821109ce5d74⋯.png (226.7 KB, 332x461, 332:461, 39e06e5b047e8f6d4638e3cada….png)

>>664370

In LOTR it's paganism with a transcendental God. So, it's not a perverted """religion""" like neo-paganism. It's not polytheism but a world with only one God, others being celestial beings like angels or maybe aspects of God like in hinduism.

By doing it, Tolkien only showed the fact christianity can assume other pre- or extra-christian religions without betraying itself.

That's pretty simple


78e561 No.666289

>>665785

He who feeds on collapsed universes seek revenge, Kar-toons, were his people with the new "toon force" the enemies of THE CHRIST, will POUND mere humans!


f5ca42 No.666578

>>664370

Literal retard.

The fact that some people consider him an intellectual perfectly describes post-modernism.




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