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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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7815fc No.662416

It seems that based St. John Chrysostom preached a version of the reprobate doctrine. This is what he says about homosexuals:

>"For I should not only say that you have become a woman, but that you have lost your manhood, and hast neither changed into that nature nor kept that which you had, but you have been a traitor to both of them at once, and deserving both of men and women to be driven out and stoned, as having wronged either sex. " - St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, Homily 4, Romans 1:26-27 (390 A.D.)

He also says earlier that being a faggot is worse than being a murderer. Based.

b05627 No.662420

Nice context. Also that painting makes him look real brainy


5accdf No.662426

As long as you define a reprobate as someone who never died in a state of genuine repentance, then yes. Nobody (among the Catholic or Orthodox) disputes this.

I agree, sodomy is arguably worse than murder, it blights society as an all-encompassing illness, Sodom is a perfect example. They fell as a city, not an individual. Yet, we cannot deny that Christ died for all sins, and those whom are truly repentant can be saved.


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64b3c0 No.662435

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>>662416

People get the false impression that LGBT people were attacked for no reason, but the animosity towards them was owed to them attacking others. The majority of them are histrionic vindictive people who indoctrinate your children with falsehood, penalize people for saying verifiable truth (there are only two genders), infect others, and attack tradition.

They're always going to exist, but if you place their behavior at a high mantle, everything deteriorates because they decry and prohibit anything that isn't pornographic/pleasurable to them. We're now witnessing why it was forbidden previously.

This is a good opportunity for us to archive and explain why after people drop that crap again.


1376df No.662441

In heretical, Andersonite way? No.

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/220116.htm


0de728 No.662451

YouTube embed. Click thumbnail to play.

>>662416

he was also redpilled on the jews, was he the anderson of his time?


a593bd No.662453

The reprobate doctrine, (I think), was preached by Tertullian and a certain extremist sect which I forget the name. It was definitely a heresy and unbiblical. Anyone can turn from sin, even the demon possessed, it's possible, it's just difficult and requires a lot of power and grace.


889430 No.662455

>>662451

>anderson of his time?

No, cause that would have made him the fool of his time.


7815fc No.662525

>>662455

He says faggots should be stoned though, capital punishment, like Anderson. It seems that this simply isn't a reversion to the old Law but instead a historic Christian doctrine. Anderson preaches nothing new in that regard at least.


5accdf No.662547

>>662435

>The majority of them are histrionic vindictive people who indoctrinate your children with falsehood, penalize people for saying verifiable truth (there are only two genders), infect others, and attack tradition

yep. i'm fairly certain when all the church fathers and scripture speak of "effeminacy", they are not merely speaking of homosexuality, but the associated histrionic patterns of behavior


bd82c3 No.662548

>>662416

Do it again, BASED Chrysostom!


7a97bd No.662550

Certain American sects define sodomy as (in addition to homosexuality) also heterosexual oral and anal sex. Comments on this?


5accdf No.662553

>>662550

They're not particularly wrong either, anal sex can definitely be considered gravely disordered, and oral sex (outside of foreplay) is gravely disordered.


1376df No.662562

>>662550

Sodomy IS anal sex. Sodomy proper is anal homosex


385a0f No.662563

>>662548

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How did he keep getting away with it?


ce3fdf No.662567

>>662426

It's like this: murder is usually, universally, a traumatic and undesirable act. Even in secular dictatorships, killing fields and other atrocities are generally conducted out of the way (even if they are known about). It's…embarrassing, for a people to be in such a state that they feel compelled to do this. You can see fervored defense over certain acts, but you very rarely see anyone say it's good ultimately. Pol Pot for example, despicable Communist he was, openly said he was in error with his actions in Cambodia. The natural impulse is that it's to be avoided as a basic preference, unless the aversion to it is actively trained and burned out.

But sex is a dangerous corrosive. Sexual pleasure is not immediately associated with anything bad, because it feels good and doesn't immediately appear harmful unless its an act of rape or pedophilia. So it is promoted, but things get out of hand. Groups with marginalized fetishes lash out first at those who actively assailed them, then at people who were merely uncomfortable with them but tolerated them, and then later their own allies and protectors. We've seen this with reprobates who go after Christianity for well documented battles in the past, but have since taken to attacking elements that did not find as much fault with them over perceived slights. This causes a moral panic as people try to appease them or redouble their efforts to shut them down, overall a stress on society.

Also, while you have that previous issue, this opens the door for risky activities to be normalized. Not just something confined to a bedroom, but issues that plague society at large. In California, in the article >>662435 posted, you can see the fruits of this as STD incidents skyrocket with the normalization of bugchasing. Many of the bugchasers are purely homosexual, but then you have some that are bi and thus have an opportunity to spread diseases to less adventuresome people that don't know any better, and are also more inclined to take risks (non-monogamous relationships) due to modern sexual mores. That's another stress: more people on medication or sick, and a lower quality of life objectively the whole population as medical systems are taxed harder and the risk of catching a persistent disease skyrockets. And early death as a result, and really, isn't that just the same as murdering someone? You deny them their full God-given span all the same.

I could go on, but I don't want to get too wordy. Despite that, I think at the very least you can say, without even looking at a word of scripture that there's some objective truth to the matter of unfettered sex encouraging behaviors that are at the very least a stressor on a population. And in badly developed areas where an authority can play favorites with a social power imbalance, or a lack of basic medical infrastructure which leads to epidemic, it's no different functionally than an invisible killing field. Which is perhaps why God smited those places; unlike a great many other situations, there was nothing left to save there except some divinely unremarkable buildings.


f973d8 No.662586

What is "the reprobate doctrine?"


926e5c No.662592

>>662525

Indeed, this is the way of normality.

>I will not act so disagreeable a part, to my readers as well as myself, as to dwell any longer upon a subject the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature. It will be more eligible to imitate, in this respect, the delicacy of our English law, which treats it in its very indictments as a crime not fit to be named… Which leads me to add a word concerning its punishment.

>This the voice of nature and of reason and the express law of God determined to be capital. Of which we have a signal instance long before the Jewish dispensation by the destruction of two cities by fire from heaven; so that this is a universal, not merely a provincial, precept. And our antient law in some degree imitated this punishment, by commanding such miscreants to be burned to death,(n) though Fleta(o) says they should be buried alive; either of which punishments was indifferently used for this crime among the antient Goths.(p) But now the general punishment of all felonies is the same, namely, by hanging;

— Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England


c63994 No.662616

Who the winnie the pooh knew this?

Both Catholics and Orthodoxes have been saying this shit for the last 2000 years.

You can always repent though.


9b386a No.662632

>>662586

The idea that homosexuals are reprobates - that is, they are fundamentally opposed to God and cannot truly repent.


6c4ca0 No.662634

>>662563

Unfortunately he didn't since he (rightly) accused the empress Eudoxia of being a modern Herodias and condemned the fact that a massive silver statue of her was built in front of the Basilica.

He was arrested and sent into exile in the Caucasus where the journey killed him.


5346f1 No.662762

>>662416

>St. John Chrysostom, Homilies on Romans, Homily 4

The entire homily is so interesting. It gives insight on why Paul wrote the way he did, on the modus operandi of homosexuals we see even today, and how the pleasure they take in their actions is actually a part of their punishment. And more. Highly recommended read; should be required reading for anybody struggling with the sodomite doctrine.


4f52ad No.662975

>>662762

Based St. John Chrysostom!


f973d8 No.663051

>>662632

I don't see how that is taught by the excerpt posted in the OP. Chrysostom never says homosexuals are incapable of ever repenting.


89c6f7 No.663115

>>662416

Chrysostom is my patron saint:

>Although such beasts are unfit for work, they are fit for killing. And this is what happened to the Jews: while they were making themselves unfit for work, they grew fit for slaughter. This is why Christ said: "But as for these my enemies, who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and slay them".

>John Chrysostom, Against the Jews. Homily 1


92fc36 No.665965

File: d0425768c9d4abe⋯.jpg (34.35 KB, 277x450, 277:450, western-siberian-eagle.jpg)

Was he also a kiddie diddler? Who




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