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The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the Lord is the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid?

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88956e No.661020

daily reminder

7111bd No.661141

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>>661020

>hurr durr listen to this random neckbeard falsify history by talking about the Greco-Romans and the Enlightenment as our cultural soul instead of Christianity, even though it's patently false crap to somehow splice together two cultures separated by 1500 years of intervening Judeo-Christianity that Thomas Paine invented to justify a revolution of rich slave-owners against tax collectors, because "Muh Monarchy is bad and evil for cutting into my friends' profits and making laws we can't change."

Literally burn in hell for telling lies.


dd8da9 No.661145

>>661141

>Literally burn in hell for telling lies.

Pray for him and his repentance. Do not wish Hell on anyone.


9a6987 No.661149

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>>661141

F

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holy smokes get smoked, next bait thread pls this ones dead


7111bd No.661151

>>661145

Fair, the extent of your charity and that of fellow posters makes me smile, even when you admonish me. I'm a recent convert, and I'm sure you've seen me around it's probably because my worldliness is still very evident and I think people take notice of that. I'm working on it.

>>661149

Thanks, now here's a fellow memer with the New York attitude I'm used to despite never having lived in New York.


077977 No.661152

>>661020

Nice try wizatheist


022d60 No.661179

File: 7d35db261232a53⋯.jpg (27.2 KB, 320x240, 4:3, BibleKJV.jpg)

>>661141

"Judeo-Christianity" is a fraud, composing of meme-tier values and beliefs like "never hate," "tolerate everything" and "hate the sin, not the sinner" and other things they got from Yoda from Star wars and Gandhi.

Judeo-Christianity is pretty much the Jewish corrupt perversion of what should be Biblical born-again Christianity which is based on actual Scripture. Get some scripture friend.

>>661145

Psalm 109:6-7

Set thou a wicked man over him: and let Satan stand at his right hand.

When he shall be judged, let him be condemned: and let his prayer become sin.


bca549 No.661183

>>661179

"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us".

The prayer of a righteous man can do much, have you ever not known Christ? Have you ever thought your acceptance of Christ is an answer to someone's prayer?

An e-celeb repenting on video would also be a victory for the faith.


022d60 No.661185

>>661183

I'm responding to the second half. I've seen this same conversation proceed again and again based on a false foundation, and I'm redirecting us back to the fundamental truths of the word of God.

I wouldn't rebuke someone for unknowingly repeating a lie, I would attempt to question the false basis of the lie first. Whether that lie is, that "judeo-christian" is legitimate, or that you should never wish hell on anyone— both of which are false, and I've hopefully shown not to be repeated as if they were doctrine.


9ccaf9 No.661234

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>>661020

The term "Judeo-Christian" is perhaps one of the most misleading and nefarious terms invented in the modern age, and it's a rather shame that someone as smart as Peterson falls for that bait. It's no wonder he cozies up with Luciferan Zionists considering how he was fooled, this is what we have for our "luminaries", Christians that cozy up with literal satanists, which shows to you how far we've fallen.

What does Judaism have to do with the bible? Well considering the bible is about Jesus Christ from start to finish, the answer is NOTHING. That term was invented by the (((pharisees))) to lull gullible Christians into believing they are people of belief, or people of the OT and wow do Christians fall for that bait! Even when Christ challenges this belief "If you believed Moses then you would believe me for he wrote about me" (John 5:46) If someone as smart as Peterson falls for it, 95% of Christianity is going to fall for it.

How easy is it to fool a Christian? Just call yourself a "Jew" and we'll believe anything you say. Satan is playing this game on easy mode, for Christians have made it easy for him. Shame on Peterson for going along with him. He takes one step forward and then two steps back. It's just a DISGUSTING term, one might as well say "Satanic-Christian values", it's that kind of stuff that makes me question Peterson's intelligence, or at least his wisdom, as he seems unable to detect treachery.


338448 No.661252

>>661020

>All modern-day law is based on a codex composed by an early-medieval christian emperor

<"Hurr Western civilization is not rooted in christianity guys I swear!"


073e97 No.661255

>>661020

Is this man seriously suggesting that rare instances and by rare I mean one instance in a thousand years of Greek history somewhere contributed more to western civilization than 1000+ years of Christian Europe.


073e97 No.661257

>>661020

Just another typical YouTube atheist. He states that "western civilization is Christian" is an assertion, yet concludes by saying that "Christians who do moral good are just listening to their evolved consciousness" without backing it up, which is an assertion.

There is also an underlying assumption throughout the entire argument that "morality = social liberalism", he advocates that democracy, gender equality etc are morally good but again doesn't justify it with any reasoning, so there are even more assertions.

Another thing he does is that he takes Bible verses out of context as argumentation, for example the use of "blasphemy against the holy spirit" is used as an example to say that Christianity is opposed to free speech, even though this blasphemy is refusing the presence of the holy spirit and rejecting Christ, with the death being spiritual.


d421cc No.661261

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>>661020

>Judeo-Christian


dd8da9 No.661276

>>661185

>you should never wish hell on anyone… which is false.

Yes, their Old Testament has prayers asking for God to torment sinners. Then the New Testament Has Jesus literally telling us to pray for and love our enemies, and that just merely loving our friends and families is easy and not as true and pure of a love. Jesus cries out to The Father "Forgive them, for they know not what they do" for the people, and in fact the whole human race, who are responsible, through their sins for putting him through the most excruciating physical and spiritual torture imaginable. Even the Pharisees, who are literally twisting and perverting his teachings in a much more direct and responsible fashion than the Youtuber, he admonishes and chastises them ruthlessly. He calls them a den of vipers, sons of the Devil, and warns them with woes about the doom to befall them if they do not turn back from their evil ways. But not once does he literally hope or pray for them to go to Hell.

Can you seriously imagine Jesus Christ saying to this ignorant Youtuber "I hope you burn in Hell!" Seriously? The New Covenant holds us to a much higher standard of behavior than the Old. The stories of Saints include a Saint chasing down his robbers because they forgot to steal his staff and them converting because of being moved by his extreme humility. Can you honestly imagine a Saint wishing Hell on someone?

Hating sin and lies is perfectly fine. But too many times I've seen people take Old Testament Psalms out of context to justify and rationalize the hate for the actual sinners that is in their own heart. Literally every time someone wants to hate someone, they always evoke an Old Testament Psalm; never anything from the New Testament; this is telling.

Please think and on these things and I will pray for you.


31b626 No.661281

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>>661141

>random neckbeard falsify history

Cool, thanks, brah, that's all I needed to read to know that I don't even want to read past the first reply


b4a0b0 No.661301

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e84ea5 No.661326

>Judeo-Christian

stopped listening here


fafbd4 No.661380

File: 82100e091d6e4f4⋯.jpg (111.66 KB, 500x632, 125:158, Christ Pantocrator.jpg)

>>661020

Western civilization was built by Christianity upon the greek-roman heritage of the classic world mixed with the german invaders.

Western civilization is greek-roman-barbaric and molded by Christianity. End of story.

Only thing I agree is (((judeo))). There is no such thing as Judeo-Christianity, there is Christianity and there are the jews who tried to kill it from day one.


79fd61 No.661390

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>>661020

>"Judeo Christian" values

When will this meme die, Jesus literally called Jews children of the devil


f71158 No.661413

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>>661179

>>661234

>>661261

>>661326

>>661380

>>661390

Blame Ben Cuckpiro and Jordan Peterstein from the (((alt-right)))


e84ea5 No.661417

>>661413

I think the "judeo-christianity" meme is much older then them


465979 No.661422

stop it with (((their))) "judeo-christian" term. i was disappointed when i even heard a priest say this at a homily, he was also talking about post modernism, must have been listening to jordan peterson.


465979 No.661423

>>661380

> There is no such thing as Judeo-Christianity, there is Christianity and there are the jews who tried to kill it from day one.

straight facts


52ae2c No.661426

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>>661234

>>661261

>>661326

>>661380

>>661390

>>661417

>>661413

>>661422

>>661423

Oh, for crying out loud, i haven't seen this much triggering, not even in SJWs.


faa0ae No.661447

>>661417

Yes, I remembered my Young Earth Creationist days where Ken Ham would use the term.


906650 No.661455

>>661426

>t. Zionist

Repent


52ae2c No.661472

>>661455

>everyone i don't like is a jew/pro-jew

You faggots got your panties in a twist because the title used a word that might be interpreted in a wrong way.

If you believe you have to be some lover of Israel to think turning 50% of the thread into a bitchfest about it is disgraceful and stupid, you are clinically retarded.


4aa524 No.661479

What do you guys think about the slavery part? I never seen anyone explain this part of the bible not even in /christian/. The NT and the OT both have pro-slavery verses. You can even beat the slaves, not to death though. What about the concubine parts of the Bible? I mean, I really wouldn't have a problem following those rules.


4aa524 No.661480

>>661479

Also the Confederate States had the biblical arguments for this.


906650 No.661484

>>661472

Or people are discussing the topic in the OP. Not everybody you don't like is triggered you hypocrite.


022d60 No.661506

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>>661479

>What do you guys think about the slavery part?

The slave trade was largely Jewish/Yiddish (71% of owners at its peak) and the "biblical arguments" were from the Talmud, that's also where the so-called curse of Ham came from: the Talmud.

>I never seen anyone explain this part of the bible not even in /christian/.

Servitude and Talmudic conceptions of slavery are two different things.


022d60 No.661507

>>661276

>Then the New Testament Has Jesus literally telling us to pray for and love our enemies

Note: our enemies. As in those that do us harm.

>But not once does he literally hope or pray for them to go to Hell.

Is the Lord Jesus Christ God? If so, then he is the author of the entire scripture, not just the red letters.

>Can you honestly imagine a Saint wishing Hell on someone?

Revelation 16:6-7

For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.

And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

>too many times I've seen people take Old Testament Psalms

Proverbs 30:5

Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Psalm 119:160

Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Proverbs 13:13

Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed: but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded.

>to justify and rationalize the hate for the actual sinners

I'm not justifying or rationalizing my hatred, I'm telling you openly that God hates them and that's where my loyalty lies. You cannot love the good otherwise. And woe unto them that call evil good and good evil.


67a81f No.661508

File: 3ecb4eee9317ea7⋯.jpg (15.83 KB, 255x201, 85:67, Heretical.jpg)

>""""Judeo-""""Christian


57abd7 No.661510

>>661479

>You can even beat the slaves, not to death though

Then why is it said that if you break one of their teeth you have to free the slavve as a compensation?

Slavery is just a big thing in the mid of the leftists, because they can use it to guilt retarded whites.


ad1dda No.661512

So the ancient greeks and romans had lots of influence on the development of the modern west but the last 2000 years of christian history were completely irrelevant? At last I truly see…


1ec061 No.661523

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>>661020

>Rationality Rules

Who is this channel? Another fedora channel that professing themselves to be wise but really are just fools.

>>661413

>Jordan Peterstein

Who's that guy again? I only heard about that guy in a mister metokur once.


93eb7a No.661531

>>661512

kike on le stick


dd8da9 No.661538

>>661507

>Note: our enemies. As in those that do us harm.

And? Your point?

Yes. He literally tells us to love them. Not condone their actions:

>Luke 6:32-36 King James Version (KJV)

>32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? For sinners also love those that love them.

>33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

>34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? For sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

>35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

>36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

>Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.

There's a BIG difference between accepting the ultimate final judgment of God as righteous, and literally hoping, praying and wishing for sinners to go to Hell even before the final judgment. Until then, they are to be prayed for, and for us to hope for their repentance and conversion.


dd8da9 No.661539

>>661538

(cont'd)

As for the following verses you cite, remember, I said taking the Psalms OUT OF CONTEXT. To further elaborate:

>I'm telling you openly that God hates them and that's where my loyalty lies.

Once again, the Jesus of the New Covenant disagrees with you:

>Mark 2:13-17 King James Version (KJV)

>13 And he went forth again by the sea side; and all the multitude resorted unto him, and he taught them.

>14 And as he passed by, he saw Levi the son of Alphaeus sitting at the receipt of custom, and said unto him, Follow me. And he arose and followed him.

>15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

>16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

>17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

>Romans 5:8 - But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

>2 Peter 3:9 - The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long suffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

>Luke 15:1 - 15:2 - 1 Then drew near unto him all the publicans and sinners for to hear him.

>2 And the Pharisees and scribes murmured, saying, This man receiveth sinners, and eateth with them.

Even in the Old Testament, God chastised and punished the Judeans and Isrealites, but never wiped them out. He forgave King David and put him through earthly trials to cleanse him. He gave Samson the opportunity to redeem himself after foolishly breaking his oath. Even someone as stiff-necked and hard-hearted as Pharaoh in Exodus got literally nine warnings from God, before he poured his wrath out upon the firstborn.

Let's also not forget:

>Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

By your logic, he hates all of us. Yet do I REALLY have to recite John 3:16 for you?

>You cannot love the good otherwise. And woe unto them that call evil good and good evil.

Yes, you cannot love good without hating evil. Sinners (including you and me, whether you like it or not) perform evil. But sinners can still repent of said evil. By your logic, God should've hated St. Paul of Tarsus for the atrocities he had committed while he was named Saul, and wished for his eternal burning in hell. Yet Paul ultimately turned from his wicked ways and is responsible for writing most of the books of the New Testament. If God is indeed as hateful of sinners as you claim, MOST OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WOULD LITERALLY NOT EXIST. Including the parts that drive Liberals mad and spur them to come up with kooky conspiracy theories about Paul twisting God's word or not being a "real" apostle, because Paul, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit condemned the sin of homosexuality and the like in his epistles.

Perhaps the Psalms express God's hatred for UNREPENTANT sinners, as he WILL tell them to depart into the lake of fire at the final judgment. Here's the thing though: you're right, God IS the author of the entire Bible. God is ALSO a perfect judge who can see into the hearts and minds of men and know their innermost essence and being. We are NOT perfect judges. We CANNOT see into the hearts and minds of men as He can. When someone wishes/prays for a sinner to go to Hell, they are essentially taking on the role of God; they are essentially claiming to be a perfect judge and to be able to to see into the hearts and minds of men. Are you a perfect judge and able to see with absolute certainty and clarity into the hearts and minds of men? Are you a man of King David's caliber? I.e. anointed by God and in such a level of a communion with God as to be able to write many of the Psalms, directly inspired by God, as David was? Many of which were very obvious prophecies of the literal coming of the Messiah?

Unless you can lay claim to the above, you must accept that until the final judgment, God clearly loves us sinners enough to die for us. That he tries to save us through evangelization and chastisement, and that in light of this, praying for sinners to go to Hell, rather than praying for their repentance makes no sense and makes one the Unmerciful Servant from the parable outlined in Matthew 18: 21-35.


5a8a0f No.661540

>>661531

TIPS SPAGENHELM


fafbd4 No.661543

>>661426

>receive answers

triggered cucks amirite




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