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>>660541

One should always take films like this with a grain of salt.

Being an educated Roman, Pilate would have been fluent in Latin and at the very least conversant in Greek.

He most likely addressed the crowd in Greek, unless he was working with a translator although there's no mention of such in the scriptures.

He may have actually known some Hebrew, but that's highly unlikely.

>>660541

Most likely Greek, since it was both lingua franca of the region and the language of the roman elite

>>660541

He was prefect of Judaea and held the title almost as long as his predecessor, Valerius Gratus, at about 10 years. He was also an equestrian, so he was probably well educated. It's possible he spoke a number of languages.

>>660553

>It's possible he spoke a number of languages.

Certainly, what I meant what language he spoke when addressing the crowd. Should've been Greek or Hebrew, Latin doesn't fit at all.

>>660541

English

>>660541

>or is this just typical Catholic falsification of history

Pls try and be even more inflammatory next time.

Let me explain it to you why he spoke Latin instead of Greek like he probably did "in real life". It's a movie so it was probably a thematic choice to reinforce the "romaness" of Pilate, not some conspiracy to undermine the authenticity of the gospel account. Plus it's probably easier to replicate classical Latin than Greek. Or to not confuse an audience why a Roman official is speaking greek to a Jewish audience, all subtitled in English.

Just admit you wanted to take a swipe at Catholics. Try and make your bait more subtle next time. Fortunately for all of us an interesting conversation resulted by some miracle.

>>660541

Pilate was an educated Roman elite, he would have been bilingual in Latin and Greek

>>660561

>It's a movie so it was probably a thematic choice to reinforce the "romaness" of Pilate, not some conspiracy to undermine the authenticity of the gospel account.

Ah, bravo. Based, to make a movie meticulously obsessed with historic detail, and then to excuse that one on artistic freedom.

>Plus it's probably easier to replicate classical Latin than Greek.

Or reconstructed Aramaic, the language almost the entire film is in.

Man, I sure wish I had your ability of self-deception.

>Fortunately for all of us an interesting conversation resulted by some miracle.

Really, what did you learn thus far?

>>660575

Just that this film doesn't purport to be historically accurate.

>>660548

>Hebrew

Wasn't the Lingua Franca of Palestine/Israel/Judea/Outremer/Whatever Aramaic at the time?

>>660541

one thing to note though is that the latin used in the movie uses the ecclesiastical pronunciation (with italian accent). The way old latin sounded is estimated by scholars, we can have some hints but it's hard to know how exactly it sounded.

>>660581

>The way old latin sounded is estimated by scholars, we can have some hints but it's hard to know how exactly it sounded.

Well, in the 1st century AD Judea it certainly didn't sound at all.

>>660579

I had completely forgotten about Aramaic, you're right anon.

>>660579

>Wasn't the Lingua Franca of Palestine/Israel/Judea/Outremer/Whatever Aramaic at the time?

Aramaic was only spoken in the Levant, but Greek across the whole Eastern Med.

My guess would be a language the crowd would understand, so probably Greek or Aramaic. People can learn more than two languages, and for an official in his role it would be expected to know the language the people can understand.

>>660541

Scripture doesn't say what language he spoke. There is no reason not to think he spoke Latin to the crowd. It doesn't say otherwise.

Honestly it never occurred to me why he would have used Latin, but thinking about it, would make sense to use Latin if he is pronouncing a sentence.

>>660582

It would have. Roman soldiers would have spoken sermo vulgaris (or perhaps in their case the sermo militaris), and since it was the language of command, Roman officers would have used it too.

>>660569

Why are you so paranoid? There are probably many other minor historical inaccuracies into that movie. This is an interesting topic, interdenominational shitflinging is completely unnecessary on this topic.

Polite sage, as my comment doesn't address the point of the thread.

he spoke english, otherwise how is he quoted in the KJV Bible written by jesus?

t. baptist

>>660662

Godspeed, Stevie!

>>660855

He's probably got Hellenic hand me downs, the one on the left is a Gallic mercenary apparently.

It's typical catholic falsification of history, like the removal of the first fundamental baptists who received the KJV in 40AD from the highest among the apostles, pastor Jim.

>>660598

>>660579

Greek was the administrative language while the various dialects of Aramaic were common vernaculars with varied scripts and orthography.

John's Gospel says the sign placed above Jesus head was written in Hebrew, Latin, and Greek. Hebrew is taken to refer to an Aramaic dialect.

>>660541

The typical behavior, clearly.

Great movie though and probably one of the most amazing depictions of what happened to date.

>>661294

Only thing which comes close is My Last Day which is based on it.

Risen looked cool too.

>>660859

Top kek!

>>660579

the honest to god lingua franca was greek.

the local language in palestine was aramaic.

Pilate would have more likely known greek, though, since he was the dang boss, the local important people knew it because of muh antiochus, and you don't force a roman boss to learn a difficult language for the benefit of a bunch of people who might as well be crucified anyway.

many of the church fathers didn't know aramaic nor hebrew well (semitic languages are difficult for indo-european speakers in general). these guys would have had a reason to know it, and were alot more academic than a man like pilate – from this, I highly doubt pilate knew any local semitic languages (especially not hebrew, which was basically nothing but a liturgical language).

He was most likely fluent in Greek and Latin as well as having a passing knowledge of the local Aramaic language.