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>>652792

gnostic =/= heretic

Anyway I'm happy for you orthobro.

>>652795

>implying Cathars aren't heretics

Bruh, there is a reason why the Catholics crusaded agianst them.

>>652797

>Catholics crusaded agianst them.

Who didn't the Catholics crusade against lol

Went from non-denominational Christian to Christian based gnostic for a while trying to think that it could all work in a logical sort of scientific sense. Then I read up on actual scripture and read the Bible with that same sort of mindset. That's when I realized that all of that Gnostic shit I thought that I knew was bullshit and that Christianity is the logical choice. I've been a Lutheran ever since.

>>652797

>Implying the word gnostic isn't christian in the origin

>Implying all words used by Cathars must now be throw in the trash

>>652803

This is a thread for former, not current gnostics friend. You may be looking for

>>>/christ/

>>652803

Gnosis is a Greek word and it means knowledge. Gnosticism, however, is an incredibly bad heresy denying the nature of Christ AND saying that you basically become God through your own efforts and knowledge. Funnily enough, the arguments of modern day protestants sound horrifyingly similar to old day gnostic arguments against the Church. Really makes you think.

>>652804

The Tradition reject your definition of "gnostic"

>>652806

That's why I don't defend gnosticism, the "ism" gives it explicitly a bad connotation, which an heretic ideology but I defend the word gnosis and the adjective gnostic.

>>652792

Used esoteric hitlerism as a core, cobbling together gnostic, sufi, jungian, and masonic stuff as I saw it fit.

Then, whilst studying the occult, I came across Jay Dyer, and saw how easily it all crumbled when compared to orthodoxy.

It's hard to express, but in retrospect, Christianity is really the only "religion" that is "whole", and seperate from what seems like a copy-paste of the same weirdness (ie, everything else).

Satan plagues me with lies. Telling me the holy spirit is Kundalini or that I am in a simulation. Let me tell you this stuff is dangerous friends. Better that you'd never heard such deceptions. I'm the guy who just offered his testimony. The very night I resolved to turn myself in Satan was quoting Hebrews 6:4 at me and insisting that this was just a nasty trick and I only had enlightenment from him. When I got home that night before I turned myself in, it hit me that this idea was none other than blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. I felt condemned and was sinking into despair. But I found a sermon and the words of the Lord were healing me and I felt strengthened. Eventually I said "Satan, you can accuse me of nothing!' And I felt the Holy Spirit returning to me. If you've given ear to Satan's lies, you will be in a precarious position until the Lord removes them in his own good time. Jesus bless you.

>>654096

Admittedly Jay Dyer is a strange breed. Though he is Orthodox I figure he was probably born into it? He's more like a Calvinist in how he just wants to understand and apprehend things intellectually. I don't typically associate Orthodoxy and apologetics at all. Actually I find apologetics pretty fruitless. Like WLC seems to think its okay to be dishonest in service to God. Bizarre really.

I was a neo-""pagan"" and, God forgive me, a vargtard.

>>654104

It's the Vargtards I feel the most sorry for. They are some of the europeans that I feel like care about the well being of Europe the most (however deluded some may be). But people like them are part of the reason why /Islam/ has a thread dedicated to converting Europeans (as they see vargtards as a sign of the Christian faith wavering in Europe). Glad you saw the light.

>>654101

He was raised Baptist.

I'm thankful for his intellectualisation of Orthodoxy. It for sure appeals, and works for, a different set of people, in bringing them into the fold.

>>652792

Does Christan Esotericism influenced by eastern religions count?

>>652792

Not sure if LaVeyan satanism counts since it's really just fedorafaggotry with edgy symbols and heavy metal, but I used to be a LaVeyan satanist when I was like 16. A lot of it was that I was deeply depressed and thought that God just wanted me to suffer so I was angry at God and satanism was basically 'you're not my dad!' the ideology.

>>654299

Yeah, probably not too much to worry about. Its just a sort of cult to dupe people into getting into satanism without their conscience turning them away as far as I can tell. Anything that blatant is also not especially deceptive. Its things like quantum physics theories and many philosophical schools that we really must be wary of.

>>652792

Got into hermetics, read gnostic gospels, communicated with demons, and then saw Christianity was actually much deeper and slowly weened myself off the other stuff and got into studying the Bible and Satanic conspiracies. I probably broke my brain with all that dark spiritual stuff and I'm not sure how to recover.

>>654299

LaVeyan Satanism is strictly atheistic though. I wouldn't say it's fully "Satanic" in the Christian sense of the word.

>>654360

beg God to remove those deceptions

>>652792

>Any other reformed gnostics here?

Yeah, when I was younger I was pseudo-gnostic.

>How did you find your way out of the gnostic heresy?

Aquinas, William Lane Craig, and Irenaeus. Seriously.

Aquinas' definition of a monotheistic god was solid. Criag's expansion on aquinas and kalam with his mathematical idea that you cannot have an infinite regress was pretty solid too (his focus was on regress in time). Rereading Irenaeus after hearing these set it all up and finished it, since one of his arguments against the gnostics is essentially exposing an infinite regress in the idea of having "gods above god/the demiurge"; this time, the regress was in "layers" of deities – if the demiurge had bythos above him, how can we be sure there is no god above bythos? It's a regress…

in the end, the gnostic cosmology stopped being logical, so I couldn't follow it anymore.

>how you are dealing with dangerous thoughts?

nothing about gnosticism I found appealing is heretical, and everything that is heretical in gnosticism is illogical. I am not tempted by gnosticism, therefore, I do not "deal" with it.

Well i believe in the divinity of Christ and God the father but i used to think why wouldnt God just destroy everything right after the fall? Is eating an apple really that wrong? Does that make it up for the stubbed toe suffering we experience?

Why is this world still here?

Im now a Christian and i got answers.

>>654587

And also the question of imposition takes place then the question of why am i here

God being in everything helped me a bit on the problem of evil

I still wouldn't call God good because he transcends Good and evil.

>>654587

I don't have the answers and I am more satisfied with that than having any answers.

t. Orthodox

>>652797

Catholics even crusaded against Catholics (see razing of city of Zara)

Not an argument

>>654664

Also I think if the mysteries of God could be apprehended with the flawed human mind, they could only ever be profoundly terrifying in their implications.

>>654702

That's what heaven be tho.

>>654756

Yes and it will be witnessed by the pure heart and a supernatural mind

>>654698

t. Butthurt Cather

>>>/christ/

Take your satanic mumbo jumbo elsewhere. This board is for Christians that love life.

Studied hermeticism and other "natural magics." Fell into the initiated/mundanes meme and at the same time attracting people that wanted to groom me into other occult paths. Encountered a demon while falling into a suspiciously spontaneous trance that offered me "to know." I recognized instantly what it was and asked Christ to save me from it. The demon was pissed and started what I can only describe as psychically screaming into my head. I woke up covered in sweat and broke down. Haven't studied since.

>>654764

>This board is for Christians that love life.

Speak for yourself nerd.

What's your opinion on mystics like Jakob Boehme or Emmanuel Swedenborg?

>>657206

Due to being born in protestant countries they lacked the tradition of the Fathers of the Church and the great mystics.

For this reason they explain their experiences in their own words and the result is often confusing, easy to misunderstand and can lead to heterodox beliefs.

I believe Boheme is legit but is to be read with great caution.

Swedenborg is weird, there are parts that seems legit but his depiction of heaven is really too material to be true. Either it is a big allegory or he was being deceived.

>>657192

Unironically, yes. Sucks that it's broken, but parts of it are very nice. Gone camping lately?

>Jakob Boehme or Emmanuel Swedenborg

I'll have to read more about Boehme, but Swedenborg believed he had astrally traveled to other planets and hung out with the inhabitants. "Wiggity whack" doesn't even begin to describe his beliefs.